The sun and the earth... on cued speech

No, sorry, I cannot supply... you will have to find someone else
Do you still use crack yourself? Are you going to distribute it?

Then you are just naturally this confused? Nice try at the questions intended to trap, cloggy, but that's an old trick. Bette find someone more stoned than you are to pull that one on.
 
Why contribute to a program that has been cut through budget constraints due to its ineffectiveness?
If "ineffectiveness" would be a measure to continue to use resources, we would not be running Windows software.....

Why do you think CS was cut due to "ineffectiveness".... did that just pop up?
must be the merry-go-round...
Instead of "ineffectiveness" it could be political....
 
My friend replied...she said she thinks Gallaudet still offers CS classes but is not sure cuz nobody that she knows at Gallaudet ever talked about CS or those classes.
 
Then you are just naturally this confused? Nice try at the questions intended to trap, cloggy, but that's an old trick. Bette find someone more stoned than you are to pull that one on.
Denial.... OK
:bye:
 
If "ineffectiveness" would be a measure to continue to use resources, we would not be running Windows software.....

Why do you think CS was cut due to "ineffectiveness".... did that just pop up?
must be the merry-go-round...
Instead of "ineffectiveness" it could be political....

Because it is standard procedure to cut those programs that are the least effective in academia. Obviously, you know nothing regarding academia. It has already been stated that it was due to budget constraints. Try to focus, cloggy.
 
My friend replied...she said she thinks Gallaudet still offers CS classes but is not sure cuz nobody that she knows at Gallaudet ever talked about CS or those classes.

Hmmmmm.......interesting.
 
Hmmmmm.......interesting.

I think it is still the same as it was 5 years ago. Just offer classes to those who want to learn it not classes about the history of it or anything like that.
 
Denial.... OK
:bye:

Denial has nothing to do with it. You have jsut been busted on your feeble attempts to manipulate language. And, you are woefully off topic. But that is typical for you as well.
 
I think it is still the same as it was 5 years ago. Just offer classes to those who want to learn it not classes about the history of it or anything like that.

Evidently, there aren't many that want to learn it.
 
Evidently, there aren't many that want to learn it.

Funny, I was just thinking about it and I realized that only my hearing former classmates from the Deaf ed program took those CS classes. I remember one deaf girl questioning it in one language acquistion classes. She grew up with the BiBI approach and I remember her question was "Why have it when we have two wonderful languages that deaf children can learn?" I cant remember what the professors response to that question. It was so long ago.
 
My friend replied...she said she thinks Gallaudet still offers CS classes but is not sure cuz nobody that she knows at Gallaudet ever talked about CS or those classes.


shel90-

HSL 690 Introduction to Cued Speech (2)
This course covers the history and development of Cued
Speech (CS) with a focus on learning the CS system. Topics
include: CS interpreting; application of CS to various
populations; compatibility of CS with methodologies
designed for deaf and hard of hearing people; benefits of
CS to speechreading, pre-reading skills, auditory training
techniques, and oral language development


HSL 712 Cued Speech Seminar (1)
Seminar on instruction of the entire Cued Speech system:
History, theory, and practical application of Cued Speech


www.alldeaf.com
 
Well I've decided to teach CS to myself. I have one child who
is struggling with his reading. He signs well, appears to hear
well, and is very creative and knows his phonics. So if it is
a developmental thing, (he is only 7) this may help. I will
report here on our progress.
 
Well I've decided to teach CS to myself. I have one child who
is struggling with his reading. He signs well, appears to hear
well, and is very creative and knows his phonics. So if it is
a developmental thing, (he is only 7) this may help. I will
report here on our progress.

fredfam - Have you been able to locate a chart for English?
In case you don't have this, it is a good site: GAINING CUED SPEECH PROFICIENCY

Please pm me if you feel that I may be of any assistance. :)
 
My Newest Homeschool Project

OK I found the English CS chart.
I've mapped out my lesson plan.
But I've forgotten how to start a new thread! Help!:giggle:
 
My ten year olds reaction to CS intro

After introducing her to the concept (via the chart) She
looked at me and asked, "Why can't we just fingerspell
our words?" I said, "Because this is a way to show the
sounds the words make on your hands." She looked
confused for a moment, and then I said, "Oh honey
this is not sign language." She said, "its Not?" I said
no and explained using the word phone, and showing
her that it was spelled phonetically foen. She said,
"Oh I get it!" But the boys greeted the project with
groans until I bribed them with 16 days of CS instead
of math. They must master one handshape one day
and one position the next. There are 8 hand shapes
and 8 positions. Tomorrow we begin!
 
After introducing her to the concept (via the chart) She
looked at me and asked, "Why can't we just fingerspell
our words?" I said, "Because this is a way to show the
sounds the words make on your hands." She looked
confused for a moment, and then I said, "Oh honey
this is not sign language." She said, "its Not?" I said
no and explained using the word phone, and showing
her that it was spelled phonetically foen. She said,
"Oh I get it!" But the boys greeted the project with
groans until I bribed them with 16 days of CS instead
of math. They must master one handshape one day
and one position the next. There are 8 hand shapes
and 8 positions. Tomorrow we begin!


I'm a bit confused. If your daughter already has enough of a grasp of phonics to understand the difference between actually spelling and phonetic spelling, why is it that phonetic information can't be introduced withi fingerspelling. That would provide her with actual spelling information as well as the phonetic information. She already has the ability to hear the difference, so she is not dealing with the ambiguity of relying on solely visual information via lipreading. That is where CS is useful. In providing phonetic information that is normally heard in a visual manner for the individual that cannot hear the information and cannot see the difference via lip reading.

CS instead of math? For children that are not suffering from literacy or language difficulties? That kind of follows the same philosophy of neglecting core academic subjects in order to spend inordinate amounts of time focusing on speech and speech reading that is so prevalent in oral only programs designed for deaf children, isn't it?
 
I think it's great to open one's perspective and invest time in something that can be very beneficial.
Go for it fredfam1..

And I wouldn't take too much advice from someone who has never used it, like me, or Jillio.
Keep in contact with loml who practices CS fulltime, including teaching adults and children.

HAve a great experience..
 
I'm a bit confused. If your daughter already has enough of a grasp of phonics to understand the difference between actually spelling and phonetic spelling, why is it that phonetic information can't be introduced withi fingerspelling. That would provide her with actual spelling information as well as the phonetic information. She already has the ability to hear the difference, so she is not dealing with the ambiguity of relying on solely visual information via lipreading. That is where CS is useful. In providing phonetic information that is normally heard in a visual manner for the individual that cannot hear the information and cannot see the difference via lip reading.

CS instead of math? For children that are not suffering from literacy or language difficulties? That kind of follows the same philosophy of neglecting core academic subjects in order to spend inordinate amounts of time focusing on speech and speech reading that is so prevalent in oral only programs designed for deaf children, isn't it?

We do things together as a group. Most of the time. She is exceptional.
She taught herself to read at 4 after my introduction to phonics. I tested
her and she now reads at a 12th grade 3rd month level with a 93 % comprehension level. She is 10 years old. Intrestingly enough
she is only at grade level in math. The wonderful thing about home schooling
is I can taylor my program to what I want. I take breaks whenever I want for field trips and for plays and whatever. As for neglecting math, I have
tutored kids falling behind in public school and neglecting core programs for
social engineering and propagandizing is one of their major problems.Only their kids never seem to get back to the core program. The reason I am trying this approach is for my 7 year old who appears to be having some slight developmental delays in reading. I want to test CS to
see if the use of the sounds at the same time as making them with his hands will spur his central nervous system development in this area. It is an experiment. I am always open to learning new and interesting things. I think taking 18 days out of my math program, which is not behind is a reasonable
approach to motivate the boys interest. Besides, when I went to the Deaf Poker Tournament in Grand Ronde to meet some Deaf people, I communicated with some Deaf who knew ASL, some who used SEE and one who cued with his friends. Since there are many generations of Deaf who were forced to use oralisum it seems only nice to learn to use it as well. I can see after looking at it where knowing it would have helped me understand the speech better of
my husbands Deaf cousin. Thats what he had been forced to learn. His speech was awful and you had to be around him for weeks befor you could understand him. If I had this tool to use I may have been able to help him more. I believe in learning everything in ones areas of interest.
 
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