When expecting a child, would you want it to be deaf?

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, I mean the person can walk.. with a DEVICE.. still impaired

Yes, I mean the person can see... with the DEVICE.. still impaired

I can hear with hearing aids and I still consider myself Hearing Impaired.. doesn't mean just because you're not 100% hearing you can hear.. You was told by a dr when your child was born.. that she's deaf. were you born deaf? sick at a young age that caused your deafness? I didn't think so. Your child was born deaf and is deaf now even with a CI.. either way.. deaf or hard of hearing.. its still considered hearing impaired..

 

[sr171soars]

Question: If a child chooses implantation with a CI at a later date, what does it take to help them get the same benefit as a child who was implanted with one as, say, a toddler?

Assuming that the child older than 7 years old past the point where normal hearing/speech development occurs best and earlier the better. Then, they most likely will never really fully develop the verbal language abilities of those who started earlier. Of course, the older they are, the worst the situation gets. So, later in life especially for one who never heard, then the odds are extremely slim indeed. The best of all worlds is doing a CI when very young and the brain can take off with it and develop all the synaptics connections to make best use of it. Later in life, it just doesn't happen as well and the "wiring" has to use other paths which are not always the best ones.

This is why those who do best are those with a CI since very young, those late deafened, and those who had enough hearing using a HA and developed really good verbal language. All the others is more the roll of a dice.

 

[Cheri]

I see none here who preach against CI but disagree to implant babies to toddlers, that´s all what we say.

That's correct, while adults can make their own decisions according to their specific life circumstances, children cannot. I don't see that being fair because it's their life.

we have different opinions as you and also because we are scare to get babies to toddlers to head surgery. It would be different story if there´re emergencies to save the life but CI is not belong to kind of emergencies, that´swhy I see no reason to get my babies to toddlers to head surgery when I know it´s not emergency.

That's correct, That is exactly how I feel too and Deafness is not life-threatening either. I believe that surgery should be reserved for life-threatening situations not simple situation like CI "wanna hear". I don't mind if adults go under a knife and get a CI, that's their choice, their life. But children don't have a choice in this matter.

 

[CutePommie]

It Seem to me that Cloggy is being force his daughter to have can be hear like as hearing ... and have to her to speak like hearing .. sigh very cruel because his daughter will getting confuse for what she is ... !!


I called it as Communicate ABUSE !!

 

[highlands]

Assuming that the child older than 7 years old past the point where normal hearing/speech development occurs best and earlier the better. Then, they most likely will never really fully develop the verbal language abilities of those who started earlier. Of course, the older they are, the worst the situation gets. So, later in life especially for one who never heard, then the odds are extremely slim indeed. The best of all worlds is doing a CI when very young and the brain can take off with it and develop all the synaptics connections to make best use of it. Later in life, it just doesn't happen as well and the "wiring" has to use other paths which are not always the best ones.

This is why those who do best are those with a CI since very young, those late deafened, and those who had enough hearing using a HA and developed really good verbal language. All the others is more the roll of a dice.

I'm with you,sr171soars
I'll those who chose CIs
CIs are not very different from HAs when regarding their benefits.

 

[vrsterp]

I know a deaf couple who despised hearing people so much, they didn't want to have kids for fear that they'd be hearing. Luckily when they did, he was born deaf. I'd pity that child had he been born hearing.

There are plenty of deaf people who hope their child is deaf like themselves. It's not rude, it's not offensive, it's not anything. Any parent is going to hope their child is like themselves (assuming it's not something debilitating.)
hearing, deaf, dark hair, light hair, whatever.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Any parent is going to hope their child is like themselves (assuming it's not something debilitating.)
hearing, deaf, dark hair, light hair, whatever.

I have to admit I hope my child will have some similar interests to mine, so that we can really relate to each other well. While my parents are smart people, I tended to have interests quite different from theirs, so I couldn't always talk to them about stuff I was into, and that was kind of isolating.

But I do think you make a good point that this is universal to parents. I almost think it's instinctive.

 

[Cloggy]

I am one of the deaf, and I don't appreciated you labeling me one of the "deaf militants" just because I...........

You were definitely not in my mind when I wrote that...

 

[Cloggy]

Question: If a child chooses implantation with a CI at a later date, what does it take to help them get the same benefit as a child who was implanted with one as, say, a toddler?

Languages are learned / synapses are formed best before the age of (about) 6. This cannot be done later. Also, the child needs the luck that the auditory nerve is still in a good state. - Amongst things...

 

[Cloggy]

Cloggy, when I first saw your question you have on this thread I was like eh, what kind of question is that?

When I was pregnant with my two children I didn't think about whether they were going to be deaf or hearing. All I wanted was for them to be healthy whether hearing or deaf. Both of them are hearing but if they were deaf I would accept them and I wouldn't consider not even for a second to have them implanted with a CI.

Good decision.

 

[Cloggy]

Cloggy, even thou she CAN physically hear with the CI it doesn't mean that she hears like a hearing person. Even I don't, and I've got a conductive loss. The CI does not make her hearing.....It's like the way a walker doesn't enable someone with an orthapedic or physcial problem to experiance walking the way, someone without a physical problem experiances walking.

Go back to my definition... and we'll talk after that..

 

[Cloggy]

It Seem to me that Cloggy is being force his daughter to have can be hear like as hearing ... and have to her to speak like hearing .. sigh very cruel because his daughter will getting confuse for what she is ... !!


I called it as Communicate ABUSE !!

Interesting statement for someone who has not heared my daughter speak, and has not seen her sign....
Believe me.... she's not confused.

 

[Cloggy]

I know a deaf couple who despised hearing people so much, they didn't want to have kids for fear that they'd be hearing. Luckily when they did, he was born deaf. I'd pity that child had he been born hearing.

There are plenty of deaf people who hope their child is deaf like themselves. It's not rude, it's not offensive, it's not anything. Any parent is going to hope their child is like themselves (assuming it's not something debilitating.)
hearing, deaf, dark hair, light hair, whatever.

Agree

 

[Angel]

WHOA! dont feel sorry for us!!! we turned out OK! even some of us turned out BETTEr than hearing people!

It doesnt matter if the baby is deaf or not. as long they are healthy! Right??

Umm sweetie, I'm deaf too ....


Right as long they're heathly!

 

[Angel]

Been there. Done. One of my kid has learning disablitiy and it hurts me as hell that he will never get a good pay job, never get to go to college so don't tell me I want a deaf child cuz it goes same for them. Too many deafies are living in poverty, not able to find a good pay job, not able to have many great things alike normal people do ( listen to music, sound of life). I have seen too much that I hate the way of their lives. Too many of them are still living on government's money, too many them depend on hearings to do interptering, too many of them take advantage of others. Too many problems among us. I am so sick of it. U think I want my deaf child grow up in that enivroment. No way.

I didn't say you should have a deaf child, I asked what wrong with having a deaf child when you said you don't want one, and beside not every deaf person is under the government's money and how do you really know they won't be able to attend college, have a good job or do the same as hearing people do?....


btw, Please do not post your message in my quote cause it's hard to read your message and I'm unable to quote your message when it post in one quote...

Also I think it is selfish for any of deafies wanna deaf children. Like wish to put mental challenge on this child. LIke wish to put eye impaired on this child. Like wish to put physical challenge on this child. And so on. It is so silly for any of them to say I want or wish to have a deaf child. There is nothing wrong having a deaf child. It is different when u say u wish to have a deaf child and u happen to have a deaf child.

Actually it goes both ways hon, It is selfish to wish for both deaf or hearing child...

It seem people have a problem of other deaf parents wishing for a deaf child but others don't see it as a problem for parents wishing for a hearing child...

I don't feel sorry for deaf children cuz they are no different from me when I was a child.

No child is the same as others hon...

children are innocent? I don't think so.

I'm curious to know why you don't feel children are not innocents?...

 

[vrsterp]

On the CI issue, given my situation, I'm a coda with a large deaf family, i'm also an interpreter. If I had a deaf child it wouldn't be a big deal for me. I don't agree with CIs when it's not the child's choice.

However, playing devil's advocate, I do kind of understand how a set of hearing parents without a single clue as to anything about deafness can think "Wow, i'm told if I do this, my child will be 'normal'!"

I try to look at it from a different perspective. I, personally, don't know anyone who is blind. Therefore, I don't have a lot of experience with blindness. I think: If my child was born blind and his/her doctor tells me "We can do some surgery and 'fix' it, and he'll be able to see." I'm probably going to do it. I don't know any better.

These parents are told "We can do some surgery and he'll be able to hear." Well gee! To them, that sounds great!

 

[jazzy]

I didn't say you should have a deaf child, I asked what wrong with having a deaf child when you said you don't want one, and beside not every deaf person is under the government's money and how do you really know they won't be able to attend college, have a good job or do the same as hearing people do?....


btw, Please do not post your message in my quote cause it's hard to read your message and I'm unable to quote your message when it post in one quote...






Actually it goes both ways hon, It is selfish to wish for both deaf or hearing child...

It seem people have a problem of other deaf parents wishing for a deaf child but others don't see it as a problem for parents wishing for a hearing child...




No child is the same as others hon...




I'm curious to know why you don't feel children are not innocents?...

I am computer illerate so forgive me I do not know how to separate the quote.

for your information, not many friends of mine are working, most of them are staying home and collect SSDI or SSI. Many of them are not able to go to college because of their lacking of understanding in english language. Remember many of them, their reading level are in 4 or 5 th grade level. Oh I know couple deafies who had higher degree than me are collecting SSDI. They just don't want to work.

So u saying it is selfish for any parents who to wish for healthy child? Deaf is considering not healthy.

Do I not feel children are not innocent? I remember my own childhood and others, we were all not so innocent.

No child is the same as others? How do u explain this to me? We all are people with many kind of shapes with same kind of struggle. U want to feel sorry for them, go ahead but I remmy my own childhood, I hate those people who felt sorry for me. They tend to give me stuffs because they felt bad for me. Then when I had my own children, they felt sorry for them because they had deaf mother so they give them stuffs too. What is hell wrong with those people?

Here is one exapmle I have to deal with people alot. This morning during my mail route, this man walked and stopped me while I delivered the mails in the mail box. He asked me something , I stopped him and told him I told him I am deaf. He was alike surprised and asked me "what happened to me?" I told him "I don't know" cuz I don't feel alike to explain deep on this stuff. Then he asked me " u grow up deaf?" I told him "yes". U know what he gave me a sympathy look, I do not need that. I told him I am fine and I am strong, don't feel bad for me. Then he said " God bless you" and walked away.

U go ahead feel sorry for any deaf children. Maybe u should feel sorry for some deaf children of deaf parents cuz I knew some of them were living in poverty. It goes same with hearing children.

 

[Rose Immortal]

I am computer illerate so forgive me I do not know how to separate the quote.

Gonna go :topic: and play tech support here...

The quote tags must look like this, but without a space: [ quote] text [ /quote], which has this result:

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The first tag opens it, and the second tag (with the slash) closes a quote. Treat those like regular " " marks as you type--anything between them will appear as a quote. The computer does provide a few for you if you reply to someone else's post, though, so make sure to preview first while you're experimenting with it, to know if you're getting the effect you want.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Many of them are not able to go to college because of their lacking of understanding in english language. Remember many of them, their reading level are in 4 or 5 th grade level.

Literacy is a big concern I would have if I had a deaf child. I actually think that literacy is even more important than speech because if you do not speak but you can write fluent English, you'll get your point across very nicely in situations where an interpreter isn't available. If I could be assured that my child would become fully literate, hopefully up to the college level (and beyond if he/she wants an advanced degree), that would calm a lot of fears I might have. The good thing is, I do know there are methods out there that could help like Cued Speech. But does anyone know, does the record of success differ for those children who did or did not have any residual hearing (by means of CI or other)?

I ask because I don't have any idea, not for anybody to jump all over me, please.

 

[CutePommie]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jazzy
Many of them are not able to go to college because of their lacking of understanding in english language. Remember many of them, their reading level are in 4 or 5 th grade level.

excuse me jeez!!! they can go college to learn the understanding of english language or reading levels... never to say they cant go college because their lacking in english or their reading levels .. .. oh please !! all of you must to stop ..... you all should to respectable for them to want or not to want to do ... thank you ..