When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all.

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HOLD YOUR BREATH... CASSBUGS AND HEATH

Did Cheri stated *pointing finger to you* what issues about... ?

I don't see anything other thread and talking about refering whine about you.. She didn't..

Excuse me, You need wash your eyeballs again.. repeat, What Boult stated to you.. I understand clearly out of loud... What making you determinded about Cheri...
how can you think she is twisting her stories.. Tell me where the link.. bring it here..
I'm reading ready!

I'm listening.. rest of all you breath repeat it... Im not here debate.. and tired of you being *pointing finger*... Are you trying to wipe her breath out..

ENUFF!!!

Cheri want to know... "When are we allowed to let hearing people join our culture and all??" Did she pointing finger directly TO YOU?? Excuse me.. Read it title again.. BOLD WORD...

*sigh*
I cannot believe it .. you jumpy colusin... too quicker..
I read whole thing repeat.. now I can read clearly what she trying to stated..
but you putting her full of mouth.. Have she?
Tell me!?

gnulinuxman
I advise you, don't dare you putting people's mouth...again
Of course, I understand you're really hate CI.. don't let put their mouths off.. Please
Open mind and understanding...
Be yourself cannot accept their open two worlds..
I have to accept two worlds ways... as their own learn adapt ci and willing open mind to learn new things as "baby growth" themselves as Adult now.. They are Adult made their choice... otherwise, Hearing Parent who want provide their child have ci.. their choice... let them go.. until Child grown up will change their feelings toward to parent.. Not you.. Their own hands problem.. Not ours..

Just Pro vs cons THAT SIMPLE.. let it be!
 
Originally Posted by Heath
Cassbugs never forced anything on me. That is something I thought about long before I ever met Cassbugs. She has listened to me and we are able to chat online and she kept an open mind and understood where I am coming from which is alots more than I can say for most people and If you read carefully that she is happy for those who want a cochlear implant and she is also happy if you don't have one. Being able to hear again is a very personal thing and I am happy I can hear with my BTE hearing aid and I would support somebody's decision to get a BTE or CI because being able to hear helps makes life alots less lonely and much better and to go on with life.
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Nobody are against adult´s decision for CI because it´s their own decision. I don´t care either my friends are CI or HA users because I accept what they are and their own decision. Have you seen anyone who against adult´s decision for CI? Nope, but against CI on babies/toddler. I would suggest you re-read out posts.

The another thing that bothers me when I read the thread especially Cheri's posts is that people are backing up Cheri when they know that Cheri is not telling the truth
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Do you mean that Cheri is not tell the truth about her mother? I´m thrilling what ^Angel^ reacts after read your post. She is Cheri´s twin sister and had been through the same thing as Cheri as well. They stated repeated in different threads over their mother for past 2 years. My childhood was not happy one... same as them as well. I find very sad that you did not open your mind and accept Cheri´s story but label her as liar.

and it is not true then they say vemonous and harmful things that does not help the situation and if you listen to Cassbugs alittle more closely then you will truly understand what she is saying.
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Huh? I see different... All what I see the problem is the people are ignorant and refuse to see things what we have been through.
 
Cassbugs said:
Cheri its all about whats in parents hearts.... no Im not going to read the stories beacuse all parents should love thier own childrens, I can't imagtion if they don't
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You need to wake up to the real world out there. There ARE some parents out there who don't have any love for their own children. Tsk tsk on you for having NO compassion towards people who pour out their hearts with their stories about how they felt unloved while they were growing up. It really ticks me off to see heartless people like you.
 
Cheri said:
Honestly, I don't know what's wrong with some people here at AD, But you know what? I've seen enough. You have no idea where I came from, How I was raised in the same house that I've been treated like I'm a nobody.
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Don't worry about them. These people are the ones who are ignorants.
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Reply on GNU's post:

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No, it's called FORCING A KID to be something they're not. ................ Show's you have NO idea about parenting.

What about tomorrow's technology? It is also possible to "benefit" from the technology of the future, especially if it gets better. And why not raise the kid to be a deaf person? ................ Show's you have NOT read about best time for children to learn speech.In short... If I had waited with my daughter for new technology.. she would have heared perfectly due to new technology but not the capability to understand. What's the use of that?

It's unfair to withhold a child opportunities to be himself/herself. Also, kids on CI's are rarely taught the "essentials" of how to live deaf too especially since it's the parents who want the CI. By "essentials" I mean Deaf Culture, signing, lipreading, and other things. If the kid doesn't want to wear the CI (keeps knocking it off, for example), are you going to punish the kid or let the kid get away with not wearing it? ................ Shows you have no clue about "essentials". Look around you. There are many deaf/hoh people that are not connected to Deaf culture, that do not sign. In addition to that, With CI the child can still (and will - I see that from my daughter) lipread and sign. As for wanting to wear it.. CI gives them sound and if they can use it to communicate, they will happily wear it. At later times, they might want not to wear it. By then they have learned to speak (my daughter speaks as good with as she does without CI.) That would be a big benefit in my eyes...

...Nor are they naturally having circomsicion, nor are mothers naturally giving birth by ceasarian...
Those two examples have almost no effect on daily life of the child. CI's do. ................ Shows you just want to argue... fine... Accidents happen with boy's being circumcised (-no benefit at all, just a religious thing-) and women die due to the operations (- often performed just to prevent pain of labour -). Are you telling me that losing your penis or losing your mother at birth is no big deal?

See Liebling and Cheri's post for two examples of parents who do NOT love deaf kids for who they are. ................ Shows that you're grasping. There are plenty of other people on the forum that have positive experiences. There are people that hear that have CRAP parents. Sometimes it's not about deafness, it's about the crap parent.

And when your house in on fire, you can also think about all pro's and cons.... instead of acting!
WTF does THAT have to do with the CI? ................ Shows that you really love to use the "WTF" expression... as if that really makes it important.. The example indicates that sometimes you cannot think for too long, and you need to act straight away to get the best results.

No, it will be punished by the parents for refusing to wear it at the age of 5. ................ Shows again that you have no conception of parental feelings.

Naturally DEAF PEOPLE DO NOT HEAR. ................ And somtimes children are naturally born with 1 arm, whereas naturally people are born with 2 arms.... Naturally you know the difference between naturally and naturally but obviously you choose to ignore it... Otherwise... I would be right... right?

....you cover it up in stories about the parents, but in fact, you think that these deaf Ci-children are inferior..... Well, newsflash, they are NOT.
Read Liebling's and Cheri's posts again very carefully if you think this is so. ................ Shows again that you cannot read or fail to explain your problem.... Cheri and Liebling do not have CI so how would they express an inferiority-feeling? Try again and explain what's wrong with my sentence.


Deafness nowadays is becoming a choice. Identities of hoh/deaf has expanded to hoh/deaf/ci. Deal with it.
You keep claiming it is the parents' choice, not the kids' choice. You are right. A toddler is too young to make a choice. That's what parents are for. Children are too young to decide when the want to go to bed, to go to school, take a shower, get a vaccination shot, drink the medicine that will cure them, etc. That's what parents are for.

Seeing as how there are more cons than pros to getting a CI, ( as such stated in other topics), It is more responsible to NOT implant a child. You dont need to hear to be alive. And if a d/Deaf child is not good enough for you then you need to reconsider your morals and prejudices. Like it, love it, or leave it alone.
Impressive interpretation of the topics and posts. And according to my list a deaf child with CI has far more pro's living with it's hearing parents than con's. I dare to say that also for a deaf child with CI living with deaf parents there are more pro's than con's.... Care to sum them up?
Read Liebling's and Cheri's posts. ................ Shows again that you cannot read or fail to explain your problem.... Cheri and Liebling do not have CI.


And to finish off,
I'm happy for you that you enjoy the Deaf culture so much and sign language. But you can just experience it. You don't need to reject hearing in order to fit into the Deaf community. You can accept both.
Spanish and ASL are perhaps more interesting than english. For me, English and Sign are more interesting than Norwegian and Dutch. It all depends on the point of view.
Grow up, and learn to see the beauty in divergance. You don't need to throw away one in order to show how you love the other.

And please... leave the parenting to parents..
 
For once again... Did you read the story correct? Did I say the poor kids in South Africa or whose parents banned them? Did i say that? No I didn't Im talking about for those who think that their parents don't accept thier deafness? Thats the only I mention... No one isn't perfect... But I think it's bull that how you all twist stories around to try to make the person a bad guy. Well its not working because Im standing on my ground and do whats right... Its my word agaisnt yours.

I don't know why some of you think that your parents don't accept who you are since your deaf.. (I said ONLY parents who has deaf childrens didn't I?? ) I think personally that ALL parents love their own childrens no matter what...(Im going to make it loud and clear.. PARENTS OF DEAF CHILDRENS)! maybe back then it was new to them when they found out that you were deaf and it was all new to them.... Didn't know how to handle a deaf person... It takes a lot of work to handle a deaf person but once you learn how to handle one it get easier... Don't assume that your parents don't love you or accept you... Maybe for some of you, maybe some parents don't want you to learn to sign, maybe they want you to lip read?? Thought of that?? You can understand better...... maybe they just wanted you to learn, but some parents may allow their kids to learn sign and lip read... My parents won't let me sign since I had speech since I was very little and I speak great expect I can't say my s's in my words... But I do very well with my language... Which Im proud of and thank my parents for that!

But please it's stupid how some of you think your parents don't accpet for who you are.... You know well in your heart they do and they love you just like any parent would.....TALKING ABOUT DEAF CHILDRENS....We're no different than hearings.....
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This whole thread is about deafies..... Not in south africa or on and on!! My point is... if you are disable... dont assume that they don't love you... Because eventually the older you get they will realize what they missed out of life by raising you and realize they love you untill then it's way to late.. They will come into sense.. One of these days.... Get my point??

About the cochlear implant, I don't go forcing it down in people's throat... If the person want to get it then I will be gladly to stand beside the person.. Ive notice half of you guys bash on the people who wants a cochlear implant and think its wrong.. I also notice that one of the mods posted and said no bashing for those who are instersting in Cochlear implant.. and now you guys are turning it agaisnt me? Now thats kinda sad.... I asked heath why he perfer to be deaf becasue I was cerious.... No need for those to ask me whats wrong with people being deaf.... now thats a stupid question... That was between me and him and I asked him a question and I posted and told him what my side of the story was... Im not going to try to change his mind and never will in a million years becasue he's a grown man and he can make his own choice.. No harm in asking others questions.... Unlike some of you do... and some people take it way to personal...
One person didn't make it loud and clear, so I just gave her a idea BUT didn't know she was agaisnt cochlear implants.... Well excuse me and don't be a smart ass to me when Im just giving some idea's out there. Because I know that some of you can't get a cochlear implant because of insurance... so I was just being kind enough! For those who are being annoy dont' bother to ask me any questions because I did take my time to share what I thought...


For those who think Im ONLY thinking for myself... Puh Please!!! Read again ONCE again.... in my other threads.... I was just posting it to make my statment.. Im not out there to hurt anyone... Im not that kind of person... It's stupid of you guys turning it all around and twisting the story.. In almost all of the threads there is few people I actually agree most of the time... I may have some disagreements with the person but no one isn't perfect... But dont go HATING others... Jeez... thats really fricking sad....

again READ READ READ!!!!!!
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Originally Posted by Heath


Nobody are against adult´s decision for CI because it´s their own decision. I don´t care either my friends are CI or HA users because I accept what they are and their own decision. Have you seen anyone who against adult´s decision for CI? Nope, but against CI on babies/toddler. I would suggest you re-read out posts.

I have said before in another posts on another threads that I do support a CI but I do not support putting them on kids. A BTE hearing aid is good for both child and adult but a CI involves alittle bit more of responsiblity which a child is not ready for. A CI is really an adult's hearing aid.

Do you mean that Cheri is not tell the truth about her mother? I´m thrilling what ^Angel^ reacts after read your post. She is Cheri´s twin sister and had been through the same thing as Cheri as well. They stated repeated in different threads over their mother for past 2 years. My childhood was not happy one... same as them as well. I find very sad that you did not open your mind and accept Cheri´s story but label her as liar.

I never said Cheri's story about her mom was a lie or anything like that. My point was that Cheri keeps on posting in a bossy way almost like she acts like she owns AllDeaf when people know that is not true and it does not help that people back up Cheri even though Cheri is wrong. That is what I have a problem with and another AD'ers will agree with me on that one for sure.

Huh? I see different... All what I see the problem is the people are ignorant and refuse to see things what we have been through.
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People are not ignorant. People do listen but there comes a point when people start supporting somebody when they clearly know that she was wrong but defend her even though everybody knows she was wrong and many people are fed up with her.
 
Heath said:
People are not ignorant. People do listen but there comes a point when people start supporting somebody when they clearly know that she was wrong but defend her even though everybody knows she was wrong and many people are fed up with her.
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I clearly understand that loud and clear.... Your right about that 100% on that one!!!!
 
I never said Cheri's story about her mom was a lie or anything like that. My point was that Cheri keeps on posting in a bossy way almost like she acts like she owns AllDeaf when people know that is not true and it does not help that people back up Cheri even though Cheri is wrong. That is what I have a problem with and another AD'ers will agree with me on that one for sure.




I agree with you on that one....
 
Cassbugs said:
(cloggy)
I never said Cheri's story about her mom was a lie or anything like that. My point was that Cheri keeps on posting in a bossy way almost like she acts like she owns AllDeaf when people know that is not true and it does not help that people back up Cheri even though Cheri is wrong. That is what I have a problem with and another AD'ers will agree with me on that one for sure.




I agree with you on that one....
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Cloggy didn't stated that, Heath did. And look who cannot read?


Attention Heath, You've been reported to the moderators.
 
Cheri said:
Cloggy didn't stated that, Heath did. And look who cannot read?


Attention Heath, You've been reported to the moderators.
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OMG what you going to do??? I posted it on the wrong post....


OMG!!!! Im soo scared!
 
Cheri said:
Cloggy didn't stated that, Heath did. And look who cannot read?


Attention Heath, You've been reported to the moderators.
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What did heath do? Why is he been reported to the mods? He didn't do anything wrong and only posted what he thinks is right??? Everyone has their own rights to say whats on their mind.. Jeez
 
:popcorn: Enjoying the soap, but .....

What happened to
"When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all. "
 
Cloggy said:
:popcorn: Enjoying the soap, but .....

What happened to
"When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all. "
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You know I only posted 1 post before this all started... I don't understand why these people are twisting everything around... But I was thinking about what you just said, what happen to "when are we allowed to let hearing people join our culture"? But oh well... let the drama go!!!!
 
Heath said:
Attention Moderators:

See what Cheri did to manipulate the situation. She added Cloggy in the post then blamed Cassbugs saying she can't read then she put me on report as if I was a bad boy.

See the posting that Cheri made.

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=568263&postcount=270
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She did typed in Cloggy's name instead of your name. She change her post after I submit. Tell the truth Cassbug??
 
Originally Posted by Cassbugs
(cloggy)
I never said Cheri's story about her mom was a lie or anything like that. My point was that Cheri keeps on posting in a bossy way almost like she acts like she owns AllDeaf when people know that is not true and it does not help that people back up Cheri even though Cheri is wrong. That is what I have a problem with and another AD'ers will agree with me on that one for sure.




I agree with you on that one....
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Whoa.. you didn't pay attention first place..

wake up.. READ IT CAREFUL AGAIN.. btw too late you already spill your beans out...

btw.. done reported MOD..
Tired of it hearing what you stated pointing finger to her.. directly total WRONG!
enuff!
includes Heath too.. You spill out huge horrible naming on AD as your finger pointing..
tsk tsk..
I read whole thing.. my god..
went overboard way off the topic.. FYI!

Edit: Now you changing quicker and subject removed the cloggy...
*wow* :whistle: G'thing I caught you up!

:popcorn:
 
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Cassbugs said:
I think honestly that all parents need to implant there kids with Cochlear implant so the older they get the better they will know whats out in the real world... My mother would've gotten me implanted but I had enough hearing back then, so Im trying to get a CI as soon as I can... I find it great that all parents are implanting their childrens.... For those you think its wrong then thats your loss... parents want the BEST for their childrens!

God Bless You! :angel:
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see the bold, I won't personally say that at all. I will only say that CI does work and that benefit is greater when implanted at younger age. We know that It will not work for every deaf kids and adults. Heath made a good point after your post above in which you agreed to. So that bolded sentence is a example of "shoving in throat" which I don't condone.


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Cassbugs said:
Heath said:
Yeah I have a BTE hearing aid. The doctor said I qualify for a CI and I might take the doctor up on his offer but I will be sure to catch alots of hell if I get the CI and those in the Deaf community will tell me that I have lost a friend based on the issue of the CI which is really immature and it does show that they really never were my friends in the first place and I see that all the time with the Deafies and that is why I said to hell with it and I stick with true and tried good friends.
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You need to get a cochlear implant heath, those aren't your true friends if they really said that... They are immature about this... I think you would be amaze with CI if you got one and I hope the best for you... I would love to hear everything about it once you get it...If you get one
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That's another example...

Heath is only said "might" but when you replied with that bolded sentence. I wouldn't say that if I were you ( I know Heath will think you meant well ) but you don't represent the community of CI users like me. I don't condone that line of thinking.
I will not say that to Heath. I will only say "If you want one then go for it. if not then don't go for it"

That's why I told you to EASE UP! in other word back off.

I don't condone those people who tell other deaf people to get one or think that all parent of deaf kids get one. I will not condone that at all.

I will only correct the misconception that are spewed hereforth in AD on daily basis.
I will only offer answers to question asked by those curious about CI. If they needed more information, I can provides links, facts, stats and such.

I will not go around saying you need it at all. They have to go through the lengthy process to see if qualified. The outcome of the process in the end are not all the same for everyone. Although the majority are qualified and few are denied.

I was former anti-ci because I did not research. I just was idiot till I researched for 2 years and decided to get one. no one told me to "you need a cochlear implant" I consulted with all of my family. I didn't bother to mention to my circle of friends. they eventually found out. some did ask me "why didn't you tell me" I said "oh didn't want to brag" one said "oh no, could have told me"
 
Heath said:
Attention Moderators:

See what Cheri did to manipulate the situation. She added Cloggy in the post then blamed Cassbugs saying she can't read then she put me on report as if I was a bad boy.

See the posting that Cheri made to manipulate the situation without people noticing it.

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=568263&postcount=270
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Oh you hush up Heath boy. You did not see what Cassbugs had written down before she edited her post.
 
I read backwards... "re-read" whole post.. *discovered*
#233 Cassbugs' post

I'm all asking you.. Why you not going read it whole thing.. ? Open and listen their experiences anyone's feelings... Aren't you going... meaning you wanted to think yourself and speak it out *putting their mouth shut* Sound alike? Aren't you?

#240
I'm asking you When will you read it again??? When when.. (hmmm) I don't think so .. all you want avoid issues the mistake and avoid repair it..
IF suppose you re-read whole thing from 1pages to end..
you will say.. Oh oppiSe, Darn, I wish I should have not spill my mistake beans all over first place.. should have fixed first place but too late.. what have you done spill first place?
Instead Second opnions feedback.. (hmmm) huh?
SAD!

#246
Are you sure... you're not willing making re-correct statement?
:confused: but now you did... recent #269
 
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