So, will the deaf culture be there?

[faire_jour]

Because the focus is on the mode, not the language. Particularly with AVT.

This isn't true at all. The entire focus of the therapy is learning the language, not articulation. Your complaint is that it is using the weakest sense. That is a legitimate statement, but saying that the focus is speech and not language is untrue.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

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Um, it does focus on the mode of the language since English can be conveyed in either spoken or written. However, you would be right to say spoken English have different expressions or formality than written English.

 

[shel90]

In another word it's only okay for the Deaf to make supposed stereotyped comments about the oral deaf and not the other way around...?

I was an oral deaf. What they are saying is really true for a majority of us. I wont deny it.

 

[shel90]

This isn't true at all. The entire focus of the therapy is learning the language, not articulation. Your complaint is that it is using the weakest sense. That is a legitimate statement, but saying that the focus is speech and not language is untrue.

using English via the mouth is speech.

 

[faire_jour]

using English via the mouth is speech.

No, it is spoken English. Speech is the sounds you make.

 

[shel90]

No, it is spoken English. Speech is the sounds you make.

English is English..it is a language. why are you making it liek it is not a language unless it is spoken?

 

[AlleyCat]

No, it is spoken English. Speech is the sounds you make.

Hence speech therapy.

 

[faire_jour]

English is English..it is a language. why are you making it liek it is not a language unless it is spoken?

There are different modes of English. There is written, spoken, and signed English. They are all English.

 

[faire_jour]

Hence speech therapy.

Right, and AV and aural rehab and NOT speech therapy.

 

[GrendelQ]

using English via the mouth is speech.

Denying that using spoken English is language is like denying that written English is language. That's how this train of thought on this thread began.

If you say that learning spoken English is just learning a mode, a technical ability, a way of moving the mouth, rather than a language, I'd ask you to think about written language in the same way: is learning written English not language, is it just the hand movement skill in making upward, downward movements on paper?

 

[shel90]

Denying that using spoken English is language is like denying that written English is language. That's how this train of thought on this thread began.

If you say that learning spoken English is just learning a mode, a technical ability, a way of moving the mouth, rather than a language, I'd ask you to think about written language in the same way: is learning written English not language, is it just the hand movement skill in making upward, downward movements on paper?

I never said written English was a language itself.

It is what goes on in the heads...that's language.

 

[shel90]

Right, and AV and aural rehab and NOT speech therapy.

English IS a language. ASL is a language.


AVT is not a language.

 

[faire_jour]

English IS a language. ASL is a language.


AVT is not a language.

NOBODY SAID IT WAS.

This is the kind of garbage that I don't get. Why make a statement like that? You know that no one believes that. Why say it? If you don't have an actual comment, why throw crap like this out?

 

[GrendelQ]

English IS a language. ASL is a language.


AVT is not a language.

OK, I agree with you there, but I haven't seen anyone claim that AVT is a language. It's a learning approach. That would be like saying that Bi-Bi or TC are languages.

 

[shel90]

OK, I agree with you there, but I haven't seen anyone claim that AVT is a language. It's a learning approach. That would be like saying that Bi-Bi or TC are languages.

No, BiBi and TC arent languages.

 

[shel90]

NOBODY SAID IT WAS.

This is the kind of garbage that I don't get. Why make a statement like that? You know that no one believes that. Why say it? If you don't have an actual comment, why throw crap like this out?

Because you keep throwing AVT around.

 

[faire_jour]

Because you keep throwing AVT around.

AVT is a therapy model in which deaf children learn to use their residual, amplified, or CI'ed (there has to be a word for the hearing provided by an implant that I just am not thinking of...) hearing to learn spoken language. It is not a language, it is not speech therapy. BUT, it is a methodology that uses audition to learn language.

 

[shel90]

AVT is a therapy model in which deaf children learn to use their residual, amplified, or CI'ed (there has to be a word for the hearing provided by an implant that I just am not thinking of...) hearing to learn spoken language. It is not a language, it is not speech therapy. BUT, it is a methodology that uses audition to learn language.

How is it not speech therapy? Speech is one's ability to use the mouth, isnt it>

 

[faire_jour]

How is it not speech therapy? Speech is one's ability to use the mouth, isnt it>

OMG

As I explained before, it is NOT about the sounds you make. It is about understanding and using the language. Yes, you use your mouth to make spoken language, but the speech sounds are not the entirety of spoken language.

As Grendel said, is moving your hand all that makes up written English? No, it is a piece of it, and if you struggle with it, it will affect your ability to be understood in written form. The same is true with speech. The actual speech sounds you make has some impact on the ability of strangers to understand your spoken language, but it is the the complete story.

For example:
In AV therapy a student is asked, "The stewardess brought the man a hot towel and his meal. Where are they?" The child should answer "On an airplane." The therapist would then know he knows the words meal, and stewardess (his target vocabulary). If the child doesn't know, the therapist could explain "A stewardess is like a waitress but she works on an airplane".

It doesn't matter if the child says "stewardess" or "airplane" with perfect articulation, the focus is on using and understanding the language involved.

 

[shel90]

OMG

As I explained before, it is NOT about the sounds you make. It is about understanding and using the language. Yes, you use your mouth to make spoken language, but the speech sounds are not the entirety of spoken language.

As Grendel said, is moving your hand all that makes up written English? No, it is a piece of it, and if you struggle with it, it will affect your ability to be understood in written form. The same is true with speech. The actual speech sounds you make has some impact on the ability of strangers to understand your spoken language, but it is the the complete story.

For example:
In AV therapy a student is asked, "The stewardess brought the man a hot towel and his meal. Where are they?" The child should answer "On an airplane." The therapist would then know he knows the words meal, and stewardess (his target vocabulary). If the child doesn't know, the therapist could explain "A stewardess is like a waitress but she works on an airplane".

It doesn't matter if the child says "stewardess" or "airplane" with perfect articulation, the focus is on using and understanding the language involved.

Then why throw it around whenever language is brought up?