The Death Penalty

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jillio said:
Once again, it is not "data", it is "statisitics". And Ihave never claimed that capital punishment causes crime rates to increase, so why should I support a claim I never made? Please show me where I said that capital punshment causes crime rates to increase.
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Thank you but it's same thing.
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dictionary.com - data: -noun (used with a plural verb) individual facts, statistics, or items of information:
m-w.com - "data: actual information (as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation
 
jiro123 said:
Referring to Liebling's posting - Myths about the death penalty

Looks like I got mixed up Liebling with Jillio! Silly me :o
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Liebling said:
Yes death penalty does not reduce the crimes but create more problems.
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Cheri said:
Ok but I would have to disagree, I believe it does not create more problems, in fact I believe it reduces crime.
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Jillio said:
It has not been shown to reduce crime at all.
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Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, that´s right. Everyone should not feel bad and say that it´s their fault... Everyone would say that it´s not my fault when I raise my child well but a lot of parents feel guilty and wondering themselves why and what have they done anything wrong. I experienced like this in real life.

I am sure that you read my post at other thread (my both hands burnt) that 15 years old girl of my co-worker hanged herself last December 2007. I know my co-worker is a great mother. She focus herself and kept saying to herself what and how have she done anything wrong to lead her daughter to end her life? She took it very badly. I gave her loving support and tried to convince her that it´s not her fault......... I know that feeling... It´s not just her but other friends of mine as well. My parents as well. My mother did not attend my sister´s funeral at 2 years ago... Why? She feel guilty for bad mother to her... My Dad told me that he feel guilty, too for bad father to her... but he still attended her funeral... He cried a lot... I comfort him... and positive him... I posted the story about my sister at other thread... and posted the story to this thread about 2 years old girl of my friend was thrown out of 10th floor window. I got awfully shock because my both friends (parents) are murderer and victimize. (husband killed daughter and tempt to kill her wife)... Please read my story this thread... I think few pages after Bear post.



*I have to go off for work now and will make further posts later.*
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Whoa... Yes, please. I like to read yours because I don't read yours yet. Where is it?
 
jiro123 said:
Thank you but it's same thing.
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dictionary.com - data: -noun (used with a plural verb) individual facts, statistics, or items of information:
m-w.com - "data: actual information (as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation
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No its not the same thing, and if you knew anything at all about research or data collection, you would already know that.

And, you can start with these citations. Read and learn.

Acker, James R. (2007). Impose an immediate moratorium on executions. Criminology and Public Policy. 6(4). p. 641-650.

Dambrun, M. (2007). Understanding the relationship between racial prejudice and support for the death penalty: The racial punitive bias hypothesis. Social Justice Research. 40(2). p. 228-249.

Reardon, M., O'Neil, K., & Levett, L. (2007.) Deciding mental retardation and mental illness in capital cases: The effects of procedure, evidence, and attitudes. Psychology, Crime, and Law. 13(6). p.537-557.

Sarat, Austin. (2008). Law and Society Review.42(1). p.183-224.
 
Cheri said:
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Saying that it has not been shown to reduce crime is not the same thing as saying it increases crime. Those are 2 very different statements with 2 very different meanings.

So, once again, show me where I said that it increases crime.
 
Cowpuppy said:
#402.....not a single case-not one-in which it is clear...it's a negative...it is not clear
this is saying not a single case in which it is clear......it is implying there is no proof anyone has been wrongly executed....it does not imply proof that noone has died wrongly. It only claims no proof that anyone has. It is not clear.
It's called wishful thinking when you believe what your mind wants it to believe.
Need Chase's help here.....or other english pros
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It is unambiguously worded. That doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're right. but yes we need english prof here! I also supplied another quote that despite of exhaustive research - nobody has been wrongfully-executed so.....

can you prove it to me that somebody has been wrongfully-executed?????
 
Cowpuppy said:
#402.....not a single case-not one-in which it is clear...it's a negative...it is not clear
this is saying not a single case in which it is clear......it is implying there is no proof anyone has been wrongly executed....it does not imply proof that noone has died wrongly. It only claims no proof that anyone has. It is not clear.
It's called wishful thinking when you believe what your mind wants it to believe.
Need Chase's help here.....or other english pros
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You've got it. Jiro is assuming implied proof of something which is not demonstrated in Scalia's statement.
 
jiro123 said:
It is unambiguously worded. That doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're right. but yes we need english prof here! I also supplied another quote that despite of exhaustive research - nobody has been wrongfully-executed so.....

can you prove it to me that somebody has been wrongfully-executed?????
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Can you prove that they haven't?
 
I hate to say it.

That's so bullshit. I was taught by my ex HS that execution can take innocents and I got a few stories from people I barely know. I am so surprise that post claimed there is no wrongfully executed innocents, well, I respectfully disagreed. YES, it does happen. So, I have nothing to say. =/
 
jillio said:
Saying that it has not been shown to reduce crime is not the same thing as saying it increases crime. Those are 2 very different statements with 2 very different meanings.

So, once again, show me where I said that it increases crime.
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Don't jump to the conclusion, I was only listing the posts of what been said on another page.
 
jiro123 said:
It is unambiguously worded. That doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're right. but yes we need english prof here! I also supplied another quote that despite of exhaustive research - nobody has been wrongfully-executed so.....

can you prove it to me that somebody has been wrongfully-executed?????
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unambiguously is not a word.
 
Cowpuppy said:
CAITAL PUNISHMENT DOES CAUSE CRIME TO INCREASE?????? whoever made that claim....the argument is 'deter'....not to increase....you have made up some kind of new rules to some game in your head.....no one ever claimed it would increase crime....that works for your argument I suppose though....tsk tsk
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It's female fault for take apple and offer to her boyfriend. It make all male become evil. It lead male create the law and give death punishment for many thousand years.
 
jiro123 said:
I already did. Your turn.
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Are you high? You haven't proven anything. You have given an opinion. That hardly qualifies as proof. How, exactly, do you think you can prove that a man was innocent folowing his death, when with his death, the case is closed, and no further evidence is sought? Have they gone back and run DNA evidence on every executed criminal? How do you know that there is not DNA evidence available that could posthumously exonerate an executed man? It has been used to free innocent men many times that have spent years in prison under wrongful conviction.
 
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PowerON said:
It's female fault for take apple and offer to her boyfriend. It make all male become evil. It lead male create the law and give death punishment for many thousand years.
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How sexist comment. :hmm: :D Peace.
 
PowerON said:
It's female fault for take apple and offer to her boyfriend. It make all male become evil. It lead male create the law and give death punishment for many thousand years.
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:giggle:
 
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