Trayvon Case Investigation

[kokonut]

Uh, Zimmerman already admitted to shooting him.

Yes, initially, which is probably the case. Again, until the scenario is played out to the court and the evidence presented we'll know more exactly how that happened. I'm just providing an example.

 

[Waterboy]

Like I said, inside the human skull isn't always so smooth. Each person's skull development is different where some protrusion may be a bit rugged that blow to the head in that area could cause problems. A head blow doesn't have to be hard. Review the medical history of people getting blows to the head that wasn't even serious at all who ended up having neurological complications.

http://repub.eur.nl/res/pub/12657/Smits_Imaging in Minor Head Injury.pdf


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Which is why people with minor head injuries when stuck in a particular way sometimes ended up having complications while those with more serious head injuries sometimes get away on developing no neurological complications.

What does this have to do with George? He didn't have any brain damage the night of the shooting. He didn't have a concussion the night of the shooting. And he hasn't been diagnosed with any brain damage since the night of the shooting. No doctor has said that he is at risk of any kind of complications. The EMTs didn't even think his injuries were bad enough for a doctor to check him out. This is just all a try to exaggerate his injuries because the fatal injuries he inflicted can't be denied.

 

[Waterboy]

Yes, initially, which is probably the case. Again, until the scenario is played out to the court and the evidence presented we'll know more exactly how that happened. I'm just providing an example.

Probably? He admitted it. Why would he claim self defense if he didn't already admit to shooting him?

You brought up the guy that took pics of his head right after the shooting. He even told that guy to call his wife and tell her he just shot someone.

Do you really think he is going to go into court now and say, I didn't mean it. Trayvon took my gun and shot himself.

 

[kokonut]

What does this have to do with George? He didn't have any brain damage the night of the shooting. He didn't have a concussion the night of the shooting. And he hasn't been diagnosed with any brain damage since the night of the shooting. No doctor has said that he is at risk of any kind of complications. The EMTs didn't even think his injuries were bad enough for a doctor to check him out. This is just all a try to exaggerate his injuries because the fatal injuries he inflicted can't be denied.

Even minor head injuries could manifest itself weeks or even months later. Not even a EMT can detect those kinds of injuries. It's always a possibility. All the EMT can do is to assess any signs of an obvious concussion. Of course, the longer you go without any symptoms the less likely there are any brain injuries or damage around it.

 

[Waterboy]

Even minor head injuries could manifest itself weeks or even months later. Not even a EMT can detect those kinds of injuries. It's always a possibility. All the EMT can do is to assess any signs of an obvious concussion. Of course, the longer you go without any symptoms the less likely there are any brain injuries or damage around it.

Exaggeration. He had a couple of cuts not even big enough to need stitches. He claimed a broken nose, but there is no evidence of that at all. We don't even know at this point how he got those little head cuts that didn't even need stitches. So to talk about possible brain damage is just trying to exaggerate things to make killing a 17 year old kid look justifiable.

 

[kokonut]

Probably? He admitted it. Why would he claim self defense if he didn't already admit to shooting him?

You brought up the guy that took pics of his head right after the shooting. He even told that guy to call his wife and tell her he just shot someone.

Do you really think he is going to go into court now and say, I didn't mean it. Trayvon took my gun and shot himself.

Yes, probably and most likely, too. It's the ensuing confusion of a struggle that needs to get cleared up in court. Do you know exactly how the struggle went? What position Trayvon was in when he received the bullet? Where exactly was Zimmerman in relation to Trayvon? Do you know all of the exact details? Like I said, again, we don't have all of the facts at our disposal. Let the court clear it up for us.

 

[kokonut]

Exaggeration. He had a couple of cuts not even big enough to need stitches. He claimed a broken nose, but there is no evidence of that at all. We don't even know at this point how he got those little head cuts that didn't even need stitches. So to talk about possible brain damage is just trying to exaggerate things to make killing a 17 year old kid look justifiable.

Not really an exaggeration but a reality that even minor head injuries could result in complications days, weeks or even months later. I was pointing out that not even an EMT can detect a brain injury that won't manifest itself until days or weeks later. That was my point. Calm down, dude.

As for a broken nose, let the court see if there's any evidence. It's not our call. If the EMT reported a broken nose then we'll know.

Once again, let the court answer our questions since they will have on hands all of the evidence presented to them.

 

[CrazyPaul]

If George was being hit hard enough and repeatedly enough to cause brain injury, he wouldn't have been able to react and shoot.

Thanks for pointing it out. Yes, that's right. That's why he had to shoot in self-defense before it would get worse like causing brain damage which could lead to coma or death.

 

[Waterboy]

Not really an exaggeration but a reality that even minor head injuries could result in complications days, weeks or even months later. I was pointing out that not even an EMT can detect a brain injury that won't manifest itself until days or weeks later. That was my point. Calm down, dude.

As for a broken nose, let the court see if there's any evidence. It's not our call. If the EMT reported a broken nose then we'll know.

Once again, let the court answer our questions since they will have on hands all of the evidence presented to them.

Right. His broken nose healed so well and so quick, but he might have some kind of brain damage in the future. Yeah, its exaggeration.

If the EMT had found a broken nose he would have been taken to the hospital that night. Do you have any idea how painful a broken nose is? How much it swells right away?

But yeah. I am waiting to see the medical reports on severe injuries. Surely George will have medical reports to show the court. I am also waiting for autopsy reports to see if there was any bruising or cuts on Trayvon's body that would show a fight like George described.

 

[Waterboy]

Thanks for pointing it out. Yes, that's right. That's why he had to shoot in self-defense before it would get worse like causing brain damage which could lead to coma or death.

You misunderstood what was said.

So, someone pushes you and you fall down and bump your head, you have the right to kill them?

 

[CrazyPaul]

Right. His broken nose healed so well and so quick, but he might have some kind of brain damage in the future. Yeah, its exaggeration.

If the EMT had found a broken nose he would have been taken to the hospital that night. Do you have any idea how painful a broken nose is? How much it swells right away?

His black friend said that GZ didn't feel pain that night because the blood in his body pumped so hard after the incident. Then next day he went to a doctor who found out that his nose was broken.

 

[kokonut]

Right. His broken nose healed so well and so quick, but he might have some kind of brain damage in the future. Yeah, its exaggeration.

If the EMT had found a broken nose he would have been taken to the hospital that night. Do you have any idea how painful a broken nose is? How much it swells right away?

But yeah. I am waiting to see the medical reports on severe injuries. Surely George will have medical reports to show the court. I am also waiting for autopsy reports to see if there was any bruising or cuts on Trayvon's body that would show a fight like George described.

Again, let the court see the evidence on the extent of GZ's injuries. Have you seen the EMT's report?

 

[CrazyPaul]

You misunderstood what was said.

So, someone pushes you and you fall down and bump your head, you have the right to kill them?

Why off the point? Your quote: "If George was being hit hard enough and repeatedly enough to cause brain injury, he wouldn't have been able to react and shoot."

What would you do if you were GZ? Let TM beat you up to death?

 

[Waterboy]

His black friend said that GZ didn't feel pain that night because the blood in his body pumped so hard after the incident. Then next day he went to a doctor who found out that his nose was broken.

What Black friend would that be? The one that was a coworker of George's and admitted he hadn't even spoken to him for weeks and weeks before the incident, that is a PR agent and came out blazing right after the incident but has since disappeared after he was publicly discredited and hasn't been heard from since? The Black friend that wasn't even there that night, and did not speak to George about the incident until the protests started a month later?

If George went to the doctor with a broken nose, there will be doctor's reports. Hope he can present them to the court.

 

[Waterboy]

Why off the point? Your quote: "If George was being hit hard enough and repeatedly enough to cause brain injury, he wouldn't have been able to react and shoot."

What would you do if you were GZ? Let TM beat you up to death?

I wouldn't have been hunting down kids that I thought were suspicious when they were doing nothing more suspicious than walking home. I wouldn't have gotten out of my vehicle and chased a kid down. Therefore, I would not be in the position of "letting someone beat me up to death."

If Goerge hadn't decided to do all that, he wouldn't have been put in that position either.

I guess if you don't want to take a chance on getting your azz whupped, then you shouldn't go around chasing people down and accusing them of being somewhere they don't have every right to be.

 

[Waterboy]

Again, let the court see the evidence on the extent of GZ's injuries. Have you seen the EMT's report?

No. But I know that the EMTs did not transport. If there was a suspicion of severe injuries, they would have transported. The police don't want to take someone in for questioning when they have severe injuries. Liability. They have injured people under arrest transported all the time just to make sure they are ok before they take them in for questioning or to lock them up for even little things.

 

[kokonut]

I wouldn't have been hunting down kids that I thought were suspicious when they were doing nothing more suspicious than walking home. I wouldn't have gotten out of my vehicle and chased a kid down. Therefore, I would not be in the position of "letting someone beat me up to death."

If Goerge hadn't decided to do all that, he wouldn't have been put in that position either.

I guess if you don't want to take a chance on getting your azz whupped, then you shouldn't go around chasing people down and accusing them of being somewhere they don't have every right to be.

Speculative.

 

[kokonut]

No. But I know that the EMTs did not transport. If there was a suspicion of severe injuries, they would have transported. The police don't want to take someone in for questioning when they have severe injuries. Liability. They have injured people under arrest transported all the time just to make sure they are ok before they take them in for questioning or to lock them up for even little things.

Good. So, you know nothing about any reports. The EMT would be the first to see the extent of his injury and I imagine would be questioned for it in court or least on paper to be presented in court about the nature of his injury. And I imagine there'd be other reports about other findings on what led to that injury, etc.

Sit back and wait until the court is done with this whole thing.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I wouldn't have been hunting down kids that I thought were suspicious when they were doing nothing more suspicious than walking home. I wouldn't have gotten out of my vehicle and chased a kid down. Therefore, I would not be in the position of "letting someone beat me up to death."

If Goerge hadn't decided to do all that, he wouldn't have been put in that position either.

I guess if you don't want to take a chance on getting your azz whupped, then you shouldn't go around chasing people down and accusing them of being somewhere they don't have every right to be.

It doesn't matter how it started. What WOULD you do if someone repeatedly bang your head very hard and you couldn't defend yourself without shooting? TM should not beat him up in the first place. I believe that he was violent that night because he DIDN'T LIKE TO BE WATCHED.

 

[Waterboy]

It doesn't matter how it started. What WOULD you do if someone repeatedly bang your head very hard and you couldn't defend yourself without shooting? TM should not beat him up in the first place. I believe that he was violent that night because he DIDN'T LIKE TO BE WATCHED.

It does matter how it started. If George had just minded his own business and stayed in his car, he wouldn't have been in a position to get his azz whupped. There would have been nothing to defend himself from.

What would you do if you were minding your own business walking home, and someone came up to you after you noticed them following you and started giving you shyt about why you were on a public sidewalk?