When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all.

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Cheri said:
I'm most certainly you are. Everyone wants best for their children, What is best anyways? We think we know what's best for our children, but we don't always make the right decision. I am a parent myself, Do I know I've made the best choice for my children? I dunno, at least I gave them life, I love them unconditional, that's what's most important. ;)
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Geeze sis, you're making me cry now....
 
2kids1hoh,

One more thing I don't know where my manners are, I forgot to thanked you for understanding my story and where I'm coming from. :hug:

deaflinuxgeek,

I didn't know you shared the same experienced as my sister and I did. My heart goes out to you. :hug:

^Angel^ said:
Geeze sis, you're making me cry now....
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Really? I'm sorry. :hug:
 
deaflinuxgeek said:
Cheri I share that same experience and it breaks my heart to have it.

Deaflinuxgeek
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I am sorry you had to go through that too. I want to believe that most parents are not like that. All the parents I have come across in the last few months are nothing like that. Please don't assume all hearing parents feel the same way your mothers did about you. I want to speak for all the hearing parents on this site, and say that none of us would ever treat our children the way you were treated.
 
Cheri said:
Do you want to hear a true story? My mom was one of those hearing people just don't have any unconditional love to give from the day she recovered by many doctors, that my sister and I were losing our hearing and it was very possible we would become deaf that was at the age of five. My mother took it so hard, harder enough to wanted to leave us behind and walk away from us forever. I've heard so much stories by family relatives and my mom herself, she never accepted us the way we were from that day forward. She've always been so embarrased of us, she would tell her co-workers that she have two daughters at home that aren't her daughters, that her daughters were switched at birth. She have never been to any of my school activities nor took us anywhere for a ride with her. She didn't want me having deaf friends either, that was part of her house rules.

Life with her was so hard, that I couldn't possible breathe, It's hard to love someone like my mother repeatedly who doesn't love back or even seem to care. I'm her daughter for gawd sake! She always treated my sister and I like a second-class people. This had been going on for 35 long years going on 36. I'll never be her daughter as she says.

When I see the way gnulinuxman speaked out about CI on deaf children. I somewhat feel the same, because, when think of my mother, I think all hearing parents are so much alike, when a deaf child is welcome to the world, Parents rush into trying to "fix" a deaf child by getting a CI. How do I really know that they love their deaf children unconditional. I cannot seek in their heart to find out. But, I'll take their word for it. ;)
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:hug: Cheri, most of my deaf friends have similar stories. You are 100% right about why I feel the way I do about cochlear implants and why I don't mind deaf people getting them for themselves. Thanks for sharing your experience.
 
2kids1hoh said:
I am sorry you had to go through that too. I want to believe that most parents are not like that. All the parents I have come across in the last few months are nothing like that. Please don't assume all hearing parents feel the same way your mothers did about you. I want to speak for all the hearing parents on this site, and say that none of us would ever treat our children the way you were treated.
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Come on, you have to face reality. Some parents, thinking they're doing the best for their children, are unknowingly hurting their children. Others are more obvious in it. Not all parents are evil, but NONE of them are perfect.
 
Cheri said:
2kids1hoh,

One more thing I don't know where my manners are, I forgot to thanked you for understanding my story and where I'm coming from. :hug:

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You're welcome!!!
 
gnulinuxman said:
Come on, you have to face reality. Some parents, thinking they're doing the best for their children, are unknowingly hurting their children. Others are more obvious in it. Not all parents are evil, but NONE of them are perfect.
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You know, sometimes I wish you could see where 2kids1hoh and the other parents are coming from on this too like they do for you...

It would be soo nice if we were to listen to them like they do for us afterall it goes both ways right?.... :dunno:
 
Here's my take on this tacky issue.

Let's include them in our affairs and they will include us in their affairs. We've been including them for a while and theyre starting to include us.

It works here in OC.

Richard
 
gnulinuxman said:
Come on, you have to face reality. Some parents, thinking they're doing the best for their children, are unknowingly hurting their children. Others are more obvious in it. Not all parents are evil, but NONE of them are perfect.
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I don't claim to be perfect, and I don't think there is a parent out there that thinks they are perfect. Like Cheri said, how do we really know what is best for our children? We don't, but as parents WE have the right to make those decisions... and more importantly, need to make those decisions for our children when they can not speak for themselves. In certain circumstances a CI may not be the best thing for a child, but in a hearing family, with no other deaf relatives, seems like the logical thing to do. If my child was to grow up the only deaf person in the family, she would be fine. But would she be able to communicate with cousins, aunts, uncles, etc, if she only knew sign language. No, she would feel left out at family events. If she had a CI, then she would still be deaf... but she would be able to hear and speak enough to communicate with her family. This is just one example. How can that be hurting her, giving her the ability to communicate without sign language. I am not against sign language at all, I am learning it right now. But I have to say it again, why wouldn't I want her to hear? You have to face reality, do you really think she would want to be the only one in her family who can't hear or speak? I don't think so.
 
^Angel^ said:
You know, sometimes I wish you could see where 2kids1hoh and the other parents are coming from on this too like they do for you...

It would be soo nice if we were to listen to them like they do for us afterall it goes both ways right?.... :dunno:
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Thank you Angel for your open mind!!
 
Let me add this little paradox to this thread: when are you going to let the deaf join the world?
 
Fragmenter said:
Let me add this little paradox to this thread: when are you going to let the deaf join the world?
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Eh? What do you mean by that?...



You're welcome 2kids1hoh ;)
 
Whatever, Cheri; to each their own.

GNU, would you remove your hearing to prove all of your points? Do it, I double dare you.
 
Fragmenter said:
Don't worry because if I expand upon it, you'll think I'm still a jerk :rofl:
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Try me, afterall I tried to listen to both sides but when some people respond so harshly that what turns me off like you did to me in another thread when I didn't think I deserves this sort of treatment from you....
 
^Angel^ said:
You know, sometimes I wish you could see where 2kids1hoh and the other parents are coming from on this too like they do for you...

It would be soo nice if we were to listen to them like they do for us afterall it goes both ways right?.... :dunno:
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<SARCASM> They're saying they want their kids to flap their jaws like a "real" person. </SARCASM>

I wish parents here would take their minds off my age and see where I'm coming from too.
 
gnulinuxman said:
Come on, you have to face reality. Some parents, thinking they're doing the best for their children, are unknowingly hurting their children. Others are more obvious in it. Not all parents are evil, but NONE of them are perfect.
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Even when it's a hearing child and a hearing parent, he or she will accidentally do things to hurt that child. I consider my relationship with my parents to be extremely healthy, but I can't honestly say it was free of hurtful things. Please don't allege that it's only hearing parents with deaf children that can make mistakes. It's universal and totally well-meaning people can do opposite things, both thinking it's for the best. And in most cases, the right and the wrong depends on the particular parent and the particular child, not on what the outside world has to say.

I don't know enough about the CI myself. I just know about my own relationship with my parents, and those relationships within my own family--and I think that's enough.
 
gnulinuxman said:
They're saying they want their kids to flap their jaws like a "real" person.
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I'm sorry I don't understand what you meant by that
 
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