When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all.

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Cloggy said:
Fortunately, being able to hear does not disqualify you from being part of the Deaf Community. :)

Yeah I have a BTE hearing aid. The doctor said I qualify for a CI and I might take the doctor up on his offer but I will be sure to catch alots of hell if I get the CI and those in the Deaf community will tell me that I have lost a friend based on the issue of the CI which is really immature and it does show that they really never were my friends in the first place and I see that all the time with the Deafies and that is why I said to hell with it and I stick with true and tried good friends.
 
Heath said:
Yeah I have a BTE hearing aid. The doctor said I qualify for a CI and I might take the doctor up on his offer but I will be sure to catch alots of hell if I get the CI and those in the Deaf community will tell me that I have lost a friend based on the issue of the CI which is really immature and it does show that they really never were my friends in the first place and I see that all the time with the Deafies and that is why I said to hell with it and I stick with true and tried good friends.
You need to get a cochlear implant heath, those aren't your true friends if they really said that... They are immature about this... I think you would be amaze with CI if you got one and I hope the best for you... I would love to hear everything about it once you get it...If you get one
 
Cassbugs said:
You need to get a cochlear implant heath, those aren't your true friends if they really said that... They are immature about this... I think you would be amaze with CI if you got one and I hope the best for you... I would love to hear everything about it once you get it...If you get one

Yes, I will get a CI when that time comes. To hell with fake two faced friends. I am going with tried and true good friends.
 
Heath said:
Yes, I will get a CI when that time comes. To hell with fake friends. I am going with tried and true good friends.
At least you will know what goes on out in the real world.. it would make things alot easier... perhaps??
 
Cassbugs said:
At least you will know what goes on out in the real world.. it would make things alot easier... perhaps??

Amen to that. :) :thumb:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
:gpost: I has the same feeling as you.


Some of you know that I was in London for 9 days last month. I thought about hearing parents's posts here so I tested my Dad. I questioned my Dad about CI issues and how he feeling after discover that I'm deaf etc. (I know my parents found out I'm deaf when I was 1 year old).

Anyway, Dad told me that he would of implant me STRAIGHT WAY with CI after found out I'm deaf. I was like eh? and ask him why? He said that he like to whisper me. It look like that he only think himself, not learn to accept me... (?) To me, I feel that the parents do not give the best for their child but themselves after learn from my Dad. I thank Dad for wake me up and know now how parents feeling.

Dad said that he & my mom were upset after learn that I'm deaf and need to find out about my future etc. The doctor insured them to not worry about my future because deafies can lead normal life like hearing but can't hear anything. Doctor advised them to not wear HA on me until I'm 5 years old.... (That's doctor's opinion). Doctor positived my parents about my deafness... Many years later my Dad heard about CI and questioned doctor cons and pros about CI issues. Doctor want to examine me but Dad told him that I'm married and live in Germany. Doctor told my Dad in his opinion that I'm too old to have CI - it's best to have CI on young children and talk positive all the time to my Dad about CI. I was like eh?

My Dad told me that he suggest my mom to go class to learn sign language but mom reject and said that I have to learn oral and read lipread. (honestly, they never have time to learn me but got my one year young sister Sue to interpret for me all the time).

Anyway, I listen until he finish with his talk then I told my Dad that his description about doctor at my time and CI issues at present time sounds hypocrisy to me. Dad asked me why? I told him that every doctors insured the parents to not worry about deaf children's future etc... until new CI tech. comes.... the doctor said different and then positive CI issues. :ugh2:


I like to say it aloud because it s all about money issues. Thats how it twisted around everything from the past to now by CI/Medical professionals. They have no faith in us and our deaf abilities that we can go along without devices. As far as we can speak with or without devices that is no differences between CI and HA people. Since we all have Deaf voices that you cannot hide. What 's the use!
 
Sweetmind said:
I like to say it aloud because it s all about money issues. Thats how it twisted around everything from the past to now by CI/Medical professionals. They have no faith in us and our deaf abilities that we can go along without devices. As far as we can speak with or without devices that is no differences between CI and HA people. Since we all have Deaf voices that you cannot hide. What 's the use!
You are giving up way to easy.... thats a no no!!! if you want the device then fight for it sweetmind.....You will eventually get it, if it's money issue then ask your doctor to sumbit a PA request which medicaid can't refuse not to pay for cochlear implant
 
Sweetmind said:
I like to say it aloud because it s all about money issues. .........
In general payed for by insurance, in some countries by the state...

Which money issues???
Definitely not Harlan Lane: Tell the mothers I said, "Help your child; you are the adult, you bear the burden of resposibility to give the child all the possibilities life can give!"
 
Cassbugs said:
You are giving up way to easy.... thats a no no!!! if you want the device then fight for it sweetmind.....You will eventually get it, if it's money issue then ask your doctor to sumbit a PA request which medicaid can't refuse not to pay for cochlear implant


??? What the heck are you talking about? NO thank you I dont want it for myself because I DONT NEED IT to depend on any device anymore. Thank you! Jeez! You are trying to force me to have CI while I fully accepted myself as being deaf .. SCoff!! I am an adult to make my own decision not the parent s decision from the start.

I m talking about CI corporation are making money that is not belong to Deaf culture. Sighs!

Read it careful that you have had been misunderstood too many times.
 
Sweetmind said:
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I m talking about CI corporation are making money that is not belong to Deaf culture......
I read it carefully but still don't get it...

Are you saying that the money should have gone to Deaf Culture???


By the way.... You haven't clarified this post...
Sweetmind said:
Today, 02:26 AM #174

He posted that his own opinion is their only love own kid if they can hear. **RME**

Can you please do that. I wasn't the only one that didn't get it...
 
My comments are in blue and Cloggy's are in red.

Cloggy said:
Sweetmind said:
Now you are asking for it again.. Thats what I meant by this quote that I have posted it over and over.

It is one thing to allow a person to choose to use an auditory device, but I see that it is unfair to decide for any individual to have a surgery that changes their physical properties. Once a person is mature enough to decide to have a CI surgically implanted, the decision should be made. To have a parent/guardian etc.choose this for a child is ridiculous.
No, it's called PARENTING!
No, it's called FORCING A KID to be something they're not.
Why should it be ok to force a person into a surgery that they may rely on for their entire life.
In order have the best possible benefit of today's technology
What about tomorrow's technology? It is also possible to "benefit" from the technology of the future, especially if it gets better. And why not raise the kid to be a deaf person?
Once a child has become accustomed to these devices it is something that they expect to have for the rest of their life. If the device fails or does not continue to work in the same way for their entire life, then they no longer can use what they have been expected to rely on. This is totally unfair to any child or adult.
No, it's unfair to withhold a child opportunities. When it does not work, as in some cases happens, then the child will be .... deaf. Nothing changed.
It's unfair to withhold a child opportunities to be himself/herself. Also, kids on CI's are rarely taught the "essentials" of how to live deaf too especially since it's the parents who want the CI. By "essentials" I mean Deaf Culture, signing, lipreading, and other things. If the kid doesn't want to wear the CI (keeps knocking it off, for example), are you going to punish the kid or let the kid get away with not wearing it?
If they have the choice to decide whether to use an auditory device or not then they can make that decision for themselves. It is wrong to force anyone to depend on something when naturally they are not going to have that.
Nor are they naturally having circomsicion, not are mothers naturally giving birth by ceasarian...
Those two examples have almost no effect on daily life of the child. CI's do.
Children cannot make that decision. They should have the choice to decide on adapting their physical properties on their own.
No, parents do that because they are parents and since they love the child they will do what they feel is in the best interest of the child.
See Liebling and Cheri's post for two examples of parents who do NOT love deaf kids for who they are.
This should not take place unless they have been fully educated on ALL of the possibilities...positive and negative.
And when your house in on fire, you can also think about all pro's and cons.... instead of acting!
WTF does THAT have to do with the CI?

If a child relies on the auditory device and then it suddenly isn’t working anymore, then it is something that they have no choice but to have taken from them. These surgeries are not inexpensive. It takes money to maintain these devices and not all people are able to keep up with this. What happens when a child decides that they do not want to utilize this technology?
It will stop using it and continues as deaf... at least it had a choice.
No, it will be punished by the parents for refusing to wear it at the age of 5.

It is wrong to force a person to rely on something each day, when naturally they may be better off without a device being implanted into their bodies.
Naturally, people hear!
Naturally DEAF PEOPLE DO NOT HEAR.
Insurance does not cover a CI removal. If a person chooses that route then more power to them,but it is not an issue that should be decided by a person that will not have to live with it. The person that is getting a surgery of this type or any other surgery should be allowed to choose for themselves. It is something that will have impact, whether positive or negative, a person for the rest of their life.
You mean like not having a CI also will have an impact. Positive and negative

By forcing an individual into a life altering procedure it is the same as saying you are not “good” enough the way that you were born. You must change physically for you to be accepted by the real world. Is this really the impression we want to make on deaf children.
That's the impression YOU give to these children. The parents love the child and want the best for them. YOU tell the children that they are not good enough. You cover it up in stories about the parents, but in fact, you think that these deaf Ci-children are inferior..... Well, newsflash, they are NOT.
Read Liebling's and Cheri's posts again very carefully if you think this is so.

It is a huge put down to deaf childrens true identity. People must have a choice, it is only fair! We should appreciate the differences in all people. If we were all the same, then the world would be a very boring place.
True identity... Born deaf, living in a hearing world with help of CI. What's wrong with that identity.
Deafness nowadays is becoming a choice. Identities of hoh/deaf has expanded to hoh/deaf/ci. Deal with it.
You keep claiming it is the parents' choice, not the kids' choice.

Therefore we have the right to maintain the status we were born with...people need to learn to accept that. Any adaptation that needs to be made should be made within the faultfinders, not the children. Acceptance is KEY! Need I say more?
No, you're on your way to Harlan Lane..... There he is...
:wtflol: << Me (gnulinuxman)
"Tell the mothers I said, "Don't try to change your child; you are the adult, you bear the burden of change" - Harlan Lane Thats what it needs to get through your head.

Seeing as how there are more cons than pros to getting a CI, ( as such stated in other topics), It is more responsible to NOT implant a child. You dont need to hear to be alive. And if a d/Deaf child is not good enough for you then you need to reconsider your morals and prejudices. Like it, love it, or leave it alone.
Impressive interpretation of the topics and posts. And according to my list a deaf child with CI has far more pro's living with it's hearing parents than con's. I dare to say that also for a deaf child with CI living with deaf parents there are more pro's than con's.... Care to sum them up?
Read Liebling's and Cheri's posts.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

By the way..., Harlan Lane's quote is outdated after 20 years.
Oh, cut that out.
 
Cassbugs said:
I don't know why some of you think that your parents don't accept who you are since your deaf.. I think personally that ALL parents love their own childrens no matter what... maybe back then it was new to them when they found out that you were deaf and it was all new to them.... Didn't know how to handle a deaf person... It takes a lot of work to handle a deaf person but once you learn how to handle one it get easier... Don't assume that your parents don't love you or accept you...

But please it's stupid how some of you think your parents don't accept (sp) for who you are.... You know well in your heart they do and they love you just like any parent would.....

We're no different than hearings.....

You have no FREGGIN CLUE! :mad: Have you had a chance to read the entire thread? If you haven't read my post on page 5, Please read. The True Story
 
Originally Posted by Cassbugs
I don't know why some of you think that your parents don't accept who you are since your deaf.. I think personally that ALL parents love their own childrens no matter what...

Remember each person have different feeling and view. Yes I feel being neglect by my parents in the past because they don't know how to communicate with me but got my one year younger sister Sue to interpet for me. I has the feeling since my Dad mentioned that he want to implant me with CI because he want to "whisper" me like he did with his children and want to communicate with me like what he did with his children. What's that?

maybe back then it was new to them when they found out that you were deaf and it was all new to them.... Didn't know how to handle a deaf person... It takes a lot of work to handle a deaf person but once you learn how to handle one it get easier... Don't assume that your parents don't love you or accept you...

Can you please explain me the example about Down syndrome children? To me, what the parents handle Down syndrome children is the worst than they handle their deaf children. The parents of Down syndrome children accept that their children are different as normal children and learn to how to handle with them.

Yes, I can understand that it's normal for every parents to get shock, upset, fear about the future after learn that your child is not "prefect" child, you wish for. Talking to other parents of handciapped children can be helpful, because they know how you feel and get information, etc. Look at severe disabled children... What's about them? The parents do not change their children what they want. They accept them because they born and love them.


But please it's stupid how some of you think your parents don't accept (sp) for who you are.... You know well in your heart they do and they love you just like any parent would.....

Watch out what you saying.

We're no different than hearings.....

severe handicapped? :roll: That's just the parents want their children to be "prefect" children... that's so.
 
Cassbugs said:
Why do you perfer to be deaf?..
What is wrong with being deaf anyway? Being deaf does not mean it's the end of the world. Just as there is nothing wrong with being White, Black, Latino, Russian, American, Hearing, Purple, Yellow, Green!
Cassbugs said:
You need to get a cochlear implant heath,
Why are you forcing cochlear implants down someone's throat, a must to have does not mean that you'll be accept in the world of society or living life in the real world. This is a reality that we have to face, when one shovel cochlear implants down other's throat.
Cassbugs said:
At least you will know what goes on out in the real world.. it would make things alot easier
There is no requirement to be able to hear to be out in the real world, Life is hard for everyone out there not only deaf people.
Heath said:
but I will be sure to catch alots of hell if I get the CI and those in the Deaf community will tell me that I have lost a friend based on the issue of the CI
Some people with CI, does the same to their deaf friends without CI, It goes both ways Heath.
Cassbugs said:
...CI are not for everybody.... But there are chances that it can be for all those who are deaf
Which is it, CI are not for everyone nor chances that it'll be for all deaf people? You cannot say both. There is a possiblity that CI can make one become totally deaf after one realize that CI is not working for one at all. It is too late for any person who went through that experience and lost all of their residual hearing. Is that a risk that anyone willing to take? With me, it's not even worth the try. I'm glad that it works for some who shows the understanding of speech and sounds, But, therefore I'm sad for some that did not work for them. But the truth is CI is not for everyone. So please stop forcing people to get CI, when you don't know if they'll experience the same as you do. Becareful, because I smell lawsuits.
 
Cloggy said:
True in most cases, but remember that there are also members with the opposite experience.
I feel, like you I assume, that these are the exemptions, but for the people that lived with that kind of rejection, the view is quite different.

Heath said:
My parents loved me no matter what and I pray for the same for anothers too

Cassebugs said:
My parents love me no matter what and I love them with all of my heart, they are my best friends!!!!

I see both responds to Cloggy's post and Heath had the heart to think about others while Cassbugs only thought of herself. That really shows your true colors, Cassbugs. Don't forget there are people out in the world who are deaf being rejected by their parents, had a hard life similar to mine. I don't want to see anyone walk that path of life. I'm glad you both have great parents that are devoted to both of you. What about those who had that kind of rejection by their parents? Do you even care? Or it is all about "you".
 
Cheri,

We all have different experiences in life, if a person hadn't experienced them, they would not be who they are today. People all have different coping skills, different pain thresholds, different talents, different approaches to life challenges, and on and on. :) I am by no means minimizing anything that has happened in your life, please understand that.

We are all a product of our enviroment, each enviroment disfunctional at some level.

I do not have to look far in todays world to see people, who imo, simply do not know how to parent.
 
Heath said:
Yes and as technology improves. I will be willing to try new technology much to the vehement objections of the Deaf community that stomps their feet, cries out , points fingers and gets angry and tells me I am not Deaf or tells me I rejected Deaf culture or something like that when I am 100 % Deaf culture and always will be culturally Deaf. With those angry righteous self pompous Deafies, I just go :roll: because they just don't get it. It is good to have Deaf pride but there comes a point where the reality on the ground takes central stage and you have to focus on real life and if you can't do that then too bad. I prefer to be able to hear but also I prefer to be Deaf too.

QFT
 
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