What do you agree that Sex-offender parents pose dilemma for schools?

[Cheri]

Correction Cheri he was 12?

Opps!! I apologies. :Oops:

I firmly believe that a child will show a sign of serious problem, after being arrested and being treated as a criminal over a hug, or something so small. This is what happens when a law is changed the zero-tolerance policies have been used to arrest and punish students for the most ridiculous offenses, There's no lecture, there's no warnings, there's no call to home, It shows that zero-tolerance policies have gone too far. I thought it was just for children who brings a gun or any weapon to school, but it doesn't seem like it.

 

[jillio]

Sorry....

Once a sex offender, will always be a sex offender regardless of race, creed, color, orientation, disability or age.

It's been proven that they will re-offend, so therefore the schools have the right to ban sex offenders that are parents from coming onto school property to protect the safety of the children.

Sex offender does not automatically trasfer to pedophile. Pedophiles need to be banned to protect children. But what about an 18 year old who had sex (consenual) with a 16 year old, and was charged by the 16 year old's parents with statuatory rape? That 18 year old has to register as a sex offender. He should be banned from forever participating in his child's education and extracurricular events?

In this country, the punishment is supposed to fit the crime. The courts take mitigating circumstances into consideration. Perhaps you should, too.

And what about the number of "convicted rapists" who have been released after doing many years in prison claiming their innocence when DNA eveidence finally came to light that proved they were, indeed, innocent?
Conviction does not equal guilt in all cases.

 

[jillio]

I went back and skimmed some of the posts and pretty much get the jist of the situation and can only come up with one conclusion: There is your side of the story, their side of the story and the truth.

In my experiences with the court system has been positive, money or no money.

Sorry you feel different about it. :|

Exactly how much experience have you had with the court system? Justice in this country is very much dependent upon ability to pay. There are many more low income persons doing more time for crimes they may have been innocent of, and there are many more wealthy criminals walking around free becasue they were able to pay an attorney exhoribant amounts of money to find a "loop hole".

 

[jillio]

Opps!! I apologies. :Oops:

I firmly believe that a child will show a sign of serious problem, after being arrested and being treated as a criminal over a hug, or something so small. This is what happens when a law is changed the zero-tolerance policies have been used to arrest and punish students for the most ridiculous offenses, There's no lecture, there's no warnings, there's no call to home, It shows that zero-tolerance policies have gone too far. I thought it was just for children who brings a gun or any weapon to school, but it doesn't seem like it.

All our criminal justice system is able to accomplish the way it currently functions is to turn lesser offenders into better criminals.

 

[jillio]

Correction Cheri he was 12. And for your's and Angel's support on this. In the telling of my son's story, I had one thought in mind, and that was to wake people up to the injustices done in our juvenile justice system.

I realize there are injustices done in the adult system as well, but adults have BETTER coping mechanisms than these kids do. THE kids need our help more than adults do. At least Adults have a maximum and minimum they can spend. The kids dont even get the priviledge!

I think its outrageous that we can take 12 year old kids, convict them, send them away from their parents, and not even tell them how long they will have to serve for to repay their debt? BUT yewt it happens EVERYDAY in our juvenile justice system.

It's getting ridiculous and stupid! Our children are being criminalized! For god's sake isnt that enough to make people finally stand up and care?

Not only that but the schools are just as bad as the court system! OMG things are going crazy out there and we as a society are sitting down and allowing it to happen? What the hell?

Im not sure if it has ever been posted in here but, there is a story of a 3 or 5 year old cant remember which being suspended from school simply cause he or she hugged the teacher!!!! I ask you since when was it bad for our children to display affection? Are we really wanting teach our children from that age that to show someone love is wrong?

I ask you what are we doing to our CHILDREN? What is the message we want to send them???

Do we really want them labelled as a sex offender?

I am behind you 100% on this one, bear.

And I remember the post about the kindergarten student that was accused of sexual harrassment for hugging his teacher. It seem like too many people in this country have lost the abiltiy to use common sense.

 

[jillio]

It may be easy for all of us to say this, when we haven't yet walked a miles in her son's shoes. This is the mother's worst nightmare to see her son in a place like this when he is innocent.

You think everyone gets a fair trial, I would think again if I were you. be very glad it's not you in there.

Yep, I hope Byrdie never gets arrested. The justice system does not serve the deaf well, at all.

 

[Bear]

Jillio, Angel, and Cheri several well made points! You guys would make great advocates, which is what I am trying to do. Is to advocate change. But I really have no idea what it is I am doing. I am going on this blindly. Any one interested in advocating for a better juvenile justice system?

Byrdie there was a time, I was just like you and thought everything was in black and white! However, I had a hard learned lesson that it is definitely not a black and white issue.

 

[jillio]

Jillio, Angel, and Cheri several well made points! You guys would make great advocates, which is what I am trying to do. Is to advocate change. But I really have no idea what it is I am doing. I am going on this blindly. Any one interested in advocating for a better juvenile justice system?

Byrdie there was a time, I was just like you and thought everything was in black and white! However, I had a hard learned lesson that it is definitely not a black and white issue.

They tell me I am a born advocate, Bear! Just point me in the direction of injustice!

 

[Bear]

Sex offender does not automatically trasfer to pedophile. Pedophiles need to be banned to protect children. But what about an 18 year old who had sex (consenual) with a 16 year old, and was charged by the 16 year old's parents with statuatory rape? That 18 year old has to register as a sex offender. He should be banned from forever participating in his child's education and extracurricular events?

In this country, the punishment is supposed to fit the crime. The courts take mitigating circumstances into consideration. Perhaps you should, too.

And what about the number of "convicted rapists" who have been released after doing many years in prison claiming their innocence when DNA eveidence finally came to light that proved they were, indeed, innocent?
Conviction does not equal guilt in all cases.

Jillio, I couldn't have said it better myself. And another thing I wanna add what about 8-9 year olds slapping a girl on the butt? They too were being charged as sex offenders. Do they deserve to be left out of their children's academic futures as well?

My own son was taken at 12 years old. When they convicted him they didnt say he was serving 3-5 years. They just sent him off to a foster home. Then the caseworker decided she didn't like my son, and made sure he ended up where he is now. My son's OWN FOSTER MOTHER will collaborate that. She quit being a foster parent for this county due to that caseworker! Cause that same caseworker tried to do the same thing to my son's brother when he ended up in foster care.

Now the brother wasn't my child, but I do know he got taken away from his mother because she left the kids home alone, ranging in ages from 13 to 3. All of the kids got taken away from her. These kids were my son's brother's and sister's. Same father,different mothers!

When the caseworker tried to do the same thing to my son's brother, the foster mother got fed up and reported her and quit for this county.

But my point here is, why is it that adults when sentenced are told like you get 25 years to life, but when kids are sentenced they have NO time frame?

Why is it that, punishments do not always fit the crime? Is it fair for a child such as my son to serve 4 years or more for a crime such as this, when a deputy sheriff here was convicted of having sex with a 14 year old and only serve 15 months? Where is the justice in that?

Is it fair that kids are serving all of this time for crimes, when you have adults commiting murder and only serving 3 years? Oh yes, this happened here too! Tell me, why should my son face the possibility of serving a full 9 years *which he could*, when you have adults doing worse that is serving less time?

I really believe people need to wake up!!! I can understand it when children commit really horrendous crimes, such as the one where these kids gang raped a woman and then forced her to perform oral sex on her son, serving the most harsh sentence they can give them!

But why should children serve 4 years or more for slapping another on the butt? Does the punishments really fit the crime??

Unless we all do something, this is the future we are creating for our children people!!! When will you wake up? When it is one of your own children??

 

[Bear]

They tell me I am a born advocate, Bear! Just point me in the direction of injustice!

LMao Jillio you sure seem to be! Well for starters, I believe we need to look at the zero tolerance policies in our schools. And stop more criminalization of our children. Then maybe take on the juvenile justice system. This is something every single person should be concerned about! Not just a chosen few!

 

[Byrdie714]

It may be easy for all of us to say this, when we haven't yet walked a miles in her son's shoes. This is the mother's worst nightmare to see her son in a place like this when he is innocent.

You think everyone gets a fair trial, I would think again if I were you. be very glad it's not you in there.

:roll:

Everyone does get a fair trial! I would gladly trade places with Bear if I could but I can't-- I'm not Bear.

Yet the one thing I can do is give advice on "working the system".

 

[Byrdie714]

Agreed!! There are many innocent men and women in prison who are wrongly convicted of sex offenses. There are many false accusations being made toward to those people who are innocent.

just because of your experiences of court system has been positive, it may not be a way that works for everyone, Byrdie714. Don't fool yourself that the court gives everyone a fair justice, the court usual believes the victims with or without evidences. There are a lot of holes in the justice system. I've seen someone was in prison for only 5 years for manslaughter so you tell me is the justice system broken? You decide.

With bear's son he was only 10 years old, he couldn't stand up for himself and fight back. Who would believe a 10 years old? Would you?

The court system does work! I don't people understand how it works. It's big, it's slow and bureaucratic. There are a lot of laws that have to be taken into consideration, not only the ones that he/she has been charged with.

As for the individual charged with manslaughter for 5 years, chances are--they struct a deal with the D.A. which is legitate.

Don't like it? Blame it on the legislators, not the judicial system.

 

[Byrdie714]

Sex offender does not automatically trasfer to pedophile. Pedophiles need to be banned to protect children. But what about an 18 year old who had sex (consenual) with a 16 year old, and was charged by the 16 year old's parents with statuatory rape? That 18 year old has to register as a sex offender. He should be banned from forever participating in his child's education and extracurricular events?

In this country, the punishment is supposed to fit the crime. The courts take mitigating circumstances into consideration. Perhaps you should, too.

And what about the number of "convicted rapists" who have been released after doing many years in prison claiming their innocence when DNA eveidence finally came to light that proved they were, indeed, innocent?
Conviction does not equal guilt in all cases.

They usually get a letter of a apology and suitable compensation from the State.

 

[Byrdie714]

Exactly how much experience have you had with the court system? Justice in this country is very much dependent upon ability to pay. There are many more low income persons doing more time for crimes they may have been innocent of, and there are many more wealthy criminals walking around free becasue they were able to pay an attorney exhoribant amounts of money to find a "loop hole".

More than I ever wanted to know.....

 

[Byrdie714]

Sorry you are going through this Bear.

 

[Bear]

ty Byrdie but unfortunately in the juvenile justice system there is no fair trial. I have learned alot over the years.

In the juvenile justice system trials are done the same as they would be in adult court believe this or not!

In the juvenile justice system trials are not heard by a jury of 12 men and women they are heard by a single trial judge.

If things had been done the same in the juvenile justice system as it is done in adult court. Then I truly believe my son and I would have had a fighting chance.

Tell me why it is in adult court that if I had accused you of rape, my whole past sexual history would have been brought out to life by your lawyer? Why is it that in juvenile court this is not so? The child my son was accused of *raping* was blamed 4 yes FOUR different times of raping and molesting other children!!! Why is that child still wandering around free and living with his mother, and never faced the inside of the court room? WHAT IS THIS TEACHING OUR CHILDREN???

To me it is teaching them that some people are favored while others are not. As for the foster father killing his 10 year old foster daughter, there was no plea bargain deal, he pleaded self defense and the judge agreed with that and gave him 3 years for INVOLUNTARY manslaughter!

Why would a grown man need to use such extreme measures of self defense against a 10 year old girl? It was even said that he didnt stab her just once but a total of 4 times! Does this sound like self defense to you?

Byrdie while you say your sorry that I am going through this. I appreciate that I do, I just wish you could know and see the injustices done every single day in our courtrooms!

 

[jillio]

LMao Jillio you sure seem to be! Well for starters, I believe we need to look at the zero tolerance policies in our schools. And stop more criminalization of our children. Then maybe take on the juvenile justice system. This is something every single person should be concerned about! Not just a chosen few!

I agree completely. Today, someone else's child, tomorrow, your own child. To those who believe, "It could never happen to me," you need to wake up. We cannot tolerate what is happening to someone else's child just because it is not our own child.

 

[jillio]

They usually get a letter of a apology and suitable compensation from the State.

They only get compensation from the state if they choose to file a civil lawsuit for wrongful conviction and imprisonment.

And money makes up for the time lost with family? How do you decide how much a year is worth?

And, oops, I'm sorry just doesn't cut it.

 

[jillio]

The court system does work! I don't people understand how it works. It's big, it's slow and bureaucratic. There are a lot of laws that have to be taken into consideration, not only the ones that he/she has been charged with.

As for the individual charged with manslaughter for 5 years, chances are--they struct a deal with the D.A. which is legitate.

Don't like it? Blame it on the legislators, not the judicial system.

The judicial system does not function in an equitable manner. And most of the time it has nothing to do with law, but with SES, race, and abiltiy to but buy oneself a lesser sentence through high priced legal representation. And, if our justice system is so effective, how do you account for the discrepancies in prison populations?

 

[Cheri]

They usually get a letter of a apology and suitable compensation from the State.

Their apology is not enough nor a small compensation from the state, They had to stay locked up for something they did not do and the system failed them by taking all those years away from them. no amount of money or an apologies can make that up to them.