So, will the deaf culture be there?

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Frisky Feline said:
To be honest, I have met SO many oral deaf people but i haven't seen their attitudes that are cheery. Like the oral deaf people seems not to be willing to deal with me. How strange that hearing people can deal with me according to their comparison with deaf oral people and hearing people's attitudes are completely different. Interesting! Maybe my prefer of using ASL that offend the oral deaf people. :dunno: I swear that I do respect them if they prefer to speak only. In fact, Half of oral deaf people started learning ASL and their attitudes become more cheery to me.
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Sometime it's just a question of the compatibility of the communication involved whereas some who are oral may use SEE more and think that some deaf people are "too ASL" for them or some of the deaf would think that some oral people are "too SEE" for them, etc. It doesn't necessarily make one or another "bad". That's just life and also involves the hearing people and the different languages or cultures, etc.
 
HHIssues said:
Did it ever occur to you that maybe there's ALSO a possibility than some were "brainwashed" into thinking that the Deaf / ASL route was the way to go? As a matter of fact I think that may have even been in the back of some of the supposedly "oral converted into deaf"'s mind "Uh-oh, perhaps maybe I shouldn't have gone this way..." Especially now that they're seeing all those advances in Science, Technology, CI's, etc... And are concerned about it and are trying to make it look like they were "right" by taking the "Deaf" route, etc...
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When you have a ton of oral-deaf converting into ASL users and are really happy... on their own...... It's a surefire sign that "the others" arent brainwashed..

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HHIssues said:
Did it ever occur to you that maybe there's ALSO a possibility than some were "brainwashed" into thinking that the Deaf / ASL route was the way to go? As a matter of fact I think that may have even been in the back of some of the supposedly "oral converted into deaf"'s mind "Uh-oh, perhaps maybe I shouldn't have gone this way..." Especially now that they're seeing all those advances in Science, Technology, CI's, etc... And are concerned about it and are trying to make it look like they were "right" by taking the "Deaf" route, etc...
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I haven't met an former oral deaf people who felt that way. All love being involved with the Deaf community and using ASL.

I love going to Deaf events, ASL shows and etc.

Deaf Way II was one of the most amazing event I had ever experienced in all of my life because it showed the beauty of ASL and international sign languages all comming together.

I wouldn't trade any of that for a CI just to fit in a world that has treated me like a 2nd class citizen growing up.
 
Personally I dont see anything wrong with wanting to assimilate with the majority of the population. That to me applies to anyone from a given "culture" that is surrounded by a majority of a different "culture". That said I also see nothing wrong if people dont want to assimilate but if you are the minority then you are pretty much isolating yourself within your minority culture and for some there is nothing wrong with that.

For the folks that want to assimilate I say more power to you. For those that don't, I have complete respect for thieir decisions and would never suggest anyone's choice is right or wrong or that someone is being brainwashed.

It's about choices that individuals make or that parents make for their children that are not old enough to comprehend the issues of such decisions. It's about live and let live. When people reach a certian age and understanding they have the freewill to take any path they choose. If someone decides to remain in d/Deaf culture then so be it. If someone decides to assimilate with the majority culture then so be it.

In my personal opinion I think it is wrong for any culture to shun someone just because they have assimilated with another culture. That is nothing more than eliteist garbage in my view.

Peace!!
 
As I have stated a million times here in AD, I believe in giving every deaf child exposure to both worlds and both languages so they can grow up and decide whether to stay involved with both, be involved with the hearing world, or the Deaf world only.

Never advocated it must be the ASL route only and I have always advocated against the oral-only route.

I haven't seen anyone here say it is the ASL ONLY way..most deaf people have supported with giving both to everyone.

I lash out when people say that deaf people should get CIs, deaf people r isolating themselves by being in the Deaf community only and etc. That's audism and it is not something I will tolerate nor allow in my personal life.

If I end up standing alone here because of my views, then so be it.
 
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You'll never stand alone my dear friend. There are some days I feel some people here could do themselves a favour by getting on with the program.
 
shel90 said:
As I have stated a million times here in AD, I believe in giving every deaf child exposure to both worlds and both languages so they can grow up and decide whether to stay involved with both, be involved with the hearing world, or the Deaf world only.

Never advocated it must be the ASL route only and I have always advocated against the oral-only route.

I haven't seen anyone here say it is the ASL ONLY way..most deaf people have supported with giving both to everyone.

I lash out when people say that deaf people should get CIs, deaf people r isolating themselves by being in the Deaf community only and etc. That's audism and it is not something I will tolerate nor allow in my personal life.

If I end up standing alone here because of my views, then so be it.
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With all due respect Shel, the bolded part above is where you and I will have to agree to disagree. I believe any culture (not just deaf culture) is isolating themselves if they don't assimilate with the majority culture. In my view there is no other way to look at it. I am not saying that is a bad thing. It's just a fact of numbers and the reality of it.
 
If that's how you view it RD, that's your right but I disagree.

I used to be assimilated with the majority growing up but I always felt so alone and isolated. With the Deaf community, I finally feel like I am a part of a community and don't feel so alone anymore. Of course, it is human nature not to want to feel so alone so why should I assimilate with the majority if it makes me so isolated? Life is too short.
 
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rockdrummer said:
Personally I dont see anything wrong with wanting to assimilate with the majority of the population. That to me applies to anyone from a given "culture" that is surrounded by a majority of a different "culture". That said I also see nothing wrong if people dont want to assimilate but if you are the minority then you are pretty much isolating yourself within your minority culture and for some there is nothing wrong with that.

For the folks that want to assimilate I say more power to you. For those that don't, I have complete respect for thieir decisions and would never suggest anyone's choice is right or wrong or that someone is being brainwashed.

It's about choices that individuals make or that parents make for their children that are not old enough to comprehend the issues of such decisions. It's about live and let live. When people reach a certian age and understanding they have the freewill to take any path they choose. If someone decides to remain in d/Deaf culture then so be it. If someone decides to assimilate with the majority culture then so be it.

In my personal opinion I think it is wrong for any culture to shun someone just because they have assimilated with another culture. That is nothing more than eliteist garbage in my view.

Peace!!
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Great message -- I completely agree, RD.
 
shel90 said:
If that's how you view it RD, that's your right but I disagree.

I used to be assimilated with the majority growing up but I always felt so alone and isolated. With the Deaf community, I finally feel like I am a part of a community and don't feel so alone anymore. Of course, it is human nature not to want to feel so alone so why should I assimilate with the majority if it makes me so isolated? Life is too short.
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I understand your point and to a certian extent I agree with what you are saying. I am not talking about how one feels but more of the facts of it. If you don't learn how to communicate with another culture you have isolated yourself from communicating. That has nothing to do with how a person feels and is meerly an undeniable fact.
 
I can communicate with the majority only in small groups or one on one setting but when it was 24/7 thing, it was tooo much work for me because I had to constantly work at communicating, educating, and adapting to their hearing needs. All I wanted was them to meet me halfway but most didn't so I stopped trying so hard 24/7. It wasn't worth it.
 
hilarious.. here we have deaf people stating their experiences.. then the hearing parents that wants the best for their child...

guess what.. we had hearing parents that wanted the best for us too....

Insert critical thinking here, again.
 
shel90 said:
I can communicate with the majority only in small groups or one on one setting but when it was 24/7 thing, it was tooo much work for me because I had to constantly work at communicating, educating, and adapting to their hearing needs. All I wanted was them to meet me halfway but most didn't so I stopped trying so hard 24/7. It wasn't worth it.
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Then I am not referring to you because you can communicate in both worlds. I am talking about anyone from any culture (it's not just a deaf culture thing) that chooses to not communicate with the majority culture.
 
posts from hell said:
hilarious.. here we have deaf people stating their experiences.. then the hearing parents that wants the best for their child...

guess what.. we had hearing parents that wanted the best for us too....

Insert critical thinking here, again.
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I am not sure what your point is. I can tell you from the experiences shared by other deaf individuals on this and other sites that there is a mixed bag of some who are happy with the choices they and their parents have made and some that are not. In my opinion that is to be expected as it is in all walks of life. Not just for deaf people.
 
posts from hell said:
hilarious.. here we have deaf people stating their experiences.. then the hearing parents that wants the best for their child...

guess what.. we had hearing parents that wanted the best for us too....

Insert critical thinking here, again.
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Ha. thats true.
 
HHIssues said:
Sometime it's just a question of the compatibility of the communication involved whereas some who are oral may use SEE more and think that some deaf people are "too ASL" for them or some of the deaf would think that some oral people are "too SEE" for them, etc. It doesn't necessarily make one or another "bad". That's just life and also involves the hearing people and the different languages or cultures, etc.
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I agree. I ve made my efforts by talking to some of deaf oral people who does not know ASL and they seem not to feel comfortable talking to me and cut off the conversation with me while I made my effort by talking to hearing people and some of them were willing to talk to me in many ways of talking. That's what i am talking about. I even tried to be friendly to the deaf oral people but i am under the impressed that they aren't comfortable with me. That's their entitle to feel the way.
 
shel90 said:
As I have stated a million times here in AD, I believe in giving every deaf child exposure to both worlds and both languages so they can grow up and decide whether to stay involved with both, be involved with the hearing world, or the Deaf world only.

Never advocated it must be the ASL route only and I have always advocated against the oral-only route.

I haven't seen anyone here say it is the ASL ONLY way..most deaf people have supported with giving both to everyone.

I lash out when people say that deaf people should get CIs, deaf people r isolating themselves by being in the Deaf community only and etc. That's audism and it is not something I will tolerate nor allow in my personal life.

If I end up standing alone here because of my views, then so be it.
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I do not mind for deaf/hoh kids who learn both as long as they have a full acess to language so its up to them when they get older and form of their own minds who they are.
 
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