When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all.

[IslandGal]

What is wrong with being deaf anyway? Being deaf does not mean it's the end of the world. Just as there is nothing wrong with being White, Black, Latino, Russian, American, Hearing, Purple, Yellow, Green!

Well said there!

Why are you forcing cochlear implants down someone's throat, a must to have does not mean that you'll be accept in the world of society or living life in the real world. This is a reality that we have to face, when one shovel cochlear implants down other's throat.

I am really fed up with some people who go around shoving CIs down in our throats if we do not want one. I remember when I went to see my audiologist several years ago to get a new BTE for myself and know what he did after he tested on me? He took me into another room and said I was qualified for a CI and I was like WTF? I didn't ask for to be tested for a cochlear implant!! He then gave me a brochure and gave me a speech about CIs. I kept telling him that I was not really interested in getting a CI and also I wasn't ready to get one yet. He then tried to bring in someone who had a CI to talk with me but he was nowhere to be found. What a nerve he had to do this to me!!

There is no requirement to be able to hear to be out in the real world, Life is hard for everyone out there not only deaf people.

Well said there!! It is true that life can be hard for anyone whether they are deaf or not.

Some people with CI, does the same to their deaf friends without CI,
It goes both ways Heath.

Yes, it happened to me. I posted a story somewhere that I had a friend who decided to call herself a "hearie" after she received a CI. It goes BOTH ways, Heath.

Which is it, CI are not for everyone nor chances that it'll be for all deaf people? You cannot say both. There is a possiblity that CI can make one become totally deaf after one realize that CI is not working for one at all. It is too late for any person who went through that experience and lost all of their residual hearing. Is that a risk that anyone willing to take? With me, it's not even worth the try. I'm glad that it works for some who shows the understanding of speech and sounds, But, therefore I'm sad for some that did not work for them. But the truth is CI is not for everyone. So please stop forcing people to get CI, when you don't know if they'll experience the same as you do. Becareful, because I smell lawsuits.

Again well said there!!

 

[gnulinuxman]

In general payed for by insurance, in some countries by the state...

Which money issues???

Whether or not the patient pays for it, the corporations and doctors still get the money.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Haha! Don't worry, it was figurative.

Shit, being deaf and "mute" with a healthy grasp on the English language is not easy to live with. It's agony. It's depressing becuase I love the language if not more than ASL.

Each language seems to have its high points and its drawbacks, though. Having studied other languages, including Spanish and German, in comparison English seems to suck the life out of anything you talk about. It seems like a very "dry" language in comparison, more suited to a science journal than a story. Unfortunately I don't understand much ASL, but at least from what I see, it doesn't seem to have that "sleeping pill" effect English can have sometimes...

 

[jillio]

Each language seems to have its high points and its drawbacks, though. Having studied other languages, including Spanish and German, in comparison English seems to suck the life out of anything you talk about. It seems like a very "dry" language in comparison, more suited to a science journal than a story. Unfortunately I don't understand much ASL, but at least from what I see, it doesn't seem to have that "sleeping pill" effect English can have sometimes...

I feel the same way. ASL paints the picture for you to look at it. English tells you what the picture looks. Very different. My brain doesn't feel the same when I communicate in English as does when I communicate in sign. I see the picture painted for me in sign, and understand it. No need for words to explain picture for me.

 

[gnulinuxman]

Each language seems to have its high points and its drawbacks, though. Having studied other languages, including Spanish and German, in comparison English seems to suck the life out of anything you talk about. It seems like a very "dry" language in comparison, more suited to a science journal than a story. Unfortunately I don't understand much ASL, but at least from what I see, it doesn't seem to have that "sleeping pill" effect English can have sometimes...

Being fluent in ASL and Spanish as languages I learned after childhood, I would agree with you. English is boring. ASL and Spanish have certain characteristics that make them special, while English is sorta blah...

 

[gnulinuxman]

I feel the same way. ASL paints the picture for you to look at it. English tells you what the picture looks. Very different. My brain doesn't feel the same when I communicate in English as does when I communicate in sign. I see the picture painted for me in sign, and understand it. No need for words to explain picture for me.

Technically, ASL is a verbal (word-based) language because each symbol (sign) has a meaning.

 

[Heath]

QFT

What is QFT

 

[rockdrummer]

You're coming across as an expert too, yet you hear too. Your son isn't the only deaf person out there either.

I am not sure where I have came across to be an expert. For the record I am not an expert and as I have stated before, I am here to learn. And you honestly don't believe that I think my son is the only deaf person out there. Do ya?

Three posts where I wished people good luck on their CI operations:
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=552991#post552991
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=547562#post547562
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=528743#post528743
I do NOT mind people getting them for themselves if it's their decision. What I do mind is parents forcing it on kids (and also some people are claming that nobody is forced to get them when in fact they really are forced by parents) and the "I can hear, you can't! :P " attitude I often see (most people who have it deny having it) I know Deaf Culture needs to let up on the CI bashing a little, but implantees and parents need to let up on the Deaf Culture bashing as well. Are you trying to say parents are all perfect? Hmmm...

Fair enough. Perhaps saying you are anti CI for children is more accurate. Forcing is not the right word. Look it up. A parent making a decision does not equate to force. If that was the case then myself as almost everyone would have been forced to do something in their life. Listen, I know that there are parents out there that do it for the wrong reasons. I am not arguing that. What I don't believe is that its' the majority as you have stated. If you have some stats to back that up I would be interested in seeing them. As a parent, I know the special love that one has for their children and I believe in my heart that most people are good. Not that most people are bad.

the most common reaction to deaf children is crying and "What did I do wrong?" and "Oh no!" I understand that some deaf people do like the CI. That's fine. What does bother me are the "It's all Deaf Culture's fault for bashing my kid!" and "It's all Deaf Culture's fault for hating me! They should know it's better to hear!" It is NEVER that direct, but in a subtle way, lots of hearing people and implantees are saying those things. It's a two way street.

Again, where are you getting this information from. And please, I think you are smart enough to realize that YOUR personal experiences don't speak for the majority. So if you are not referring to your personal experiences, where are you getting this info from. If you ARE referring to your personal experiences, then it would be more accurate for you to say so and not come across with what appear to be factual statistics. I respect your dedication to the deaf. I respect your opinion. Having said that I will leave you with this. Getting parenting advise from you is like a 19 year old kid at the Home Depot giving me advise on how to fix my sink. Neither has a clue. I wish the best for you and your girlfriend and perhaps if and/or when you have your own children, you might begin to understand.

 

[Boult]

What is QFT

Quoted For Truth

 

[Fo'Shizzle]

??? What the heck are you talking about? NO thank you I dont want it for myself because I DONT NEED IT to depend on any device anymore. Thank you! Jeez! You are trying to force me to have CI while I fully accepted myself as being deaf .. SCoff!! I am an adult to make my own decision not the parent s decision from the start.

I m talking about CI corporation are making money that is not belong to Deaf culture. Sighs!

Read it careful that you have had been misunderstood too many times.

Oh excuse me.... You don't have to be a smart ass about this situtation... You didn't explain loud and clearly at the beganning... I don't give a crap if you dont or want a cochlear implant....Excuse me Im a adult myself and no Im not forcing anyone to get a cochlear implant... You need to think it over before you go snapping at people... Maybe explain in MORE DETAILS!! Sweetie!
Scoff yourself.... My point above if you STROLL up and read ABOVE... Like I said PARENTS want the BEST for their OWN childrens.... If you did already had implanted when you were a child I bet you wouldn't be agaisnt this, You would prolly know more whats out in the real world, more then most deafs.. Quit living in a fansty world.... Live in a real world and OPEN your eyes more... Its a tough little world out there for the deafies.... Belive it or not Ive been thru this situation and thank goodness I was able to hear when I was a teenager and learn lots from it... Now since Im deaf 100% and wear hearing aids which helps barely none. I understand what goes on out there in the real world and sweetie it's not easy.... You can accpet all you want, Ive accpeted my deafness at the beginaing... You should never wait till now to accept yourself..Always at the beganning...thats your decision but thats sad...
I was saying if you can't get a cochlear implant all I was saying is ask a Doctor to sumbit a PA request so medicaid cant' resfuse not to pay it.....

again EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!

 

[Fo'Shizzle]

What is wrong with being deaf anyway? Being deaf does not mean it's the end of the world. Just as there is nothing wrong with being White, Black, Latino, Russian, American, Hearing, Purple, Yellow, Green!

Why are you forcing cochlear implants down someone's throat, a must to have does not mean that you'll be accept in the world of society or living life in the real world. This is a reality that we have to face, when one shovel cochlear implants down other's throat.

There is no requirement to be able to hear to be out in the real world, Life is hard for everyone out there not only deaf people.

Some people with CI, does the same to their deaf friends without CI, It goes both ways Heath.

Which is it, CI are not for everyone nor chances that it'll be for all deaf people? You cannot say both. There is a possiblity that CI can make one become totally deaf after one realize that CI is not working for one at all. It is too late for any person who went through that experience and lost all of their residual hearing. Is that a risk that anyone willing to take? With me, it's not even worth the try. I'm glad that it works for some who shows the understanding of speech and sounds, But, therefore I'm sad for some that did not work for them. But the truth is CI is not for everyone. So please stop forcing people to get CI, when you don't know if they'll experience the same as you do. Becareful, because I smell lawsuits.

First of all Im not forcing heath and you can ask him personally.. Im being a good friend to heath and I have since day one.. If he wants a cochlear implant then Im going to stick beside him and pray it would help him.... He would know a lot more out there in the world prolly better than me... But Im thankful for those who are able to get a cochlear implant... Im just asking him questions and it's not a problem and if he does got a problem with that Im sure he would let me know.. Im not forcing cochlear implant in peoples throat... Im just happy for those who are getting one and would like to hear more stories about it... okay???

 

[rockdrummer]

Come on, you have to face reality. Some parents, thinking they're doing the best for their children, are unknowingly hurting their children. Others are more obvious in it. Not all parents are evil, but NONE of them are perfect.

The reality is that nobody has a crystal ball and can determine the outcome of their decisions. And you are right. In SOME cases they may do more harm than good but the point is that the decision was made with the best interest of the child at heart. And I agree, Nobody is perfect nor will they ever be.

 

[Fo'Shizzle]

You have no FREGGIN CLUE! Have you had a chance to read the entire thread? If you haven't read my post on page 5, Please read. The True Story

Cheri its all about whats in parents hearts.... no Im not going to read the stories beacuse all parents should love thier own childrens, I can't imagtion if they don't

 

[Boult]

Oh excuse me.... You don't have to be a smart ass about this situtation... You didn't explain loud and clearly at the beganning... I don't give a crap if you dont or want a cochlear implant....Excuse me Im a adult myself and no Im not forcing anyone to get a cochlear implant... You need to think it over before you go snapping at people... Maybe explain in MORE DETAILS!! Sweetie!
Scoff yourself.... My point above if you STROLL up and read ABOVE... Like I said PARENTS want the BEST for their OWN childrens.... If you did already had implanted when you were a child I bet you wouldn't be agaisnt this, You would prolly know more whats out in the real world, more then most deafs.. Quit living in a fansty world.... Live in a real world and OPEN your eyes more... Its a tough little world out there for the deafies.... Belive it or not Ive been thru this situation and thank goodness I was able to hear when I was a teenager and learn lots from it... Now since Im deaf 100% and wear hearing aids which helps barely none. I understand what goes on out there in the real world and sweetie it's not easy.... You can accpet all you want, Ive accpeted my deafness at the beginaing... You should never wait till now to accept yourself..Always at the beganning...thats your decision but thats sad...
I was saying if you can't get a cochlear implant all I was saying is ask a Doctor to sumbit a PA request so medicaid cant' resfuse not to pay it.....

again EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!

Well for your information, Sweetmind does not want one at all regardless.. She is just saying that it is not worth it for those deaf kids. But I think otherwise...

Just ignore Sweetmind.

If you take time you look at all of YOUR post, you will notice that you said "you need to get cochlear implant" I have one and I think you should not say that regardless. It is like shoving in their throat. (because you don't have one and I do) Since I have one, I only can correct their misconception. and I only can support the idea of children implanted at younger age for better opportunity in the future as long the parent are fully informed and has factored in everything. so we, ci users, should not be shoving in their throat to get one right away but to share information, feedbacks and answers their questions ALSO correct their misconception.

So now I ask you to ease up! and refrain from telling those naysayers "you need to get a cochlear implant"

alright?
Cheers!

 

[Boult]

Cheri its all about whats in parents hearts.... no Im not going to read the stories beacuse all parents should love thier own childrens, I can't imagtion if they don't

don't be ignorant! read her story! I read it and I learn who and where she's coming from!

 

[Fo'Shizzle]

I see both responds to Cloggy's post and Heath had the heart to think about others while Cassbugs only thought of herself. That really shows your true colors, Cassbugs. Don't forget there are people out in the world who are deaf being rejected by their parents, had a hard life similar to mine. I don't want to see anyone walk that path of life. I'm glad you both have great parents that are devoted to both of you. What about those who had that kind of rejection by their parents? Do you even care? Or it is all about "you".

Excuse me I do got the heart for others if you read my other threads...Someimtes most of the people just don't want to listen cheri.. I just posted that for a reason......... Yes at this thread its about me..... But my other threads are about other people and I happen to care and is that a crime???

 

[rockdrummer]

I wish parents here would take their minds off my age and see where I'm coming from too.

It's like when the spokesperson for a diet plan is trying to sell you on the diet but when you look at them, they are way out of shape themself. It's like getting mechanical advise from someone that knows nothing about mechanics. It's like a person that works at Wendy's as a fry cook giving you advise about your professional career. Just doesn't make sense. It's not your age that is the problem. It's that you don't have children and are not qualified to give advise or even form an educated opinion on the subject for that matter. You don't know what it's like. I would have more respect for your opinion on children if you had your own. I hope that makes sense to you.

 

[Fo'Shizzle]

Well for your information, Sweetmind does not want one at all regardless.. She is just saying that it is not worth it for those deaf kids. But I think otherwise...

Just ignore Sweetmind.

If you take time you look at all of YOUR post, you will notice that you said "you need to get cochlear implant" I have one and I think you should not say that regardless. It is like shoving in their throat. (because you don't have one and I do) Since I have one, I only can correct their misconception. and I only can support the idea of children implanted at younger age for better opportunity in the future as long the parent are fully informed and has factored in everything. so we, ci users, should not be shoving in their throat to get one right away but to share information, feedbacks and answers their questions ALSO correct their misconception.

So now I ask you to ease up! and refrain from telling those naysayers "you need to get a cochlear implant"

alright?
Cheers!

For your info Im not telling others they need CI..... Then Sweetmind needs to explain loud and clearly...

 

[Fo'Shizzle]

don't be ignorant! read her story! I read it and I learn who and where she's coming from!

Im not being igorant... Where is her story and I'll read thru it and I will make my statment

 

[rockdrummer]

Well, it seems the majority of hearing parents don't want deaf kids--they want kids who can hear because they don't understand that deaf people can indeed succeed (at the time they make the CI choice). Many find out after the CI and/or oralism decision.

Please, Majority?? Is this your personal experience or do you have some stats to back that up?