So, will the deaf culture be there?

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souggy said:
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"Proof's in the pudding' was in reference to how puddings were once made with ingredients people held a disdain for, yet judge the final product without tasting it. :p
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Not everyone shares the same experiences. That proof has been in the pudding. Don't shoot the messenger. I have no agenda here other than to be fair and objective.
 
Hi, I am studying to be a Deaf interpreter. I understand the CI challenge. I disagree that there is anything wrong with Deaf people, and therefore, you don't need to be "fixed." I love the Deaf community, so close knit and caring. Sometimes I wish to part of it, but it's just not the same being a hearing person. but I have been in Deaf Communities, and they take me in and help me to learn ASL and so much more. God bless you all.
Wendy
 
GrendelQ said:
In my daughter's school, it's called "Communication" and some sessions are devoted to spoken language, some are devoted to ASL instruction. Some schools have penmanship and writing exercises to hone communication skills. I do see the value in formal instruction in how to communicate, as well as in other academic topics.
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If it is communication that is being addressed, that is quite a different issue. My complaint is against those pull out sessions, or sessions provided during academic school hours, devoted to speech skills alone.
 
faire_jour said:
And what about the kids who CAN comprehend?
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Where are they? Anytime a child who is deaf, aided or not with a CI or an HA, their weakest sense will always be auditory channels. Why ask a child to rely on that weakest sense for comprehension? And any child placed in that position will be missing much information.
 
posts from hell said:
exactly, so don't twist it around to where I say a hour isnt enough to learn a language.

Taking a person out of an english class to learn speech... Which causes more harm for learning the language itself... Taking the person out of learning english.

And they usually arent happy to be in the speech classes..

If anything... my advice is to make sure your speech teachers are NOT smokers... fucking disgusting.
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Gotta agree. In fact, many times, speech therapy, in the form of AVT or otherwise, is counterproductive to learning the language. Speech therapy results in stilted language. Often, one determines the results simply by how well the child is able to mimic pronunciation, and in the process, forget that the child may be speaking well, but still is unable to use the language in a creative way as a native speaker does.
 
faire_jour said:
You are saying that the "traditional" Deaf story (started oral, unhappy, found ASL) is the obvious and important story. But there are plenty of oral deaf people who are perfectly happy being oral.
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They, however, are not the majority. And, chances are, they have never had the opportunity to experience anything different, and therefore have no basis of comparison.
 
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rockdrummer said:
Personally I dont see anything wrong with wanting to assimilate with the majority of the population. That to me applies to anyone from a given "culture" that is surrounded by a majority of a different "culture". That said I also see nothing wrong if people dont want to assimilate but if you are the minority then you are pretty much isolating yourself within your minority culture and for some there is nothing wrong with that.

For the folks that want to assimilate I say more power to you. For those that don't, I have complete respect for thieir decisions and would never suggest anyone's choice is right or wrong or that someone is being brainwashed.

It's about choices that individuals make or that parents make for their children that are not old enough to comprehend the issues of such decisions. It's about live and let live. When people reach a certian age and understanding they have the freewill to take any path they choose. If someone decides to remain in d/Deaf culture then so be it. If someone decides to assimilate with the majority culture then so be it.

In my personal opinion I think it is wrong for any culture to shun someone just because they have assimilated with another culture. That is nothing more than eliteist garbage in my view.

Peace!!
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Assmiliation by choice, and assimilation by force are two very different things.:cool2:
 
faire_jour said:
Actully, I was told by a poster (and several agreed) that AV therapy is cruel. Also, PFH said that speech therapy is a waste of time. Not to mention the poster who says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a child to learn to listen.
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None of that has anything to do with exposing a child to both worlds.
 
faire_jour said:
And that is fine for you, but that is not the only acceptable solution. Just because that is how you feel, it doesn't mean that every oral deaf person felt that way. There are many that continue to be happy being oral and choose not to learn or use ASL.
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Perhaps not EVERY oral deaf, but the vast majority. That is the whole point.
 
rockdrummer said:
Looking at this from a cultural perspective it is each individuals choice to assimilate or not into the majority culture. Nobody is insisting or forcing anyone to do anything. Just as with many things in life our decisions have implications. If I move to Japan and choose to not learn their language I am going to be isolating myself from communicating with anyone that knows Japaneese.
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Assimilation by nature, is rarely by free choice.
 
AlleyCat said:
Out of curiousity, how would you like us to SHOW YOU? I am part of a very large deaf community, and I see this for myself. How do I show you this? If nothing else, I can share one concrete example. I know of one oral deaf who has serious self-esteem and social issues. I know -- I used to be married to him.
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Exactly. It is "shown" every day. It has been "shown" on this forum. One who refuses to look cannot be shown.
 
jillio said:
Assmiliation by choice, and assimilation by force are two very different things.:cool2:
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Absolutly agree. I don't know that anyone is being forced to assimilate. In fact based on what many have said, it's the opposite. Several choose to not assimilate and that is their right. Nobody is being forced to do anything. At least in the USA we have our freewill.
 
rockdrummer said:
Absolutly agree. I don't know that anyone is being forced to assimilate. In fact based on what many have said, it's the opposite. Several choose to not assimilate and that is their right. Nobody is being forced to do anything. At least in the USA we have our freewill.
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Well, if you look at "force" as an agressive action, then yes. But in the case of assimilation, it can be very, very discreet. Freewill in the U.S.? :giggle: That's a myth.
 
jillio said:
Well, if you look at "force" as an agressive action, then yes. But in the case of assimilation, it can be very, very discreet. Freewill in the U.S.? :giggle: That's a myth.
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Er....

Yeah..

I would say our pad thai has been assimilated into Canadian society. Who idea is it to make them with ketchup?!
 
jillio said:
Well, if you look at "force" as an agressive action, then yes. But in the case of assimilation, it can be very, very discreet. Freewill in the U.S.? :giggle: That's a myth.
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I exercise mine on a daily basis.
 
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