So, will the deaf culture be there?

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shel90 said:
Then why throw it around whenever language is brought up?
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I didn't start the discussion about AVT. I simply said that this kind of therapy is different than tradition "speech therapy" and that using spoken language is NOT "speech therapy all day long" and that school that use spoken language are NOT focused on speech and not language.

I will say AGAIN, the key is language and the focus is on learning and understanding LANGUAGE.
 
Sure. We'll go with whatever you say. After all, you apparently are the expert and those who actually experienced therapy are not.
 
AlleyCat said:
Sure. We'll go with whatever you say. After all, you apparently are the expert and those who actually experienced therapy are not.
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You have stated time in again that this is NOT the therapy model used when you were a child. I am attempting to explain something that you do not have experience with, this type of therapy. I am not trying to say anything about the therapy that you had as a child, simply what is being done today.
 
AlleyCat said:
Sure. We'll go with whatever you say. After all, you apparently are the expert and those who actually experienced therapy are not.
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Ok FJ, whatever you say.
 
AlleyCat said:
Sure. We'll go with whatever you say. After all, you apparently are the expert and those who actually experienced therapy are not.
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Oh, and by the way, while I am not deaf, I did have speech therapy as a child.

And AV therapy sessions REQUIRE that parents are present and participate in each and every session.
 
faire_jour said:
Oh, and by the way, while I am not deaf, I did have speech therapy as a child.

And AV therapy sessions REQUIRE that parents are present and participate in each and every session.
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My mom was present in our speech therapy sessions when my brother and I were toddlers in Gompers. That was in the 70s.
 
shel90 said:
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Ok FJ, whatever you say.
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So, this was the kind of therapy that you had as a child? This is what you mean when you say "speech therapy"? Either it is or it isn't? Why does it ALWAYS have to come back to "I'm deaf and you are hearing, so you are wrong"? Why can't we actually discuss the subject?
 
faire_jour said:
So, this was the kind of therapy that you had as a child? This is what you mean when you say "speech therapy"? Either it is or it isn't? Why does it ALWAYS have to come back to "I'm deaf and you are hearing, so you are wrong"? Why can't we actually discuss the subject?
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It isn't about "we are deaf and you are hearing". It is about who actually experienced the very subject nature. Sitting in a classroom is NOT the same as actually going through 12-15 years of this stuff.
 
AlleyCat said:
It isn't about "we are deaf and you are hearing". It is about who actually experienced the very subject nature. Sitting in a classroom is NOT the same as actually going through 12-15 years of this stuff.
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So, is this the kind of therapy you had? Was it about the language you were using and understanding, or was it about articulation and speech?

And I am not talking about "sitting in a classroom", I am talking about a huge part of my life, I'm talking about my only, precious daughter. So,yeah, deafness is a huge part of your life, but it is also a huge part of mine. My daughter is deaf.
 
It always starts off as articulation. A deaf person does have to learn how to form letters and sounds, as I said in my other post earlier this weekend. A deaf person cannot go from speaking nothing to a full word in zero steps when they cannot hear how those sounds are made. Once articulation is attained, then, it's all about everything else.
 
The deaf culture will slowly die out with the increasingly new and effective technologies that will occur in the next 20 to 30 years or so. From genetic screening for couples to vastly improved hearing aids to possibly one day having stem cells (not from embryo's mind you, which arn't even that effective) helping us hear as normal people.

Overall, we should be happy about this. To me, it is better to be a part of a world becoming more tightly woven than become isolated in a small group of Deaf people. I don't mean any harm by that statement at all.

"The rest of those who have gone before us cannot steady the unrest of those to follow."
 
ChocolateMILK said:
The deaf culture will slowly die out with the increasingly new and effective technologies that will occur in the next 20 to 30 years or so. From genetic screening for couples to vastly improved hearing aids to possibly one day having stem cells (not from embryo's mind you, which arn't even that effective) helping us hear as normal people.

Overall, we should be happy about this. To me, it is better to be a part of a world becoming more tightly woven than become isolated in a small group of Deaf people. I don't mean any harm by that statement at all.

"The rest of those who have gone before us cannot steady the unrest of those to follow."
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Happy? Audist!
 
AlleyCat said:
It always starts off as articulation. A deaf person does have to learn how to form letters and sounds, as I said in my other post earlier this weekend. A deaf person cannot go from speaking nothing to a full word in zero steps when they cannot hear how those sounds are made. Once articulation is attained, then, it's all about everything else.
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Well, today it is EXACTLY the opposite. Articulation is the very last thing they worry about. Hearing children can not make all the appropriate sounds until they are around age 7, so why would a deaf child? They start developmentally appropriate. They start with noise making toys, and singing sounds and animal sounds, just like a baby. Then simple words and on and on. They don't focus on making perfect sounds, why would they? When a hearing child learns to talk, they make developmentally appropriate mistakes too. The key is understanding and then using language, "speech" comes much later.
 
ChocolateMILK said:
The deaf culture will slowly die out with the increasingly new and effective technologies that will occur in the next 20 to 30 years or so. From genetic screening for couples to vastly improved hearing aids to possibly one day having stem cells (not from embryo's mind you, which arn't even that effective) helping us hear as normal people.

Overall, we should be happy about this. To me, it is better to be a part of a world becoming more tightly woven than become isolated in a small group of Deaf people. I don't mean any harm by that statement at all.

"The rest of those who have gone before us cannot steady the unrest of those to follow."
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Genetic screening? As in eliminate the deaf fetuses. Boy, I can imagine how popular you are going to be around here!:shock:
 
Bottesini said:
Genetic screening? As in eliminate the deaf fetuses. Boy, I can imagine how popular you are going to be around here!:shock:
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It's the truth, whether you like it or not.

Heres something about me: I have two older brothers, one has Downs Syndrome and the other has a severe case of ADD.

Genetic screening is expensive now but in the next 10 years or so, it will get cheaper. Even now, there are couples who can't have babies that pay a girl to have a baby with certain 'genes' (as in like beautiful or Yale smart genes).

If you don't believe me on this or even want to read it, then you have a lot of reading to catch up on...:roll:
 
ChocolateMILK said:
It's the truth, whether you like it or not.

Heres something about me: I have two older brothers, one has Downs Syndrome and the other has a severe case of ADD.

Genetic screening is expensive now but in the next 10 years or so, it will get cheaper. Even now, there are couples who can't have babies that pay a girl to have a baby with certain 'genes' (as in like beautiful or Yale smart genes).

If you don't believe me on this or even want to read it, then you have a lot of reading to catch up on...:roll:
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Then why come to a deaf forum if you are against deafness?

BTW, I am deaf and I am not stupid. No, I am not Yale material but I am damn smart.
 
faire_jour said:
Well, today it is EXACTLY the opposite. Articulation is the very last thing they worry about. Hearing children can not make all the appropriate sounds until they are around age 7, so why would a deaf child? They start developmentally appropriate. They start with noise making toys, and singing sounds and animal sounds, just like a baby. Then simple words and on and on. They don't focus on making perfect sounds, why would they? When a hearing child learns to talk, they make developmentally appropriate mistakes too. The key is understanding and then using language, "speech" comes much later.
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A child is 7 years old before they say "mama" ?

That's ridiculous.

How does a deaf child who doesn't even hear what the "m" and "a" sounds like pronounce "mama" without the training? You can't tell me that Miss Kat, when she first started making sounds, was able to say "mama" right away.
 
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