When expecting a child, would you want it to be deaf?

Cloggy said:
Ahh, now we are getting somewherre....

I never said she was cured. I said that she can hear! Can you FEEL the difference?
She's not cured. She was born deaf. She can hear using CI.... She can communicate with me with a brick wall in between us.... because she can hear. Oh - did I say she was not cured :P

Now, do you have a question for me?
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WHY CANT YOU USE SIGN LANGUAGE?? U CAN EVEN USE THEM THROUGH THE THICK GLASS WALL WHERE U CANT HEAR.. BUT U CAN STILL COMMUINCATE THRU IT CUZ U CAN SEE IT! THERE ARE SOME TIME WHEN MY BROTHER SAID GEE UR LUCKY U CAN TALK THRU TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING CUZ I HAVE A HARD TIME TO HEAR OVER SOMETHING THAT BARRIER US!
 
Cloggy said:
She can communicate with me with a brick wall in between us.... because she can hear.

Now, do you have a question for me?
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Why is talking through a brick wall better than signing to someone face to face?

I can talk to you on the computer and I have no idea where you are.
 
jshumko said:
Why is talking through a brick wall better than signing to someone face to face?

I can talk to you on the computer and I have no idea where you are.
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EXACTLY!! GUESS THEY ARE SIGN PHOBIAS? HEHE..
 
I know that Cloggy is trying to make his point about how great it is to hear, and I do understand his passion because there are many good reasons for being able to hear.

On the other hand, it's really something when you can yell at your kids while they are in the other room (sorry, I had a flashback).

When it comes to communicating with someone, there are many ways to do that in this modern world, and unfortunately we seem to be getting further away from doing it face to face. In some ways it's miraculous that we can communicate with people all over the world.

But being forced to communicate by signing and face to face because a person cannot hear can be a miracle as well. Having to sign to my husband has made me more patient when I communicate with him than when I communicate with other certain people. For me, this is a very good thing.
 
I feel like I need to explain my previous post a little better. When my husband and I were married, I knew very little Sign Language so when we argued, I was forced to do it very slowly and often gave up. It made me realize that my relationship with him was more important than trying to make my point. I'm sure this would not have happened if he could hear.

Now I know more signs and still am slow at it, but it's not forced anymore. We rarely argue and we have a terrific relationship.

Signing is fun and it keeps getting more fun the more I learn. If my hands weren't so old and stiff, I'd go back to school and become an interpreter.
 
It's a GREAT idea to try to make dhh kids assimulate into the hearing world.
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No it's not. It's a great idear to give dhh kids access to the hearing world, but expecting them to assimulate (totally completely 100% fit in with the hearing world) is NOT good. Talk to folks who have done that, and the emotional damage they deal with! :(
 
deafdyke said:
Well there are folks who are functionally hearing with CI, but the majority of folks with CI are functionally hoh! And Cloggy, does your daughter have signficent speech and language delays?
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Yes. She hasn't heared anything for 1-1/2 years, so she started from scratch. But she's catching up, she develops speech like any child that has been born hearing. Actually, a bit quicker than that because of her age and use of sign.
 
LisaMarie said:
WHY CANT YOU USE SIGN LANGUAGE?? U CAN EVEN USE THEM THROUGH THE THICK GLASS WALL WHERE U CANT HEAR.. BUT U CAN STILL COMMUINCATE THRU IT CUZ U CAN SEE IT! THERE ARE SOME TIME WHEN MY BROTHER SAID GEE UR LUCKY U CAN TALK THRU TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING CUZ I HAVE A HARD TIME TO HEAR OVER SOMETHING THAT BARRIER US!
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Stop shouting! - I can hear!!

We use sign!
 
jshumko said:
Why is talking through a brick wall better than signing to someone face to face?
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Where did I say this? Why do you have to put it into better/worse categories.

Talking without being able to see someone can be very helpful. Talking to someone with a box in your hands can be very helpful. Signing through a glass-soundproof wall can be very helpful. My daughter can do all of this..... because she has CI, and she can sign.
 
Cloggy said:
Does shouting help you prove your point?
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WHOA!!! WHY ARE U SO UPSETTING? I M NOT SHOUTING! I LIKE TO TYPE IN CAPS. IF U DONT LIKE THE WAY I TYPE THEN DEAL WITH IT!
 
CURED??? Ha ha..
Made me lauff'n so hard.. what r u saying...

I'm thinking, What r u thinking about "Bonic Woman as same Six Million Man" were implanted by machine their parts..

Ah.. you're putting your daughter implanted CI...
How's interesting... Is that Bonic Woman (your daughter) can hear 1k miles away enough to miracle!? *rolls*
 
Cloggy said:
Don't forget Deaf-millitants that preach against CI and are on a crusade to "help" innocent children.
Some of my best reasons to go for CI is due to the reaction of people that insulted me for even contemplating on the thought of giving the possibility to hear to my child.
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I am one of the deaf, and I don't appreciated you labeling me one of the "deaf militants" just because I care about those children who doesn't have a clue what's been done to their brain behind their ears, I think it is total selfish to have parents make choices to go ahead with surgeries that are not requirements or needed for a life threatening situation, Just because parents want their children to hear, that make it sounds like they're not fully accepting that their children were born deaf. That's how I feel and that's how I see it. You can disagree with me all you want, but it sounds like it's what the parents wants, But, ever thought about what does the children want? Do they have a choice? No, they don't have a choice because they are too young to make a choice, but it's their ears, it's their brains, that's why I feel bad for children out there that doesn't have a choice, doesn't have a voice in this matter. :(
 
Cheri said:
I am one of the deaf, and I don't appreciated you labeling me one of the "deaf militants" just because I care about those children who doesn't have a clue what's been done to their brain behind their ears, I think it is total selfish to have parents make choices to go ahead with surgeries that are not requirements or needed for a life threatening situation, Just because parents want their children to hear, that make it sounds like they're not fully accepting that their children were born deaf. That's how I feel and that's how I see it. You can disagree with me all you want, but it sounds like it's what the parents wants, But, ever thought about what does the children want? Do they have a choice? No, they don't have a choice because they are too young to make a choice, but it's their ears, it's their brains, that's why I feel bad for children out there that doesn't have a choice, doesn't have a voice in this matter. :(
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SIGH.. i really do agree with you completely! They with CI ppl think we are not successful in our life and they think we are not happy! They said that we the deaf people wont admit that we are having a hard time in hearing world!! :nono: :nono: Obviously they are the one who have a hard time because they ASSUME it and SAY IT! I told them that im HAPPY (Cloggy now im SHOUT!) with my life even i dont have a CI in me! I'm perfectly FINE and HAPPY (Cloggy now im shouting AGAINNNNNNNN) GETTTT ITTTT?? WE ARE FINEEEEEEEE!!!!! if u dont like it GET A GRIP!
 
Cheri said:
No, they don't have a choice because they are too young to make a choice, but it's their ears, it's their brains, that's why I feel bad for children out there that doesn't have a choice, doesn't have a voice in this matter. :(
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I can understand your comment about ears but er...what are you referring to when you say brains? Do you know that a CI doesn't touch any part of the brain? Zitch, zero, nada! Brain surgery it ain't! Now, if you meant the skull for the implant to sit in the slight depression to secure it well that is a different thing all together. Yes, that part is true.

Just clarifying....
 
Question: If a child chooses implantation with a CI at a later date, what does it take to help them get the same benefit as a child who was implanted with one as, say, a toddler?
 
Cloggy, when I first saw your question you have on this thread I was like eh, what kind of question is that?

When I was pregnant with my two children I didn't think about whether they were going to be deaf or hearing. All I wanted was for them to be healthy whether hearing or deaf. Both of them are hearing but if they were deaf I would accept them and I wouldn't consider not even for a second to have them implanted with a CI.
 
Cloggy said:
You mean - the person can WALK!
You mean - the person can SEE!


Well, I'm not a 100% hearing either... But I can hear...

But I appreciate you describing your definition of hearing. What do you think about my definition?
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Yes, I mean the person can walk.. with a DEVICE.. still impaired

Yes, I mean the person can see... with the DEVICE.. still impaired

I can hear with hearing aids and I still consider myself Hearing Impaired.. doesn't mean just because you're not 100% hearing you can hear.. You was told by a dr when your child was born.. that she's deaf. were you born deaf? sick at a young age that caused your deafness? I didn't think so. Your child was born deaf and is deaf now even with a CI.. either way.. deaf or hard of hearing.. its still considered hearing impaired..
 
Cloggy, even thou she CAN physically hear with the CI it doesn't mean that she hears like a hearing person. Even I don't, and I've got a conductive loss. The CI does not make her hearing.....It's like the way a walker doesn't enable someone with an orthapedic or physcial problem to experiance walking the way, someone without a physical problem experiances walking.
 
Originally Posted by Cloggy
Don't forget Deaf-millitants that preach against CI and are on a crusade to "help" innocent children.
Some of my best reasons to go for CI is due to the reaction of people that insulted me for even contemplating on the thought of giving the possibility to hear to my child.
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I see none here who preach against CI but disagree to implant babies to toddlers, that´s all what we say.

I rather to wear HA on my child with risk-free first then CI later only if my child wants it. I respect you as parents who have different opinion than me over implant babies to toddlers but you has no reason to label us "deaf militants" because we have different opinions as you and also because we are scare to get babies to toddlers to head surgery. It would be different story if there´re emergencies to save the life but CI is not belong to kind of emergencies, that´swhy I see no reason to get my babies to toddlers to head surgery when I know it´s not emergency.
 
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