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Why should we worry about that bibles? How could we prove that the bible are correct?

It's mainly important is thank God and Jesus to give me strength to cope my life, that's all. I beleive me and my family.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Why should we worry about that bibles? How could we prove that the bible are correct?

It's mainly important is thank God and Jesus to give me strength to cope my life, that's all. I beleive me and my family.
I agree. The bible is written by people. Your spirit is within yourself.
 
Bible is a spiritual nourishments, without it, I starve my Spirit. The Bible brought me hunger and thirst. Many time Jesus said, "Have you read"? King david said in many ways, *Thy word is the lamp unto my feet and light unto my path". Without the Bible, we are going our own and live by own belief, and without the Bible. Is more like, God I believe you, but let me do what I want. Its like not want to hear "daddy" telling me what to do. I learned and still learn and even seeing something new, inspite how many times I read. We don't worship the Bible, it is like our medicines, spiritual nourishments and correctness and etc. Without the Bible, is killing or starving the Spirit that is in you, if you receive Christ in you. Sometimes, we don't want to read, bec there are something we don't want to take our responsibilities of any kind of actions.
 
Teresh said:
Of course you don't. I suppose that means you don't accept Torah as the Word of God to be taken 100% literally? Or do you?
Yes. And if you notice, not every passage of Scripture is addressed to or applies to every person. Much of the OT/Torah is written specifically to the Jews, for them. For example, regulations applying to the priestly Levite tribe don't apply to other people.


Oh, no. No one 'forced' anyone to believe in Christianity in Rome. They did, however, kill anyone that didn't. When all of the non-Christians were dead, obviously Christianity would be the dominant religion.
What history books are you reading?

"..The Roman authorities were at first indifferent to the new religion, yet very soon, incited also by the people showed themselves hostile to it, because the Christians refused to worship the ancient pagan deities of Rome, as well as the emperor. ..

The Christian religion was proclaimed "strana et illicita - strange and unlawful" (Senatorial decree of the year 35); "exitialis - deadly"(Tacitus); "prava et immodica - wicked and unbridled" (Plinius); "nova et malefica - new and harmful" (Svetonius); "tenebrosa et lucifuga - mysterious and opposed to light" (from "Octavius" by Minucius); "detestabilis- hateful" (Tacitus); therefore it was outlawed and persecuted, because it was considered the most dangerous enemy of the power of Rome, which was based upon the ancient national religion and on the emperor's worship.

The first three centuries constitute the age of Martyrs, which ended in 313 with the edict of Milan, by which the emperors Constantine and Licinius gave freedom to the Church. ..
http://www.catacombe.roma.it/en/persecuzioni.html"

"The Roman Persecution of Christians
By Neil Manzullo February 8th , 2000 Persuasive Writing

It is a time of trouble in the Roman world. .. In the midst of this sea of chaos, a religion springs forth which is virulently, or so it seems, against the things which Rome has always stood for. .. This religion is Christianity. The Romans attempt to halt its rapid insinuation of itself among the common people by persecution and oppression. .. The only chance of slowing its rapid growth lies in persecution, which the Romans readily apply. Despite the persecution, Christianity flourishes.

This is the background of the Roman persecution of Christians. From the perspective of a typical Roman emperor, Christianity threatened to lay waste to traditional Roman values and practices, to sabotage the very basis for Roman power, to pervert what was Rome. Because of this, the Romans tried to halt its spread by persecuting Christians. They justified their persecution by accusing Christians of breaking the peace of the gods, corrupting public morals, not following their ancestors, and many other things. Even though this persecution was legal and, from the perspective of a typical Roman official, necessary to the survival of the Roman state, it was completely immoral.

The Roman view of Christians from the outset was not good. Suetonius, a famous Roman historian, called Christians "a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief" (Suetonius, p. 221). His contemporaries denounced it as superstitio parva (‘perverse irrational religious awe'), immodica (‘immoderate'), nova (‘new'), malefica (‘harmful'), among many other accusations.

There were three basic periods of the persecution. The first was from the death of Christ until right before the Great Fire of 64 A.D., which Nero falsely blamed Christians for. However, this first persecution "was a mere afterthought, and did not result in any general proscription" (Cary and Scullard, p. 487). The second period lasted from the end of the first until around 250 A.D., and the final one spanned the years from 250/251, the persecution under Decius, until 313. Up until 250, the persecution was sporadic and localized. However, from 250-251 the Emperor Decius instituted what Michael Grant, an eminent classical historian, calls a "systematic persecution of the Christians" (Grant, p. 157).

... The Emperor Valerian instituted the state-sponsored persecution, which lasted for about three years, from 257-259. The final, and longest, state-sponsored persecution had its inception under Emperor Diocletian, and it lasted, in the western portion of the empire, for around two years, 303-305, and around eight years in the eastern portion, 303-311. Concerning this persecution, Michael Grant remarks: "As never before, the motive of the Great Persecution which began in 303 was the total extirpation of Christianity: it was a struggle to the death between the old and new orders" (Grant, p. 208). Eusebius, a famous Church historian and eyewitness to the persecution of Diocletian, speaks about it thus when he writes:

'This was the nineteenth year of the reign of Diocletian in Dystrus [March] when the feast of the Saviour's passion was near at hand, and royal edicts were published everywhere, commanding that the churches [should] be razed to the ground, the scriptures destroyed by fire, those who held positions of honor degraded, and the household servants, if they persisted in the Christian profession, be deprived of their liberty.

And such was the first decree against us. But issuing [other] decrees not long after, the Emperor commanded that all the rulers of the churches in every place should be first put in prison and afterwards compelled by every device to offer sacrifice. (Medieval Sourcebook: Diocletian: Edicts Against The Christians)'



But in 250 the precarious safeguards of the Christians were swept away by the emperor Decius. .. Decius expressly commanded all Christians to abjure their faith and to take part in the pagan worship of the Empire...
http://patriot.net/~carey/afa/latinclub/persecution.htm"

"The Early Christians of Rome

Who were the early Roman Christians? Most of them came from the large community of about 50,000 Jewish merchants and slaves who had strong ties to their mother city of Jerusalem. Even before Peter and Paul arrived in Rome, Jewish-Christians, clearly identified as followers of Jesus Christ, were found among the city's Jews. Indeed, these were the founders of the church at Rome; the apostles were among its foundation stones.

By the time of the fire Rome's Jewish-Christians had become alienated from the larger Jewish community and were beginning to separate from it. Where they lived and met was well known. The authorities, following the usual procedure, seized some of them, brought them to the Prefecture and forced them by torture to give the names of others.

"First, Nero had some of the members of this sect arrested. Then, on their information, large numbers were condemned -- not so much for arson, but for their hatred of the human race. Their deaths were made a farce." (Tacitus)

Mass Executions

Instead of executing the Christians immediately at the usual place, Nero executed them publicly in his gardens nearby and in the circus. "Mockery of every sort accompanied their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired." (Tacitus)
http://www.cptryon.org/compassion/sum00/martyrs3.html"
 
Teresh said:
Quote: Originally Posted by hottiedeafboi
God called christians to share the gospel, blessed is he or she who plant seeds and /or water.

Indeed. And 2000 years later you've become what you opposed. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others, eh, Napoleon?
What does the Animal Farm quote have to do with the above statement?
 
There are some Christians (I don't think you are one, Reba) who in my opinion seem to not want anybody that rubs them the wrong way to be saved, who cannot contemplate the idea of their enemies going to Heaven, and so they just toss out condemnation.

Not sure if that's where Teresh was going, but that's an attitude that's really bothered me when I see it. :(
 
Rose Immortal said:
There are some Christians (I don't think you are one, Reba) who in my opinion seem to not want anybody that rubs them the wrong way to be saved, who cannot contemplate the idea of their enemies going to Heaven, and so they just toss out condemnation.

Not sure if that's where Teresh was going, but that's an attitude that's really bothered me when I see it. :(

I know what you mean, honey. I can see that myself, too. But, I didn't want to press thus further since I've already had my share somewhere. Jesus knows WHERE every individual came from. FYI, Jesus IS in this room. :)
 
Rose Immortal said:
There are some Christians (I don't think you are one, Reba) who in my opinion seem to not want anybody that rubs them the wrong way to be saved, who cannot contemplate the idea of their enemies going to Heaven, and so they just toss out condemnation.
The more, the merrier in Heaven, that's what I say! :P

Besides, once we're in Heaven, we won't be "enemies"!
 
Reba said:
Yes. And if you notice, not every passage of Scripture is addressed to or applies to every person. Much of the OT/Torah is written specifically to the Jews, for them. For example, regulations applying to the priestly Levite tribe don't apply to other people.

So which is it? Is it the literal Word of God or isn't it? If say it is, and don't follow it, you are a hypocrite. If you say it isn't, then why are you citing it all the time? You obviously don't care what it says if you ignore the text when it's convenient to you.
 
Do I need to post the pic of the bible with the warning label on it?
 
No, don't need offensive word against The Bible. If you have family letter or friends, then is it appropriate label warning sign on the letter?
 
Teresh said:
So which is it? Is it the literal Word of God or isn't it? If say it is, and don't follow it, you are a hypocrite. If you say it isn't, then why are you citing it all the time? You obviously don't care what it says if you ignore the text when it's convenient to you.
You don't understand?

I'll try again.

Not all passages of Scripture apply to all people.

If the passage is about the ceremonial rules that are to be followed by Levitical priests, then obviously I don't follow that because I'm not a Levitical priest.

If the passage is about God commanding Moses to do certain things, obviously I don't follow those orders because I'm not Moses.

When God told the Israelites how to construct the Tabernacle in the desert, His instructions were for them only in that place and time. I'm not an Israelite, I'm not in the desert, and God no longer uses a tabernacle of cloth and wood. So I don't follow those instructions.

There are other passages that pertain to all people, for all times. Those I strive to obey. I am human and weak, so I do fail. But just because I fail doesn't make God's Word less authoritative or true.

God knows that we are human sinners, and that we often fail as we try to obey. That is why He provides forgiveness to us in our weakness, and He picks us up and encourages us to continue on. The important thing is to continue daily in the right direction, seeking and following His will.
 
The bible is written by people.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! People are sinful! Why is it that the authors/translators of the Bible are suddenly not sinful b/c they wrote the Bible? If the Bible was claimed to have been written by Jesus HIMSELF, then yeah......but it was written by MORTAL MEN WHO ARE SINFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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hootster said:
Well, you can show it whatever you want, but that won't change us who we believe. I'm glad and thanks to the Gracious Lord for leading men to hide a safe place. Bec without them, then no hope for anyone. I know so many got the wrong idea what the Bible is and missing the point for the purpose of the Bible. The Word of God, is all about histories and show us what the Lord says to many prophets, religious leaders, and also the disciples what happening to the church and witnesses of Jesus what happen and what Jesus says, and also, about who we are, what God expect of us and there's so much in them.
 
Deafdyke, you missing the point here.
No, I am not! How come you and Reba haven't come back with a response? Is it b/c you don't know how to respond?
Hey, they believed the earth was flat!
 
Reba said:
Not all passages of Scripture apply to all people.

Not saying that it was, just confirming that you ignore the parts of scripture that are inconvenient to you, while claiming that the text is to be taken literally. You've stated that you're a hypocrite. That's good. Are you going to acknowledge it, or better yet, correct it?
 
Teresh said:
Not saying that it was, just confirming that you ignore the parts of scripture that are inconvenient to you, while claiming that the text is to be taken literally. You've stated that you're a hypocrite. That's good. Are you going to acknowledge it, or better yet, correct it?

See the bold above ? Question for you : How come you always call a true-believer/Christian a hypocrite when they believe in Jesus who is God ? You are talkin' about YOURSELF who is a hypocrite when statin' that to someone else. It's all about you, not them.
I am so sure that you would call me a hypocrite, too just because I believe in Jesus who is God, the God-Speakin' Word. Well, don't call Jesus a hypocrite either when someone accept Him as personal Saviour.
 
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