The sun and the earth... on cued speech

[jillio]

We do things together as a group. Most of the time. She is exceptional.
She taught herself to read at 4 after my introduction to phonics. I tested
her and she now reads at a 12th grade 3rd month level with a 93 % comprehension level. She is 10 years old. Intrestingly enough
she is only at grade level in math. The wonderful thing about home schooling
is I can taylor my program to what I want. I take breaks whenever I want for field trips and for plays and whatever. As for neglecting math, I have
tutored kids falling behind in public school and neglecting core programs for
social engineering and propagandizing is one of their major problems.Only their kids never seem to get back to the core program. The reason I am trying this approach is for my 7 year old who appears to be having some slight developmental delays in reading. I want to test CS to
see if the use of the sounds at the same time as making them with his hands will spur his central nervous system development in this area. It is an experiment. I am always open to learning new and interesting things. I think taking 18 days out of my math program, which is not behind is a reasonable
approach to motivate the boys interest. Besides, when I went to the Deaf Poker Tournament in Grand Ronde to meet some Deaf people, I communicated with some Deaf who knew ASL, some who used SEE and one who cued with his friends. Since there are many generations of Deaf who were forced to use oralisum it seems only nice to learn to use it as well. I can see after looking at it where knowing it would have helped me understand the speech better of
my husbands Deaf cousin. Thats what he had been forced to learn. His speech was awful and you had to be around him for weeks befor you could understand him. If I had this tool to use I may have been able to help him more. I believe in learning everything in ones areas of interest.

Thanks for the explanation. I'll be interested to see if CS is, in fact, useful to a child with normal hearing and no diagnosed LD or developmental delays. Please keep us informed as to your results.

While I agree that CS could be useful in assisting another cuer in understanding a deaf individual's speech, it would have been necessary for both to be cuers. But, then again, according to loml, CS is not a tool for developing speech and speech reading skills. Its unfortunate that your husband's Deaf cousin was limited to that language which was the most difficult and restrictive.

 

[fredfam1]

Yes and he was fortunate enough to have family members
who worked very hard to try and understand him. It was
his own mother who sabotauged our efforts. She hated
our teaching him sign or anything. She used to tell him
he would loose his SSI check if he did learn sign. It
was very sad. She was a sick, strange woman.

 

[fredfam1]

Todays hand shape

Oh the kids are loving this! I wrote the sounds for the first handshape
on their index fingers and I wrote HS 1 on their fist. My 10 year old
reminded me they weren't supposed to write on themselves. I reminded
her that mommys' fifty year old memory wasn't working as well as it used
to and this was one of those exceptions.
The part they like best is this is one of those times where I am learning
something brand new as well, so they try to beat me at mastry. And they
often succeed. Todays hand shape is hand shape 1. The sounds are
d,p,and zh. The question is can I remember this befor the kids do? The
race is on!

 

[loml]

frefam - How very intrigueing! Ever though of keeping a vidoe diary of your hoem school programs? Often parents who are feeling timid, whether it be ASL, SEE, Cued Speech or how to set up the clasroom, really benefit from a video diary. Just a thought.

His speech was awful and you had to be around him for weeks befor you could understand him. If I had this tool to use I may have been able to help him more. I believe in learning everything in ones areas of interest.

fredfam - It is never too late to learn CS. Even though Dr. Cornett never intended CS to be a speech tool, the man really was a genuis, the fact that it can/does work with speech, if one chooses this approach, is really a bonus.

Pm me anytime!

 

[fredfam1]

frefam - How very intrigueing! Ever though of keeping a vidoe diary of your hoem school programs? Often parents who are feeling timid, whether it be ASL, SEE, Cued Speech or how to set up the clasroom, really benefit from a video diary. Just a thought.



fredfam - It is never too late to learn CS. Even though Dr. Cornett never intended CS to be a speech tool, the man really was a genuis, the fact that it can/does work with speech, if one chooses this approach, is really a bonus.

Pm me anytime!

I am such a ham that I would probably do well with this. Except then
other people would see my messy classroom. I suppose I could clean up
the area in the view finder range. Or make the kids do it. They are hams
too!

 

[loml]

I am such a ham that I would probably do well with this. Except then
other people would see my messy classroom. I suppose I could clean up
the area in the view finder range. Or make the kids do it. They are hams
too!

LOL....sounds god to me!

 

[loml]

Cue Script

frefam- Cueing can also be written out in cue script.

Some people really like to have this extra learning tool.

For example:

NO MATH FOR NOW

4s/f 5t7s 5s/f3s 4s5t

etc.

 

[jillio]

Yes and he was fortunate enough to have family members
who worked very hard to try and understand him. It was
his own mother who sabotauged our efforts. She hated
our teaching him sign or anything. She used to tell him
he would loose his SSI check if he did learn sign. It
was very sad. She was a sick, strange woman.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely.

 

[fredfam1]

frefam- Cueing can also be written out in cue script.

Some people really like to have this extra learning tool.

For example:

NO MATH FOR NOW

4s/f 5t7s 5s/f3s 4s5t

etc.

Does the forward slash mean "transition to" ?
For the word no, 4s means handshape 4, does
the S mean side? Then does the F mean forward?
So that hand shape 4s/f means 4 sound n: s placement
to the side: f placement to the side and forward for the
long oe sound? Is this correct?

 

[fredfam1]

Having studied learning disabilities for personal reasons, (I was in college
before I discovered I was dyslexic) I know exactly what areas I am
weak in. (pattern recognition, sequencing and ratios) I predict that
this exercise will be very good for me personally in strengthening these
areas. I also can understand why loml prefers this method! Look at his
logo. He LIKES math!

 

[jillio]

Having studied learning disabilities for personal reasons, (I was in college
before I discovered I was dyslexic) I know exactly what areas I am
weak in. (pattern recognition, sequencing and ratios) I predict that
this exercise will be very good for me personally in strengthening these
areas. I also can understand why loml prefers this method! Look at his
logo. He LIKES math!

Dr. Cornett was a physicist and a mathematician.

 

[flip]

From what I know about deaf education history, there have been cued speech systems around since the spanish monks created the handspell systemin the 16ht century. The early handspeeling systems shows ideas that are similar with CS. Some of the old sign languages used in schools in europe shows traits of how words sounds. I am not sure if I would agree something totally new was invented by a genius at Gallaudet in the 60's. Could it perhaps be more accurate to say cued speech(tm?) as a tool was cleaned up and put into a explained system so people didn't have to reinvent it or the idea behind it.

But I am curious and very interested in how the expirment by fredfam1 goes!!

 

[jillio]

From what I know about deaf education history, there have been cued speech systems around since the spanish monks created the handspell systemin the 16ht century. The early handspeeling systems shows ideas that are similar with CS. Some of the old sign languages used in schools in europe shows traits of how words sounds. I am not sure if I would agree something totally new was invented by a genius at Gallaudet in the 60's. Could it perhaps be more accurate to say cued speech(tm?) as a tool was cleaned up and put into a explained system so people didn't have to reinvent it or the idea behind it.

But I am curious and very interested in how the expirment by fredfam1 goes!!

Yeah, I'm curious as well, even though the results won't be applicable to deaf ed. Still.....I am intersted to know if it benefits hearing kids at all.

And I agree with the history you have spoken of. We have always had the ability to provide phonetic spelling of words with the use of finger spelling.

 

[flip]

Yeah, I'm curious as well, even though the results won't be applicable to deaf ed. Still.....I am intersted to know if it benefits hearing kids at all.

And I agree with the history you have spoken of. We have always had the ability to provide phonetic spelling of words with the use of finger spelling.

If the teacher is fluent in ASL, I feel that CS in most cases would be overkill, though I have no access to research to know. I heard that 10 percent of humans(all kind) can't lipread due to brain functions, similar to dyslexia. If that's true, I wonder if CS might help sorting out mouth movements by letting students read "loud" with CS.

Though I am not sure what exactly they would need such skills for if they got excellent cognitive skills by the use of ASL and superior writing and reading skills

 

[fredfam1]

If the teacher is fluent in ASL, I feel that CS in most cases would be overkill, though I have no access to research to know. I heard that 10 percent of humans(all kind) can't lipread due to brain functions, similar to dyslexia. If that's true, I wonder if CS might help sorting out mouth movements by letting students read "loud" with CS.

Though I am not sure what exactly they would need such skills for if they got excellent cognitive skills by the use of ASL and superior writing and reading skills

Learning new things helps prevent senile dementia!

 

[loml]

Does the forward slash mean "transition to" ?
For the word no, 4s means handshape 4, does
the S mean side? Then does the F mean forward?
So that hand shape 4s/f means 4 sound n: s placement
to the side: f placement to the side and forward for the
long oe sound? Is this correct?

fredfam - Indeed the 4 represents the "sound" of the N in the word no.
The f also represents forward. It is one movement though, because in the word NO, it is the phoneme of N and O. Handshape 4 at the side placement (along with mouthshape for the N sound) and oe mouthshape moving forward.

This is very exciting!

 

[jillio]

fredfam - Indeed the 4 represents the "sound" of the N in the word no.
The f also represents forward. It is one movement though, because in the word NO, it is the phoneme of N and O. Handshape 4 at the side placement (along with mouthshape for the N sound) and oe mouthshape moving forward.

This is very exciting!

Wow. And it only takes 20 hours to learn the system. I can show someone how to sign "no" in about 3 seconds.

 

[Cloggy]

Wow. And it only takes 20 hours to learn the system. I can show someone how to sign "no" in about 3 seconds.

We all know you love ASl. We know you don't like Cued Speech.

But there's no need for a remark like you just made.... totally uncalled for.

If loml is explaining something to fredfam1, you can just refrain from making comments on that.


It's called respect.

BTW.. you cannot learn someone to sign every word they know in 20 hours. Cued speech does have that ability!

 

[fredfam1]

The purpose for ASL makes it the only tool I would use for Earliest possible language aquisition. And I have
used fingerspelling for phonics. However ASL does have the same
limitation that the written word does. Teaching a complete
blending of sounds. Some children do not seem to easily get
that blending technique. I think perhaps this system may
facilitate that understanding. It is never wise to discount
a tool because one has not found it to be apropriate for the
task for which it was originally designed. I think this may be
more useful to hearing children having problems. I very clearly
remember my mom trying to get me to sound out the word
spagettie. I could hear no difference in what I was saying and what
she said. I was hearing, "Sagettie" I listened and listend. My mom
got very frustrated with me and I decided she was just being difficult.
Obviously I had some type of neurological developmental delay there as
I was fairly old, about 7 I think. I think this method may help with that type of delay. We will see.

 

[Cloggy]

....... I could hear no difference in what I was saying and what she said. I was hearing, "Sagettie" I listened and listened. ....

We had something similar with Lotte. She would leave the "t" away at the end of a word. We used fingerspelling to emphasise the "t" and she got it.