When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all.

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Cloggy said:
It's human nature to divide people up in groups or cultures.. But also, people with similar experiences unite and from there define their own culture.
Just the way of life.
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Yes it is normal human behavior to do that but there also comes a line that should not be crossed.
 
I don't know why some of you think that your parents don't accept who you are since your deaf.. I think personally that ALL parents love their own childrens no matter what... maybe back then it was new to them when they found out that you were deaf and it was all new to them.... Didn't know how to handle a deaf person... It takes a lot of work to handle a deaf person but once you learn how to handle one it get easier... Don't assume that your parents don't love you or accept you... Maybe for some of you, maybe some parents don't want you to learn to sign, maybe they want you to lip read?? Thought of that?? You can understand better...... maybe they just wanted you to learn, but some parents may allow their kids to learn sign and lip read... My parents won't let me sign since I had speech since I was very little and I speak great expect I can't say my s's in my words... But I do very well with my language... Which Im proud of and thank my parents for that!

But please it's stupid how some of you think your parents don't accept (sp) for who you are.... You know well in your heart they do and they love you just like any parent would.....

We're no different than hearings.....
 
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Cassbugs said:
I think honestly that all parents need to implant there kids with Cochlear implant so the older they get the better they will know whats out in the real world... My mother would've gotten me implanted but I had enough hearing back then, so Im trying to get a CI as soon as I can... I find it great that all parents are implanting their childrens.... For those you think its wrong then thats your loss... parents want the BEST for their childrens!

God Bless You! :angel:
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I agree with you but the way parents look at the deafness, depends very much on the culture they grow up in.
For me, living in a world with so many different sounds, my wish for my child is that she is able to experience the same. For a deaf parent, growing up without sound and in a community where sign is the language and hearing is not a factor, sound is far down the list.
In between (and beyond probably) there are all sorts of variations on the subject.

So I can see that implanting a deaf child would start a reaction in the deaf corner that "deafness is looked down at", that "deaf people are not accepted" even that "the parents don't accept the deafness", "the child grows up without identity" and to extremes that "the 666 beast chip is now in their head".
From the hearing corner, the reaction is that "it's wonderful to hear and this is wished for the child" and "when succesfull the child will be able to communicate with everyone" up to extremes that "the child has to hear and speak because we all do"

It's difficult for a deaf person to imagine what it is like to hear. It's difficult for a hearing person what it is like not to hear.
Let's hope that these kind of messageboards can shed some light on both perspectives....
 
Cloggy said:
It's difficult for a deaf person to imagine what it is like to hear. It's difficult for a hearing person what it is like not to hear.
Let's hope that these kind of messageboards can shed some light on both perspectives....
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:gpost:
 
Cloggy said:
Liebling....

Putting words into feelings is not easy. Small nuances can make a huge difference.
I found that out when I said in a topic that "I want my daughter to hear." which more precisely should have been "For my daughter, I want my daughter to hear."
The first sentance had in my mind the fact that I want her to hear in order for her to be able to hear.

Even reading back, it is confusing.

But I'm sure you know the feeling that you really want something for your child. For example "I want that girl to like him because I want to see him happy." Is that a selfish wish? No... you want your child to experience something that you have experienced.

I cannot speak for your dad, and you seem to have a thourough discussion with him. But I have experienced that feelings that I experessed in words or text have been misunderstood. It happens very fast...
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Yes I understand what you mean and can understand where you come from. I doesn't mean to label everyone as selfish person but to my feeling after listen and watch my Dad's movement when he spoke how he felt about me.

Yes I tried to understand my Dad as hearing person without criticize him. I watched his movement during discussion. I realized that each person have different feeling and view. I has the feeling that parents and children have different feeling and view. (?) Perhaps the children will thank you for that or not. Nobody knows. I'm sure that you know that we (parents) often make right or wrong decision what we do best for our children. It's not easy for us as parents.

I realized that we (parents) have no right to criticize and bash other parents when they see different view than us how/what we do with our children. I see no problem when we open our mind to discuss why we respectfully agree/disagree etc instead of judge/criticize/bash etc. The forum here is good education for all of us here to understand where we come from...
 
Cassbugs said:
Oh okay whatever you say bout that... I just don't see a point of having "deaf culture"... We're all normal and it doesn't matter rather you have experiences or not... we're all people.....No point of naming people
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Deaf Culture is actually kept alive by the Deaf community. Harlan Lane recently wrote an article where he tries to make a case for Deaf Culture to be a acknoledged culture, so that the next step will be to show that due to CI the culture is being destroyed..... and according to the FN, this cannot be allowed.... (Cultural Genocide)

So, having a Deaf Culture is something that is cherished by many. Because they feel they ARE different.
 
Today, 02:26 AM #174

He posted that his own opinion is their only love own kid if they can hear. **RME**
 
Cassbugs said:
I don't know why some of you think that your parents don't accpet who you are since your deaf.. I think personally that ALL parents love their own childrens no matter what.. maybe back then it was new to them when they found out that you were deaf and it was all new to them.... Didn't know how to handle a deaf person... It takes a lot of work to handle a deaf person but once you learn how to handle one it get easier... Don't assume that your parents don't love you or accpet (sp) you... Maybe for some of you, maybe some parents don't want you to learn to sign, maybe they want you to lip read?? Thought of that?? You can understand better...... maybe they just wanted you to learn, but some parents may allow their kids to learn sign and lip read... My parents won't let me sign since I had speech since I was very little and I speak great expect I can't say my s's in my words... But I do very well with my language... Which Im proud of and thank my parents for that!

But please it's stupid how some of you think your parents don't accpet (sp) for who you are.... You know well in your heart they do and they love you just like any parent would.....

We're no different than hearings.....
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:gpost:
 
Cloggy said:
I agree with you but the way parents look at the deafness, depends very much on the culture they grow up in.
For me, living in a world with so many different sounds, my wish for my child is that she is able to experience the same. For a deaf parent, growing up without sound and in a community where sign is the language and hearing is not a factor, sound is far down the list.
In between (and beyond probably) there are all sorts of variations on the subject.

So I can see that implanting a deaf child would start a reaction in the deaf corner that "deafness is looked down at", that "deaf people are not accepted" even that "the parents don't accept the deafness", "the child grows up without identity" and to extremes that "the 666 beast chip is now in their head".
From the hearing corner, the reaction is that "it's wonderful to hear and this is wished for the child" and "when succesfull the child will be able to communicate with everyone" up to extremes that "the child has to hear and speak because we all do"

It's difficult for a deaf person to imagine what it is like to hear. It's difficult for a hearing person what it is like not to hear.
Let's hope that these kind of messageboards can shed some light on both perspectives....
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you got a point.... Maybe these people needs to open up and think about cochlear implant and do whats the best for them... People take this way to personally... They think that ci isn't going to help but truthfully eachday is getting better with the Techogoly (sp)....They assume that the CIers think they are hearing all sudden and being soo harsh about it... I think it's kinda sad because once you get a CI I belive that your hearing since you can "hear" something and understand more whats out in the real world.. its though out there when your a deaf person... People think werid things... They take things for all wrong reasons!
 
Heath said:
Personally, if a person wants a CI then fine and if the person does not want a CI then that is fine too. I supported a Deaf friend's decision to have CI before and I caught alots of hell for it. Just wait until you have a BTE hearing aid then you will understand. I agree the parents want the best for their children but I also think CI's are not for everybody.
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You got a point heath...CI are not for everybody.... But there are chances that it can be for all those who are deaf... New techology everyday..... People take things wrong for all reasons!
 
Sweetmind said:
Today, 02:26 AM #174

He posted that his own opinion is their only love own kid if they can hear. **RME**
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I don't see where he said that.
 
Sweetmind said:
Today, 02:26 AM #174

He posted that his own opinion is their only love own kid if they can hear. **RME**
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Nor do I...

Sweety... Next time, just make a link to the post... link this .
And stop rolling your eyes and explain what you mean instead of posting cryptic messages..
 
Cloggy said:
I agree with you but the way parents look at the deafness, depends very much on the culture they grow up in.
For me, living in a world with so many different sounds, my wish for my child is that she is able to experience the same. For a deaf parent, growing up without sound and in a community where sign is the language and hearing is not a factor, sound is far down the list.
In between (and beyond probably) there are all sorts of variations on the subject.

So I can see that implanting a deaf child would start a reaction in the deaf corner that "deafness is looked down at", that "deaf people are not accepted" even that "the parents don't accept the deafness", "the child grows up without identity" and to extremes that "the 666 beast chip is now in their head".
From the hearing corner, the reaction is that "it's wonderful to hear and this is wished for the child" and "when succesfull the child will be able to communicate with everyone" up to extremes that "the child has to hear and speak because we all do"

It's difficult for a deaf person to imagine what it is like to hear. It's difficult for a hearing person what it is like not to hear.
Let's hope that these kind of messageboards can shed some light on both perspectives....
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well said Cloggy :applause:
 
Heath said:
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But please it's stupid how some of you think your parents don't accpet (sp) for who you are.... You know well in your heart they do and they love you just like any parent would.....
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True in most cases, but remember that there are also members with the opposite experience.
I feel, like you I assume, that these are the exemptions, but for the people that lived with that kind of rejection, the view is quite different.
 
Cassbugs said:
You got a point heath...CI are not for everybody.... But there are chances that it can be for all those who are deaf... New techology everyday..... People take things wrong for all reasons!
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Yes and as technology improves. I will be willing to try new technology much to the vehement objections of the Deaf community that stomps their feet, cries out , points fingers and gets angry and tells me I am not Deaf or tells me I rejected Deaf culture or something like that when I am 100 % Deaf culture and always will be culturally Deaf. With those angry righteous self pompous Deafies, I just go :roll: because they just don't get it. It is good to have Deaf pride but there comes a point where the reality on the ground takes central stage and you have to focus on real life and if you can't do that then too bad. I prefer to be able to hear but also I prefer to be Deaf too.
 
Heath said:
...... I prefer to be able to hear but also I prefer to be Deaf too.
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Fortunately, being able to hear does not disqualify you from being part of the Deaf Community. :)
 
Cloggy said:
True in most cases, but remember that there are also members with the opposite experience.
I feel, like you I assume, that these are the exemptions, but for the people that lived with that kind of rejection, the view is quite different.
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My parents loved me no matter what and I pray for the same for anothers too. :) :thumb: :angel:
 
Heath said:
Yes and as technology improves. I will be willing to try new technology much to the vehement objections of the Deaf community that stomps their feet, crys out , points fingers and gets angry and tells me I am not Deaf or tells me I rejected Deaf culture or something like that when I am 100 % Deaf culture and always will be culturally Deaf. With those angry righteous self pompous Deafies, I just go :roll: because they just don't get it. It is good to have Deaf pride but there comes a point where the reality on the ground takes central stage and you have to focus on real life and if you can't do that then too bad. I prefer to be able to hear but also I prefer to be Deaf too.
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Why do you perfer to be deaf? Im just cerious and no Im not going to bash you... it's your life and follow your heart... but the way I look at it, I will be able to hear in one ear with the CI and the other ear Im deaf... Goes both ways I think.. I've always wear hearings aids and it DRIVES me insane if I don't got my hearing aids on, not long ago my HA broke and it kinda ticked me off because I couldn't hear what was going around me and aware what was going on around me. I have to hear "something".. I don't think I would like being 100% deaf.. it would be hard for me.... But like I told my mother if the CI doesn't work on me but hopefully it does... It wouldn't matter because as long as I read lips and speak great... thats all what it matters but I hope it turns out all good for me and for those who are getting one! Dont worry about what others say..... Listen to your heart.....
 
My parents love me no matter what and I love them with all of my heart, they are my best friends!!!! :angel:
 
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