So, will the deaf culture be there?

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deafskeptic said:
Exactly. I know words in English that I can define but I have no idea what they sound like. I would not recognize them if someone said them out loud though I'll know what it is if they write it down. I have no idea how to pronounce them either.
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I understand that. I cannot quote a single rule of grammar but am passable.
 
Go check your reading level: The Readability Test Tool

I'm in the 6th grade level and I didn't go to deaf school at all. (It probably helps if you don't abbreviate words like CI or HA)

edited: I tested Grendel (since she is hearing) on one of her post.. hers was 11th grade.
 
deafgal001 said:
Go check your reading level: The Readability Test Tool

I'm in the 6th grade level and I didn't go to deaf school at all. (It probably helps if you don't abbreviate words like CI or HA)

edited: I tested Grendel (since she is hearing) on one of her post.. hers was 11th grade.
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It isn't a test of your reading level. It tests writing level. I put in a paragraph I wrote yesterday and it came out with a 7th grade readability level, and should easily be understood by 12-13 year olds.

In other words that paragraph would have been great for the newspaper.

It says nothing whatsoever about how well or what level I can read.

Another paragraph I wrote might rate differently on readability level depending on who I was writing for, and what I was writing about.
 
Bottesini said:
It isn't a test of your reading level. It tests writing level. I put in a paragraph I wrote yesterday and it came out with a 7th grade readability level, and should easily be understood by 12-13 year olds.

In other words that paragraph would have been great for the newspaper.

It says nothing whatsoever about how well or what level I can read.

Another paragraph I wrote might rate differently on readability level depending on who I was writing for, and what I was writing about.
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Don't you get the feeling that to cut and paste a member's post and revealing.......a little invasive. I say shame, shame to that poster.
 
She is a good writer and I wanted to prove that even with public school hearing kids, it doesn't prove a thing. everyone likes to compare writing skills in deaf school and deaf vs. hearing. So are they going to stop it???
 
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deafgal001 said:
Go check your reading level: The Readability Test Tool

I'm in the 6th grade level and I didn't go to deaf school at all. (It probably helps if you don't abbreviate words like CI or HA)

edited: I tested Grendel (since she is hearing) on one of her post.. hers was 11th grade.
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Well, so glad you didn't test me talking to my puppy -- I'd have scored at preK levels.

But I am sorry, Deafgal, I didn't realize my posts were going on my permanent record. Was I ungrammatical with my smilies?
 
deafdyke said:
jillo. I thought she was prelingal but with a progressive loss? And faire joure, HAs may not have worked for her, but she still had the advantage of a progressive loss. I actually wonder if a big part of the mixed end hearing results from CI (and we are NOT saying it doesn't work....we are saying that there's huge variance in the hearing they end up with) seen in some kids is b/c they never heard normally even as babies. Most Dhh babies did have a period of time when they might have been able to hear normally. That in turn could procure an advantage with hearing with CI.

But yes you're right jillo.That is what is wrong with oral only. It it HABILITATIVE. Meaning relying exclusively on the weakest sense. It's trying to get dhh and other kids with disabilties to function "normally"It's like..You wouldn't educate a kid who was gifted in English but LD functioning in math, by exlcusively focusing on their math defiencey would you? And yes jillo, you are right. There are some oral only kids who can speak clearly and have sophisticated language(both written and spoken) Especially the ones from families which could be seen as really suburban overacheivers, or where it's expected that Junoir will go to prep school and get some sort of high powered job (and I'm NOT bashing sucess. What I am commenting on is that there are families where kids are exposed to things that will improve their SAT scores...like instead of "just being a kid?" they are overprogrammed and have flashcard sessions and all that sort of stuff.)
However, oral only is still defiencent on how to teach dhh kids proper grammar and syntax. It's still common for oral only kids to say stuff like " How many spiders have legs?" for " how many legs do spiders have?" ..and their written language......not great!
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If I'm not mistaken, she was diagnosed as a toddler...which would mean that the first couple of years of her life, she was exposed to English. That would make English her L1 language. Believe you are correct about the progressive.

Re: the second paragraph: there is a logical explanation for the problems that deaf kids encounter with syntax, etc. in an oral only environment. Even when they are placed in an oral environment, they, by nature, continue to use their vision to assist them. English is a linear language because it is processed by the auditory senses, and that is the way that area of the brain processes stimuli. However, the visual centers process stimuli in a spatial and time oriented sequence. Thus, when stimuli is presented and linear, and processed as spatial, these errors occur. Also the reason why ASL syntax has developed in the way it has...as a time oriented, spatial syntax.
 
GrendelQ said:
Yes, and also simply put, I'm not necessarily arguing with you on this. But when you claim that learning to speak English is not learning a language, but a mode, you must also be claiming that learning to write English is not learning a language, but a mode.
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Because the focus is on the mode, not the language. Particularly with AVT.
 
Tousi said:
Don't you get the feeling that to cut and paste a member's post and revealing.......a little invasive. I say shame, shame to that poster.
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Yes agreed. :wave:
 
I apologize, but people invade people stuffs all the time, when they check their profile , blogging about a person by copying their quotes, to posting fat people moobs when they don't even have their permission.

But if I make people uncomfortable I won't stick around.. I don't want to be invasive.
 
deafgal001 said:
I apologize, but people invade people stuffs all the time, when they check their profile , blogging about a person by copying their quotes, to posting fat people moobs when they don't even have their permission.

But if I make people uncomfortable I won't stick around.. I don't want to be invasive.
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Please don't go.
 
deafgal001 said:
Thanks but I got too uncomfortable too.
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I understand, and can see why you would have become uncomfortable. But there will always be people who want to criticize. That is just life. Don't let it get to you, especially when it is such a small minority who are criticizing. You have very valuable things to say in many threads, and I would hate to see that value lost just because someone chose to make a personal isssue of something unrelated to the topic. I do hope that you will continue to post. You have the potential for doing a lot of good through what you say.
 
And in addition, I wonder if kids are a) poorly taught the mechanics of spoken language. a lot of their language sounds like ESL (English as a Second language) writings. and b) they expend so much effort hearing and talking, they don't have enough energy to use proper spoken language syntax.
 
deafdyke said:
And in addition, I wonder if kids are a) poorly taught the mechanics of spoken language. a lot of their language sounds like ESL (English as a Second language) writings. and b) they expend so much effort hearing and talking, they don't have enough energy to use proper spoken language syntax.
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i mentioned that
 
shel90 said:
Go check out the thread about this deaf lady who became a physican's assistant..she graduated from a deaf school. That blows your and other's stereotyping of Deaf schools out the window.

I know so many Deaf adults who attended Deaf schools whose reading levels are on par with hearing society. My brother is one of them.

If Deaf schools are being criticized, what about all those illerate hearing epole..they SHOULD know how to read and write since they can hear. What's their excuse?
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In another word it's only okay for the Deaf to make supposed stereotyped comments about the oral deaf and not the other way around...?
 
deafgal001 said:
She is a good writer and I wanted to prove that even with public school hearing kids, it doesn't prove a thing. everyone likes to compare writing skills in deaf school and deaf vs. hearing. So are they going to stop it???
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It's a two way street, some were making comments in this thread on how it's supposedly just the oral deaf that had poor English skills...
 
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