Survey of Bi-Bi programs - Empirical Article

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Cheri said:
:gpost: I'm tired of hearing someone telling me I'm not a teacher nor that I don't have any experience teaching deaf children to have an opinion on deaf education. Many parents aren't teachers and they do share their opinions on the status of their children's development in school.
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Are you a teacher? Do you have any experience teaching deaf children? And parents have input regarding their opinion. However, they are not qualified to, nor do they engage in the assessment process.
 
jillio said:
Are you a teacher? Do you have any experience teaching deaf children? And parents have input regarding their opinion. However, they are not qualified to, nor do they engage in the assessment process.
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In my experience parents ARE a part of the assessment process. Whenever we have a meeting about Miss Kat, I am asked for information about her progress. When we met with the only Pediatric Neuropsychologist who specializes in Deaf children in all of America, she had both my husband and I fill out 10 different assessments with regard to Miss Kat. How do you explain that?
 
jillio said:
Are you a teacher? Do you have any experience teaching deaf children? And parents have input regarding their opinion. However, they are not qualified to, nor do they engage in the assessment process.
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On one hand parental involvement in education is key. So what if we aren't teachers. What does that mean? There are many parents that mistakenly put all of their faith in the school system to be able to provide adequate education for their child. That is tough enough for hearing kids in a mainstream school. The educating of deaf kids is surrounded by controversy and some that make claims about one method over another which leaves the parent to have to conduct hours of research to prove or disprove the claims. What I have found to be consistent is that there are methods that work for some and not others. Fortunately there are many methods to choose from. The reason I believe there are so many different methods is because of the dedication of many to find a way to teach deaf kids that are falling behind in a given method. While bi-bi is one method and I'm sure it works well for some there are methods that work well for others. There is no silver bullet. At least not yet.
 
rockdrummer said:
On one hand parental involvement in education is key. So what if we aren't teachers. What does that mean? There are many parents that mistakenly put all of their faith in the school system to be able to provide adequate education for their child. That is tough enough for hearing kids in a mainstream school. The educating of deaf kids is surrounded by controversy and some that make claims about one method over another which leaves the parent to have to conduct hours of research to prove or disprove the claims. What I have found to be consistent is that there are methods that work for some and not others. Fortunately there are many methods to choose from. The reason I believe there are so many different methods is because of the dedication of many to find a way to teach deaf kids that are falling behind in a given method. While bi-bi is one method and I'm sure it works well for some there are methods that work well for others. There is no silver bullet. At least not yet.
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BiBi is the use of language.

Then we should assess on how successful spoken language is in some programs for hearing kids too. See why some were successful and some werent.
 
faire_jour said:
In my experience parents ARE a part of the assessment process. Whenever we have a meeting about Miss Kat, I am asked for information about her progress. When we met with the only Pediatric Neuropsychologist who specializes in Deaf children in all of America, she had both my husband and I fill out 10 different assessments with regard to Miss Kat. How do you explain that?
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Talking about the classroom teacher assessing the kids on literacy skills in all subject areas.
 
jillio said:
Are you a teacher? Do you have any experience teaching deaf children? And parents have input regarding their opinion. However, they are not qualified to, nor do they engage in the assessment process.
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That's why teachers need to go to college to get training. If not, then anyone can walk in and apply to become a teacher! AWESOME!
 
rockdrummer said:
Is this fact or opinion? I never heard of ASL having an ugly stigma attached to it. Perhaps is because the bibi model has not yet proven itself as the panacea for educating deaf children. Perhaps there is no panacea which is why there are so many different methods out there.
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No..it goes back to the old days of the Milan Conference and reports from parents, including my own, about their experiences with the Audis and drs telling them if they want their child to be normal, do not expose him/her to ASL.

It happens out there and look at some people's comments in some other threads about ASL being the lowest form of language.
 
shel90 said:
BiBi is the use of language..
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Really? That's it. The definition of the bibi model is the use of language and not an approach to educating deaf kids? Is there a place where folks can go to get a standard definition of what bibi is or is it just the use of language?
 
shel90 said:
No..it goes back to the old days of the Milan Conference and reports from parents, including my own, about their experiences with the Audis and drs telling them if they want their child to be normal, do not expose him/her to ASL.

It happens out there and look at some people's comments in some other threads about ASL being the lowest form of language.
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Understood about the ASL stigma... I would hope that would disappear over time... You didn't answer the harder question about your comment being fact or opinion.
 
rockdrummer said:
Understood about the ASL stigma... I would hope that would disappear over time... You didn't answer the harder question about your comment being fact or opinion.
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It is a fact cuz I have seen experienced IRL with people telling me that I dont need ASL cuz I speak so good or ASL dumbs down deaf people, ASL limits Deaf people and soooo many more.

Also, people calling deaf people "Deaf and Dumb" if they are deaf signers .
 
rockdrummer said:
Really? That's it. The definition of the bibi model is the use of language and not an approach to educating deaf kids? Is there a place where folks can go to get a standard definition of what bibi is or is it just the use of language?
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ASL and English are languages arent they? BiBi is about using these two languages in an educational setting.

Just like in Europe with different languages being used by teachers in the classroom.

definition of BiBi programs
Bilingual-Bicultural Curriculum.
 
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shel90 said:
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definition of BiBi programs
Bilingual-Bicultural Curriculum.
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Yes and a quote from the link you provided below re-enforces what I have said about the lack of a standard definition for the term. What does Bi-Bi education really mean? What is the acceptable definition amongst the professionals? Is there even a consensus or is it something that is still evolving?

While bilingual-bicultural education continues to be one of the most significant thrusts in the final decades of the 20th Century and numerous articles are found on this topic, many interested people are still searching for a clear, simple, and acceptable meaning of the term
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rockdrummer said:
Yes and a quote from the link you provided below re-enforces what I have said about the lack of a standard definition for the term. What does Bi-Bi education really mean? What is the acceptable definition amongst the professionals? Is there even a consensus or is it something that is still evolving?
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To me, it is the use of two languages in an educational setting. I dont know how more complicated it can get. *shrug*
 
jillio said:
Are you a teacher? Do you have any experience teaching deaf children? And parents have input regarding their opinion. However, they are not qualified to, nor do they engage in the assessment process.
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Teachers are not the only "experts" among us. Parents are the experts on their children, they know their children better than anyone else. Respect is the key, Jillio remember that. ;)
 
shel90 said:
To me, it is the use of two languages in an educational setting. I dont know how more complicated it can get. *shrug*
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But its much more than that and undefined based on the information you have provided.
 
Cheri said:
Teachers are not the only "experts" among us. Parents are the experts on their children, they know their children better than anyone else. Respect is the key, Jillio remember that. ;)
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When it comes to eductional methodology, teachers are the experts. That is why a degree is needed to teach.

Of course, parents know their children better than anyone else. But unless they are also teachers, they do not have the same perspective, and therefore make their assessments based on their experience as parents which usually does not take into consideration the other variables that affect the educational process of any given child.

I fail to see how someone making a statement that is essentially true is disrespectful.
 
shel90 said:
To me, it is the use of two languages in an educational setting. I dont know how more complicated it can get. *shrug*
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Not just to you, shel, but to anyone. Bilingual education is self explanatory. Bilingual means 2 languages. Education means to teach and learn. Simple. Teaching and learning that occurs through the use of 2 languages.
 
rockdrummer said:
But its much more than that and undefined based on the information you have provided.
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I work in a BiBi program..that is all it is. It is not a teaching strategy. Sorry, I cant be more helpful.
 
faire_jour said:
In my experience parents ARE a part of the assessment process. Whenever we have a meeting about Miss Kat, I am asked for information about her progress. When we met with the only Pediatric Neuropsychologist who specializes in Deaf children in all of America, she had both my husband and I fill out 10 different assessments with regard to Miss Kat. How do you explain that?
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Jillio, a response?
 
shel90 said:
I work in a BiBi program..that is all it is. It is not a teaching strategy. Sorry, I cant be more helpful.
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Exactly. It is not a teaching methodology. It is a philosophy.
 
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