STDs still on the rise, report says

[jillio]

I'm going to try to see this from the "religious conservative" view.

"Alright, so if a person practices abstinence, then s/he is rewarded with STD free life. If a person sleeps around and has pre-marital sex, s/he is more likely to get a STD. Well that is just too bad. S/he plays with fire, s/he will get burned. Why should we waste resources trying to educate the people to do something that they shouldn't be doing?! It's obvious that they shouldn't be doing it because STD is the punishment! I refuse to spend my tax dollars promoting sex and birth control for those who do wrong. They deserve to get what's coming to them."

Sound about right? To me, that's perfectly fine if you think that. However you are forgetting one thing. We ARE wasting tax dollars ANYWAY!!! You cannot deny that abstinence only programs ARE NOT WORKING. Its fine if you dont believe in safe sex education, but if you're gonna blow money away on sex related issues, why the hell are we doing it for abstinence? What is there to learn about abstinence????

And, it is a fact of life that we can control the actions and behaviors of no one but ourselves. Just because we choose to be monogamous is no guarantee that our partner of many years will choose to be monogamous, which means that even those that are behaving in this proscibed, ultra moral way are not at any less risk for contracting an STD.

 

[jillio]

How do the actions of other people reflect off my morals and standards? I don't control other people.

I'm curious why you think that is something to smile about?


It takes more than programs to change people.

Do you have proof of cause and effect?

Exactly. You don't control other people. Which means that you, too, are at risk for contracting an STD.

 

[jillio]

Could be lots of things or a combination of things.

We have a huge percentage of snow birds and transplants from other states, large number of rural poor, decades of inadequate public education, cultural traditions, high acceptance of unwed motherhood, etc.

Exactly. But how many times do you hear an unwed preganant teen, or a young adult being treated for gonorrhea say, "It was an accident. It just happened."

 

[jillio]

It's "unrealistic" to teach abstinence to a bunch of teenagers when the stats are stating that STD rates are higher in that age group. Secondly, have you seen the teenage pregnancy rate? It's up again.



The first comment was towards Brad as he wanted to see the stats, second comment--gotta take a grain of salt when you participate in discussing things on the boards, and third--it's all evolutionary.



So we all show quit screwing one another and become homosexual?



Okay--now we are getting somewhere.......with the above scenario--what has is your state doing in combating this?

 

[Foxrac]

no........ Byrdie's referring to decades-old cultural stereotype... there are still many ignorant people out there who think AIDS is a "gay disease" and it originated from gay sex in San Fransisco. and that gays should be banned because it's "destroying" the community.

good riddance to religious fanatics for inventing that :roll:

You are reply to wrong person and my comment were refer to Pepe.

I'm quitely different from other people whoever against on gay marriage but I said "personally" and just for me but I'm really don't care about other gay people, also I don't want interfere their rights.

 

[KarissaMann05]

It's "unrealistic" to teach abstinence to a bunch of teenagers when the stats are stating that STD rates are higher in that age group. Secondly, have you seen the teenage pregnancy rate? It's up again.

Brydie - Uh, no. I am actually not support it or against it, I am just not sure about that. ^_^ You forget I actually do support Sex Education and all that stuff, too. You should know my some posts in the sex education thread in the general debate section. ^_^

If you read my post, #269... can you explain to me, why are they not taking a self control, self respect, self aware, and self discipline? Why are they throwing their own morals away? Sure, I see many mom teens, and some boys are with young moms too... :cT Well, outside of internet, I chat some hearing teens (I personally know who or don't know who) and they told me that sex is fun and feel so good, and all stuff like that. So, I'm not surprise cos I was in HS and it was the same thing... even I witnessed some jerks interested in sex & dramas, and shared some informations without a student's permission... whatever it is.

And I ask you... why is that... many people are more accept unvirgins and are more looked down on virgins? Why are they slighted those virgins? Or... just because virgins are so unfit, stupid, bored, useless, unhealthy, "navie", or something else? Are marriages more unworthy than open relationships, due to the sociality had changed into a new fashion at the present time? I personally believe the eqaulity rights. So...
... ... ... ... Is it okay to get ruin of old traditional marriages and all various marriages but same-sex marriages because they are just too old fashion for your taste and theirs, isn't it, yes? And, is a same sex marriage now a new fashion and should we follow that way? Well, if you answers a no to each question, then tell me WHY are they complaning about all old fashion stuff and embracing all new fashion stuff? Keep that mind, I am not tryin' to be anti-homosexual, okay?

... ... Well, I get feeling you may laugh at that questions but I don't even care what you think. =c}

Okay -- I gotta do something with my PMs & e-mails before I can go dinner.. and will come back here some times. I have a lonnnggg day today.. What a p.i.m.a.! =_=

Peace.

 

[Babyblue]

Well, if you are a member of GaiaOnline [Anime/Manga fans](I doubt you are), then tell me why so many teenagers are talking about and/or already have some sexual activities? Of course, I'm aware that posts & threads are not always true but why are they completely in it? Keep that mind, they are mostly high school students and some middle school students...

EDIT: And GaiaOnline is average 60 to 90 thousands each day (I think), depends on a day. Today, it is about 82,530 members are logged in now...

PS - Sorry, I accidently quoted you, Daredevil.. my quote is for babyblue. Sorry, my bad... >_<

Ok.

Go and ask around in your family tree. Find out how many have gotten married at a young age....

Some waited and some didn't. History about how old people were a long time ago was not a taboo because they gotten married at such a young age.

Now the age is restricted with laws.


What I'm trying to say is. Teenage sex been around since ancient times. People are more aware of it and it is such a taboo.

You have to also remember they did not have the research back then nor the research to actually come out and come up with numbers of how many people actually do this.

Diseases have been around for many, many years! Now that research and media etc. to let the public know what is going on.

It is something to think about.

 

[Jiro]

You guys ask liberals, not me. They are the ones who told me that. :|

Bold font, Brydie -
Yet you don't EVEN know me at all. So don't call me "unrealistic". =/

they don't need to personally know you but they simply can read your view and judge based on what you wrote. That's why they said your view is unrealistic.

btw - there's no such thing as "anti-virginity liberals." It's a silly hyperbole. They seriously need to stop inventing the terms. in fact- there is a study that shows conservatives actually cling MORE tightly to "mistruths" they believe even after they were proven wrong.

something interesting to read - The Power of Political Misinformation

A variety of psychological experiments have shown that political misinformation primarily works by feeding into people's preexisting views. People who did not like Roberts to begin with, then, ought to have been most receptive to the damaging allegation, and this is exactly what Bullock found. Democrats were far more likely than Republicans to disapprove of Roberts after hearing the allegation.

Bullock then showed volunteers a refutation of the ad by abortion-rights supporters. He also told the volunteers that the advocacy group had withdrawn the ad. Although 56 percent of Democrats had originally disapproved of Roberts before hearing the misinformation, 80 percent of Democrats disapproved of the Supreme Court nominee afterward. Upon hearing the refutation, Democratic disapproval of Roberts dropped only to 72 percent.

Republican disapproval of Roberts rose after hearing the misinformation but vanished upon hearing the correct information. The damaging charge, in other words, continued to have an effect even after it was debunked among precisely those people predisposed to buy the bad information in the first place.

please do be careful of what you read.

 

[Reba]

The first comment was towards Brad as he wanted to see the stats

OK.

second comment--gotta take a grain of salt when you participate in discussing things on the boards

I thought this was a serious topic.

and third--it's all evolutionary.

Not everyone believes in that.

So we all show quit screwing one another and become homosexual?

That's certainly not what I said.

Okay--now we are getting somewhere.......with the above scenario--what has is your state doing in combating this?

This topic isn't about any particular state or person, and I'm not going to get pulled off track. It's still a fact that any person who commits a sexual act with someone other than that person's spouse risks catching an STD. All the "protection" in the world can't guarantee otherwise.

 

[Reba]

And that is the philosophy of absitnence only...just say no. Don't educate. Remain naive and unrealistic in your expectations. People have never abstained, nor is it reasonable to expect that they will.

You're wrong. Plenty of people have, are, and will abstain from pre-marital and extra-marital sex. If that weren't the case, we'd be in even worse shape.

I never said that people shouldn't be educated about the causes and risks of STDs.

Therefore, the solution is to educate and prepare those that don't. To expect that people will sudenly begin to change sexual practices that have gone on since man first walked this earth is nothing short of sticking one's head in the sand. And it contributes, it does not reduce, the problems of transmission of STDs and teen aged pregnancy. Those problems in turn create additional social problems that all, even the abstainers, must become responsible for.

If education is the solution, why are STD cases increasing? There has been more sex education in the last 10 years then previous decades, and yet it increases.

 

[Reba]

Exactly. But how many times do you hear an unwed preganant teen, or a young adult being treated for gonorrhea say, "It was an accident. It just happened."

What does that prove? That's a young person's answer to all kinds of things that go wrong.

 

[Byrdie714]

no........ Byrdie's referring to decades-old cultural stereotype... there are still many ignorant people out there who think AIDS is a "gay disease" and it originated from gay sex in San Fransisco. and that gays should be banned because it's "destroying" the community.

good riddance to religious fanatics for inventing that :roll:

Scary thing is....that attitude is still around.

Well, if you are a member of GaiaOnline [Anime/Manga fans](I doubt you are), then tell me why so many teenagers are talking about and/or already have some sexual activities? Of course, I'm aware that posts & threads are not always true but why are they completely in it? Keep that mind, they are mostly high school students and some middle school students...

EDIT: And GaiaOnline is average 60 to 90 thousands each day (I think), depends on a day. Today, it is about 82,530 members are logged in now...

PS - Sorry, I accidently quoted you, Daredevil.. my quote is for babyblue. Sorry, my bad... >_<

Brydie - Uh, no. I am actually not support it or against it, I am just not sure about that. ^_^ You forget I actually do support Sex Education and all that stuff, too. You should know my some posts in the sex education thread in the general debate section. ^_^

If you read my post, #269... can you explain to me, why are they not taking a self control, self respect, self aware, and self discipline? Why are they throwing their own morals away? Sure, I see many mom teens, and some boys are with young moms too... :cT Well, outside of internet, I chat some hearing teens (I personally know who or don't know who) and they told me that sex is fun and feel so good, and all stuff like that. So, I'm not surprise cos I was in HS and it was the same thing... even I witnessed some jerks interested in sex & dramas, and shared some informations without a student's permission... whatever it is.

And I ask you... why is that... many people are more accept unvirgins and are more looked down on virgins? Why are they slighted those virgins? Or... just because virgins are so unfit, stupid, bored, useless, unhealthy, "navie", or something else? Are marriages more unworthy than open relationships, due to the sociality had changed into a new fashion at the present time? I personally believe the eqaulity rights. So...
... ... ... ... Is it okay to get ruin of old traditional marriages and all various marriages but same-sex marriages because they are just too old fashion for your taste and theirs, isn't it, yes? And, is a same sex marriage now a new fashion and should we follow that way? Well, if you answers a no to each question, then tell me WHY are they complaning about all old fashion stuff and embracing all new fashion stuff? Keep that mind, I am not tryin' to be anti-homosexual, okay?

... ... Well, I get feeling you may laugh at that questions but I don't even care what you think. =c}

Okay -- I gotta do something with my PMs & e-mails before I can go dinner.. and will come back here some times. I have a lonnnggg day today.. What a p.i.m.a.! =_=

Peace.

Okay I am going to try to answer your question. In regards to #269, remember that some of these kids that are "claiming" to have had sex--DIDN'T because in high school--they are seeking popularity and acceptance from their peers. Peer pressure is astounding in today's society compared to 15-20 years ago. The kids would say anything to be accepted by their peers as it is "pretigious" to have that respect from them.

If the kids are having sex or not--I would prefer them to do it safely. Afterall--if the parents aren't talking about it and setting an example for their kids, then we are in big trouble. It goes back to parental responsibility and if they aren't doing their job--then it's for the society to teach these kids how to protect themselves.

Contracting STDS/HIV/AIDS is a burden on the economics of our society plus the medications of HIV/AIDS can ruin one's financial well being to the point where they would rely on the state for medical assistance.

As for the virginity question, I think you would have to look at Hollywood for it's de-glamourazation of virginity. Remember the movie, " The 40-Year Old Virgin?" Hollywood has portrayed the virgin to be an individual that is aloof. Which we know isn't true. But the society has bought into it.

As for the traditional marriage comment--nothing wrong with that because same-sex marriage can be quite traditional as well. If you need proof--look at my same-sex pictures in the Picture thread. It was "traditional" by our heterosexual-familial standards.

Lastly--I didn't laugh at your direct post to me because those are fair questions you are asking me. I'm answering it with a

 

[Byrdie714]

You're wrong. Plenty of people have, are, and will abstain from pre-marital and extra-marital sex. If that weren't the case, we'd be in even worse shape.

I never said that people shouldn't be educated about the causes and risks of STDs.


If education is the solution, why are STD cases increasing? There has been more sex education in the last 10 years then previous decades, and yet it increases.

We are already in worse shape because there are people out there that don't know they are carriers.

Secondly--there are more people here than there was 10 years ago.

 

[Byrdie714]

Question for you all: How was sex ed. taught to you?

 

[Reba]

People are not more educated than ever, and that is the result of the 1.5 billion dollars that has been sunk into absitinence only programs over the last eight years.

When I graduated high school in 1969, there was no sex education at all in my public school. Are you saying that young people are no more educated about sex than my generation was?

And, if education makes one more likely to engage in a practice, how do you explain the fact that teens who are educated using an abstinence only approach and those that take "virginity pledges" are engaging in sex at the same age, experience the same number of partners, and have sex with the same frequency as those who receive a more comprehensive education, with the only significant difference being the first group is less likely to use protection?

Because education alone is not the deciding factor. Personal morality is, and today's society doesn't honor or support that. We can clearly see that in the posts here.

Likewise, if education leads to practicing that which one is educated regarding, why do we bother with drug and alcohol education in the schools?

I didn't say that education has no value. I said that the action requires a moral decision.

Even people who have received the best education from the best source will still make the wrong choices in life when they trust their feelings and external influences that can lead them astray.

 

[Babyblue]

OK.


I thought this was a serious topic.


Not everyone believes in that.


That's certainly not what I said.


This topic isn't about any particular state or person, and I'm not going to get pulled off track. It's still a fact that any person who commits a sexual act with someone other than that person's spouse risks catching an STD. All the "protection" in the world can't guarantee otherwise.

The protection can not guarantee prevention 100% as spouses can not guarantee to be faithful.

 

[Reba]

Please provide an example of those statistics.

I said "will"--that's a future event. These things will happen, and at that time, the statistics will prove it out.

That, quite simply, is one of those "slippery slope" arguments that, in reality, do not play out

Do you have any examples of a declining morality resulting in an improved society? Has lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, abusing, drunkenness, etc., ever resulted in an improved society?

and is quite often used by those that, rather than actually working toward solutions that benefit society in general, prefer to do nothing more than sit back and judge the morality and value of others.

That in itself is a judgmental statement used to attempt a deflection from the issue.

 

[Reba]

Question for you all: How was sex ed. taught to you?

It wasn't.

 

[Reba]

Then why are you telling people that if they would only abstain and stay monogamous, we would not have a problem with the transmission of STDs?

Because it's true, and I have the right to present my viewpoint. I haven't told anyone here that they must do what I tell them. I present the viewpoint, and they can do whatever they want.

 

[Daredevel7]

Because it's true, and I have the right to present my viewpoint. I haven't told anyone here that they must do what I tell them. I present the viewpoint, and they can do whatever they want.

While we are at it, if we abstain, stay monogamous, have one child each or none, eat no more than half a pound of food a day, then we'd cure STDs, overpopulation, AND hunger!