So, will the deaf culture be there?

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Frisky Feline said:
I agree. I ve made my efforts by talking to some of deaf oral people who does not know ASL and they seem not to feel comfortable talking to me and cut off the conversation with me while I made my effort by talking to hearing people and some of them were willing to talk to me in many ways of talking. That's what i am talking about. I even tried to be friendly to the deaf oral people but i am under the impressed that they aren't comfortable with me. That's their entitle to feel the way.
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They probably think you expect them to know too much ASL, whereas the hearing people know you expect them to not know much so there is no pressure.
 
rockdrummer said:
Personally I dont see anything wrong with wanting to assimilate with the majority of the population. That to me applies to anyone from a given "culture" that is surrounded by a majority of a different "culture". That said I also see nothing wrong if people dont want to assimilate but if you are the minority then you are pretty much isolating yourself within your minority culture and for some there is nothing wrong with that.

For the folks that want to assimilate I say more power to you. For those that don't, I have complete respect for thieir decisions and would never suggest anyone's choice is right or wrong or that someone is being brainwashed.

It's about choices that individuals make or that parents make for their children that are not old enough to comprehend the issues of such decisions. It's about live and let live. When people reach a certian age and understanding they have the freewill to take any path they choose. If someone decides to remain in d/Deaf culture then so be it. If someone decides to assimilate with the majority culture then so be it.

In my personal opinion I think it is wrong for any culture to shun someone just because they have assimilated with another culture. That is nothing more than eliteist garbage in my view.

Peace!!
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mmm I am not sure about this one. It's all about being exposed with many different cultures and education and more respect for each other than insisting them to learn their way based on the majority of population instead of learning both. That is where the problem is.
 
Bottesini said:
They probably think you expect them to know too much ASL, whereas the hearing people know you expect them to not know much so there is no pressure.
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How? I even wrote on a pad to the deaf oral people and they seem not to like it. :dunno:
 
Frisky Feline said:
mmm I am not sure about this one. It's all about being exposed with many different cultures and education and more respect for each other than insisting them to learn their way based on the majority of population instead of learning both. That is where the problem is.
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Yes, insisting deaf people to coform with the majority but not expect the majority to do some conforming as well is the big problem.
 
In hearing world, I was more sheltered among familiar people than I was assimilated. My world is actually small compare to deaf people who have over 300- 1,000 friends on their FB list *wide eyes* I barely have 100 FB friends (would have been less if I didn't add my favorite weatherman and such to my FB friends) .

But anyway, I don't think deaf people are isolating themselves because they don't use speech.
 
rockdrummer said:
With all due respect Shel, the bolded part above is where you and I will have to agree to disagree. I believe any culture (not just deaf culture) is isolating themselves if they don't assimilate with the majority culture. In my view there is no other way to look at it. I am not saying that is a bad thing. It's just a fact of numbers and the reality of it.
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I agree
 
Frisky Feline said:
mmm I am not sure about this one. It's all about being exposed with many different cultures and education and more respect for each other than insisting them to learn their way based on the majority of population instead of learning both. That is where the problem is.
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Yes, insisting deaf people to coform with the majority but not expect the majority to do some conforming as well is the big problem.
 
Frisky Feline said:
do the vice versa thing with deaf community who prefer of using ASL.
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How do I not? I used ASL with my child, she is a part of the Deaf community, I continue to volunteer at the bi-bi school, I advocate for parents to choose ASL (while still respect their choice) and in my area, help the parents find resources as well as help them get what their child needs for the school.

I have NEVER said that people should not choose to use ASL. What you have a problem with is that I say that they also have a right to use spoken language.
 
Bottesini said:
I don't know then. It should not have been a problem.
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I know.. It was only time with that person. Others i met deaf oral people and made small talks that they were nice enough to talk to me but seem not to want to talk more any futher.
 
Frisky Feline said:
I know.. It was only time with that person. Others i met deaf oral people and made small talks that they were nice enough to talk to me but seem not to want to talk more any futher.
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In my experience with my deaf sister, I think communication is frustrating enough being oral. I guess that's why they keep it short but I don't know why they won't write. I guess it is the for same reasons... They don't have the patience because they are dealing with so much already. I'm not sure that the case with the oral people you met. But with my sister, we always keep it short.
 
shel90 said:
As I have stated a million times here in AD, I believe in giving every deaf child exposure to both worlds and both languages so they can grow up and decide whether to stay involved with both, be involved with the hearing world, or the Deaf world only.

Never advocated it must be the ASL route only and I have always advocated against the oral-only route.

I haven't seen anyone here say it is the ASL ONLY way..most deaf people have supported with giving both to everyone.

I lash out when people say that deaf people should get CIs, deaf people r isolating themselves by being in the Deaf community only and etc. That's audism and it is not something I will tolerate nor allow in my personal life.
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Actully, I was told by a poster (and several agreed) that AV therapy is cruel. Also, PFH said that speech therapy is a waste of time. Not to mention the poster who says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a child to learn to listen.
 
I believe they are talking for certain deaf people who are not interested.

And AVT can be cruel to unaided deaf (or deaf who struggle with hearing with any devices) anyway.
 
Then ask them if it should be ASL only route.
 
shel90 said:
I can communicate with the majority only in small groups or one on one setting but when it was 24/7 thing, it was tooo much work for me because I had to constantly work at communicating, educating, and adapting to their hearing needs. All I wanted was them to meet me halfway but most didn't so I stopped trying so hard 24/7. It wasn't worth it.
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And that is fine for you, but that is not the only acceptable solution. Just because that is how you feel, it doesn't mean that every oral deaf person felt that way. There are many that continue to be happy being oral and choose not to learn or use ASL.
 
posts from hell said:
hilarious.. here we have deaf people stating their experiences.. then the hearing parents that wants the best for their child...

guess what.. we had hearing parents that wanted the best for us too....

Insert critical thinking here, again.
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But I'm not suppose to believe all of oral deaf adults I've met? Their opinion doesn't count? The fact that they tell me that they are happy with the way they grew up, that they are sooooo thankful that their parents gave them hearing and spoken language, and that they advocate FOR oralism....that doesn't matter? A parent needs to weigh BOTH sides and decide what is best for THEIR child.
 
deafgal001 said:
I believe they are talking for certain deaf people who are not interested.

And AVT can be cruel to unaided deaf (or deaf who struggle with hearing with any devices) anyway.
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Yes, it would be cruel, but no AV therapist would ever work with an unaided child, and most insist that if a child is struggling that the parents stop AV therapy and do a different methodology.
 
shel90 said:
Then ask them if it should be ASL only route.
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So it would be acceptable to you to do a Dual language immersion approach? ASL for some time and spoken language immersion for the rest, as well as intensive AV therapy?
 
faire_jour said:
How do I not? I used ASL with my child, she is a part of the Deaf community, I continue to volunteer at the bi-bi school, I advocate for parents to choose ASL (while still respect their choice) and in my area, help the parents find resources as well as help them get what their child needs for the school.

I have NEVER said that people should not choose to use ASL. What you have a problem with is that I say that they also have a right to use spoken language.
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Sorry I can't discuss with you as to why I replied it to you. Apparently, you changed your post in my quote with the link that i clicked on it but it ended up that your post was not there. Sorry. You may click on my quote with the link.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Sorry I can't discuss with you as to why I replied it to you. Apparently, you changed your post in my quote with the link that i clicked on it but it ended up that your post was not there. Sorry. You may click on my quote with the link.
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I haven't changed my posts, except to correct spelling. What are you talking about?
 
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