Survey of Bi-Bi programs - Empirical Article

[jillio]

Jillio, a response?

Sorry...I was offline for a while. You are a part of the assessment process, in that your input is requested. That is a good thing, and I can assure you that the majority of mainstreamed programs do not even want parental input, except when it comes to signing off on the IEP. However, the survey given to parents, in this case, would be an adjunct to supplement the assesssments done by the professional. That can add information regarding carry over functioning between the school environment and the home environment. It doesn't replace professional assessment, but it certainly adds to the body of knowledge that makes the decision making process more reliable. I'd say consider yourself very lucky that your input is valued in this way. I wish more programs did that.

 

[Byrdie714]

Carmel macchiatto again?

 

[jillio]

Teachers are not the only "experts" among us. Parents are the experts on their children, they know their children better than anyone else. Respect is the key, Jillio remember that.

Of course teachers aren't the only experts. However, they are the only experts regarding education.

 

[Cloggy]

Of course teachers aren't the only experts. However, they are the only experts regarding education.

"the only experts regarding education"... jeezzz... give me a break...

 

[shel90]

Of course teachers aren't the only experts. However, they are the only experts regarding education.

One can understand the field of education but what appears on paper, ie...research paper or blah blah, doesnt always happens in real life. Real life experiences really teach a lot. I learned more from real life teaching than I did with my college training.

It is not an isult to anyone but just a reminder to keep in mind cuz so many variable happen in the educational setting EACH minute....so many.

 

[Cheri]

Of course teachers aren't the only experts. However, they are the only experts regarding education.

Sorry, I disagree, there is always going to be new approaches to teaching, new strategies add to lessons, no matter how long they were teachers, they still constantly learning every day. My step mom has been a teacher for 23 years, and she don't claimed to be an expert on education, she says she always listen to what parents have to offer even if it's a solution to their child's problem whatever that might be.

I've seen where parents feel uncomfortable about something they see in school, or hear from their child, or what they read on the child's finish papers from school, parents do question about it to the teacher. It's the parents job to ensure their child's success in school.

And beside this is a public board, and Alex did not noted that only teachers of the deaf education are allow to share their views on education, anyone is allow.

 

[Daredevel7]

"the only experts regarding education"... jeezzz... give me a break...

I think the "only experts regarding education" sounds harsh, because it implies that parents don't make a difference at all. I'm guessing some people here have a lack of faith in parents so they rely more on the educational aspect in a child's development. Makes total sense to me because while the educational system is not perfect, the people/teachers in it are, at least somewhat, trained and have standardized teaching/behavior towards the child, based on studies, experiences, etc. Whereas anyone can be a parent and have the freedom to do anything to that child. Unfortunately, (unless theres actual cruelty) no one can stop a parent from neglecting a child, whereas a teacher's job is to, at least MINIMALLY, try to develop that child. It's hard for a teacher to badly neglect a lot of children without being noticed or fired.

I do believe that a good parent has more power over the individual child than a good teacher. (After all a good parent would have ensured good teachers also!)

 

[Tousi]

I might add "knowledgeable" to "good" parents. From what I have seen in 35 years in an educational setting (not as a teacher, tho), those knowledgeable parents are pretty rare. Therefore, "the teachers are the experts" will more than hold sway because it is what they do for a living. Good teachers who got their degrees 25 years ago, attend ongoing workshops, classes, etc to keep abreast of what's best for the students.

This is no means to indicate that the parents are ignored; in fact, the parents are the ones who have all the power in an IEP meeting but if they are not knowledgeable, they pretty much defer to a team of teachers' recommendations for their sons and daughters. In a nutshell.....

 

[faire_jour]

I have to say, you can't on one hand say "I wish parents would take an interest in their education. Geez do they expect us to do everything?" but then claim to be the only knowledgable person because you are the teacher. Either parents matter or they don't.

 

[Tousi]

I have to say, you can't on one hand say "I wish parents would take an interest in their education. Geez do they expect us to do everything?" but then claim to be the only knowledgable person because you are the teacher. Either parents matter or they don't.

Don't look at me. Parents do matter but if they aren't knowledgeable,(as I saw from most parents) the teachers offer and explain the ideas they think should go into the IEP for their child. I don't recall teachers saying that ("...gee, do they expect us to do everything....") .....doesn't make sense because, by and large, parents (even the most loving ones) do not know the educational strategies.....

 

[faire_jour]

Don't look at me. Parents do matter but if they aren't knowledgeable,(as I saw from most parents) the teachers offer and explain the ideas they think should go into the IEP for their child. I don't recall teachers saying that ("...gee, do they expect us to do everything....") .....doesn't make sense because, by and large, parents (even the most loving ones) do not know the educational strategies.....

I wasn't talking to you. I was expressing my thoughts about the entire thread.

 

[Tousi]

I wasn't talking to you. I was expressing my thoughts about the entire thread.

Just making sure as this is the way that AD has never attributed to me the closing/locking of a thread.

 

[jillio]

One can understand the field of education but what appears on paper, ie...research paper or blah blah, doesnt always happens in real life. Real life experiences really teach a lot. I learned more from real life teaching than I did with my college training.

It is not an isult to anyone but just a reminder to keep in mind cuz so many variable happen in the educational setting EACH minute....so many.

Quite true. And it is exactly that experience and application that makes a teacher an expert in education. Without it, one does not posses expertise in the area.

Just as a doctor who has never practiced does not possess expertise in the treatment of patients.

 

[jillio]

Carmel macchiatto again?

Hazelnut Latte this time, lol!

 

[jillio]

I think the "only experts regarding education" sounds harsh, because it implies that parents don't make a difference at all. I'm guessing some people here have a lack of faith in parents so they rely more on the educational aspect in a child's development. Makes total sense to me because while the educational system is not perfect, the people/teachers in it are, at least somewhat, trained and have standardized teaching/behavior towards the child, based on studies, experiences, etc. Whereas anyone can be a parent and have the freedom to do anything to that child. Unfortunately, (unless theres actual cruelty) no one can stop a parent from neglecting a child, whereas a teacher's job is to, at least MINIMALLY, try to develop that child. It's hard for a teacher to badly neglect a lot of children without being noticed or fired.

I do believe that a good parent has more power over the individual child than a good teacher. (After all a good parent would have ensured good teachers also!)

It doesn't imply anything of the kind. To confer expertise, however, one has to meet minimum requirements of knowledge and experience in the field.

 

[jillio]

I might add "knowledgeable" to "good" parents. From what I have seen in 35 years in an educational setting (not as a teacher, tho), those knowledgeable parents are pretty rare. Therefore, "the teachers are the experts" will more than hold sway because it is what they do for a living. Good teachers who got their degrees 25 years ago, attend ongoing workshops, classes, etc to keep abreast of what's best for the students.

This is no means to indicate that the parents are ignored; in fact, the parents are the ones who have all the power in an IEP meeting but if they are not knowledgeable, they pretty much defer to a team of teachers' recommendations for their sons and daughters. In a nutshell.....

Well said, Tousi.

 

[jillio]

I have to say, you can't on one hand say "I wish parents would take an interest in their education. Geez do they expect us to do everything?" but then claim to be the only knowledgable person because you are the teacher. Either parents matter or they don't.

I've never claimed that. And no one here is claiming to be the only knowledable person. Expertise requires more than knowledge.

 

[faire_jour]

I've never claimed that. And no one here is claiming to be the only knowledable person. Expertise requires more than knowledge.

Fine then, expertise. If parents and other laypersons are not to have opinions then why ask us to participate at all?

 

[Tousi]

Fine then, expertise. If parents and other laypersons are not to have opinions then why ask us to participate at all?

If you are talking about the educational setting, specifically, the IEP meeting and related meetings before or after, parents certainly are consulted and depending on how knowledgeable they are, everything offered via educational strategies are explained in a way for parents to be enlightened and engage in the decision-making.

 

[jillio]

Fine then, expertise. If parents and other laypersons are not to have opinions then why ask us to participate at all?

It isn't a matter of not having opinions. Let me try to put this another way. Why do you use an audiologist? Because they possess expertise in a given area. You can have opinions and input regarding their findings, but you still consult them for their expertise.

Why do you use a CI surgeon rather than a General Surgeon? Because of their expertise with CI surgery. You can have an opinion, and you can offer input, but when it comes right down to the wire, you rely on their expertise.

When it comes to Deaf Education, why would you rely on someone without that particular expertise. It is just as important as the expertise of the CI surgeon or the audiologist. We all choose professionals based on their expertise. A specialist in Deaf Ed is a professional. That doesn't mean that you don't have input. It simply means, that as in the other situations, they have training and experience that is valuable and outside the experience of someone who is not in the field.