So, will the deaf culture be there?

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The late-deafened experience is unique because I exist on the edge of both worlds. By the very nature of my experience, I cannot just assimilate into the Deaf culture or remain exclusively in the hearing culture. I find my path with the support of both hearing people and Deaf people. It doesn't have to be an "us" or "them" situation.

When I was a hearing person, I couldn't have possibly understood what it was going to be like to lose my hearing. I ask hearing people to respect my experience even if they can't totally understand it.

My hoh/Deaf friends help me adjust and I'm very grateful for their support. I'm proud to stand with them.
 
faire_jour said:
I haven't changed my posts, except to correct spelling. What are you talking about?
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Ok you are right that you didn't edit your post. again, it wasn't about you. its about the family that deafgal mentioned something in her post.
 
Advocating for the oral only route is ok but advocating for the ASL route is not ok?

Is that what your are saying Fj?
 
faire_jour said:
Actully, I was told by a poster (and several agreed) that AV therapy is cruel. Also, PFH said that speech therapy is a waste of time. Not to mention the poster who says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a child to learn to listen.
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Its indeed a waste of time in my opinion.

When you see my next vlog, you'll understand why I say so.
 
shel90 said:
Advocating for the oral only route is ok but advocating for the ASL route is not ok?

Is that what your are saying Fj?
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No. I am saying that implying that all deaf people advocate for ASL is false. There are deaf people on both sides. Thing is, I have never had an oral deaf person tell me that I was a child abuser for choosing ASL (in fact NO ONE has ever said that, deaf or hearing) but I have heard TONS of stuff like that (rapist, abuser, ruining my child, genocidal, Nazi, etc) from Deaf ASL advocates. I find that unacceptable.
 
faire_jour said:
And that is fine for you, but that is not the only acceptable solution. Just because that is how you feel, it doesn't mean that every oral deaf person felt that way. There are many that continue to be happy being oral and choose not to learn or use ASL.
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It wasn't ok because I was forced to take the oral only route as a child. If I had been given exposure to both, I wouldn't have all these problems growing up.

were these oral only deaf exposed to both? How do they know if they won't or will like ASL or the deaf community if they have never experienced it?

20 years ago I said the exact same thing..that I was thankful to be oral only and be mainstreamed. That was when I was very ignorant about the Deaf community and ASL.

Give me an oral person who was exposed to both growing up who has decided to abandon ASL and go the hearing world only and then I will take their opinions at face value.

Same for an ASL onlty deaf person who has never experienced being mainstreamed to say that they hate the hearing world if they have never experienced it.

I think both kinds of people are pretty rare.
 
shel90 said:
It wasn't ok because I was forced to take the oral only route as a child. If I had been given exposure to both, I wouldn't have all these problems growing up.

were these oral only deaf exposed to both? How do they know if they won't or will like ASL or the deaf community if they have never experienced it?

20 years ago I said the exact same thing..that I was thankful to be oral only and be mainstreamed. That was when I was very ignorant about the Deaf community and ASL.

Give me an oral person who was exposed to both growing up who has decided to abandon ASL and go the hearing world only and then I will take their opinions at face value.

Same for an ASL onlty deaf person who has never experienced being mainstreamed to say that they hate the hearing world if they have never experienced it.

I think both kinds of people are pretty rare.
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I know several teens and adults who are oral and choose to be oral, inspite of the fact that they grew up in a Deaf family. I also know deaf people who know ASL (and even use it sometimes) but advocate and support oralism for deaf children.
 
And what about the dozens of kids I know whose parents sign to them and they choose to respond back orally, or say things like "I can hear you, TALK!". That shouldn't be respected?
 
Iam not talking about children. Iam talking about deaf adults who have been exposed who have completely abandonded asl and the Deaf community. Tell them to come in here and share their experiences.

If that's what they want that's fine BUT THEY WERE EXPOSED BOTH!!! That is my beleief..expose the children to both and let them decide when they grow up and everyone is happy. Get it?
 
shel90 said:
Iam not talking about children. Iam talking about deaf adults who have been exposed who have completely abandonded asl and the Deaf community. Tell them to come in here and share their experiences.

If that's what they want that's fine BUT THEY WERE EXPOSED BOTH!!! That is my beleief..expose the children to both and let them decide when they grow up and everyone is happy. Get it?
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And if they choose spoken language, you are fine with that? So, if my child or Li-Li or any other child grows up and chooses to be oral, you will support their choice?
 
yes, Shel is fine with that, because she said they get to choose. If they choose oral route and never use ASL, so be it.
 
faire_jour said:
And if they choose spoken language, you are fine with that? So, if my child or Li-Li or any other child grows up and chooses to be oral, you will support their choice?
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Shel has expressed her opinion on that quite a bit... Did you see it?
 
FJ, I have stated many many times. How many more time do I need to state it?

Have them grow up with a respect for both worlds. If they choose to go oral as adults, their decision. I will support them ONLY if they don't have audist attitudes towards ASL users and the Deaf community.

I can't control deaf adults but respect them more if they have experienced both instead of saying "I hate the Deaf community and don't need ASL" when they have never experienced it. Same with Deaf people who are 100% hermits from the hearing world saying that about spoken language and hearing people.

*how many deaf actually completely 100% isolate themselves from the hearing world? Anyone?*
 
shel90 said:
FJ, I have stated many many times. How many more time do I need to state it?

Have them grow up with a respect for both worlds. If they choose to go oral as adults, their decision. I will support them ONLY if they don't have audist attitudes towards ASL users and the Deaf community.

I can't control deaf adults but respect them more if they have experienced both instead of saying "I hate the Deaf community and don't need ASL" when they have never experienced it. Same with Deaf people who are 100% hermits from the hearing world saying that about spoken language and hearing people.

*how many deaf actually completely 100% isolate themselves from the hearing world? Anyone?*
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I for sure dont.
 
Frisky Feline said:
does anyone volunteer to criticizing me if I think that Deaf culture are only for sign language? I sure do think that Deaf cultures are for anyone who uses ASL that have culturally immersion. If those deaf or hoh kids who prefer to speak alone then they know who they are, and are not part of deaf culture. So that's the whole point is that my thread is created.
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That is the whole point of Deaf Culture. It was not suppose to be about spoken language and listening. Of course, we can depend on lipreading sometimes with hearing people. But we are talking about Deaf Culture, period.

Faire_jour did not understand Deaf Culture. She was talking about different thing and is still hoping that her daughter and every deaf child, whether hearing aids or CIs, would immerse into spoken language and listening.

I have been through that in the mainstream school and I really hate that very much. That is why I don't feel like discussing with her every time she does not get it on our experience. She also think that CI will change everything so that we can hear and listen plus spoken language only if not ASL. But she knows we need ASL badly. She does not care for us to use ASL when it comes to hearing family conversations. That is all I have to say here. :roll:
 
Bebonang said:
She also think that CI will change everything so that we can hear and listen plus spoken language only if not ASL. But she knows we need ASL badly. She does not care for us to use ASL when it comes to hearing family conversations. That is all I have to say here. :roll:
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You do know that FJ has raised her daughter with ASL as her primary language, has fought to keep ASL in her daughter's academic curriculum, and is an outspoken proponent of bilingual education, right? Have you confused her with someone else?
 
GrendelQ said:
You do know that FJ has raised her daughter with ASL as her primary language, has fought to keep ASL in her daughter's academic curriculum, and is an outspoken proponent of bilingual education, right? Have you confused her with someone else?
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Yes, I know.

Then FJ is messing everything up when she is talking about spoken language and listening which is way out of wacko. She was not talking about Deaf Culture at all. That is off topic anyway. :roll:
 
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