Snubbing the Deaf community?

jillio said:
Finding a cure for disabilities is not normal. Positive self esteem, and well adjusted attitude toward self is normal. Belief that one is inferior simply because one is different is not normal. It is a self destructive pattern of thought.
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So the doctor who invented CI is not normal? So Dr. Clark is not normal? No wonder, I had a feeling that he wasn't happy about the fact that his father is deaf.

I get what you mean by that. I see that you mean that a person who is not at peace with his/her disablity is not going to be a happy person. One gotta make peace with the disability in order to be relaxed about life.
 
nope said:
I'm not saying it's true; I don't have near enough experience with Deaf Culture. I just know that I would have a hard time sitting in an art club meeting with someone who thinks art is stupid, or a waste of time, or makes you dumber.
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Well said! Well said!
 
shel90 said:
maybe not in YOUR experience but it happens.
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Can you at least provide a source please, I'm sure there's a story out there if this had happened before.

Most of the time, deaf people are denied being acceptance by a few hardcore Deaf prides because they are not "true" deaf, and does not share the same experience from being deaf. This had happened to most of us.
 
Cheri said:
Can you at least provide a source please, I'm sure there's a story out there if this had happened before.

Most of the time, deaf people are denied being acceptance by a few hardcore Deaf prides because they are not "true" deaf, and does not share the same experience from being deaf. This had happened to most of us.
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That could well be the case, Cheri. This is probably be the most prevalent instances of such attitudes of extremism happening rather than the other way around. At least that what it appears to be the case.
 
jillio said:
Yep. The oral person who walks into Deaf community with the demand that those present must communicate orally because the oral person doesn't know sign is not going to get a good reception. You walk into Deaf Culture, then you adjust to their values and norms. You don't demand that they adjust to yours. Deaf or hearing.
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ha ha it brought my memory back. During my college year, one guy who transferred from RIT to gally. When the teacher asked him to asnwer the question during the classsroom. He simply speak without signing. I had to ask him to sign it. He gave me a dirty face and then he signed it for my sake. We didn't get along well for the whole semester. In a few years later, we become friends that he signs religiously all the way. :giggle:
 
nope said:
I think you might be right. It's hard to accept people who don't accept you in the first place. And what well-established group wants to change how they work just to suit one member?

I may be completely off-base here, but in class we had a late-deafened woman come talk to us. She went on and on about all that she had lost and how she was so disabled now. In comparison, the deaf professor always makes a point to say that Deaf people don't feel disabled. They aren't lacking in any way. They simply can't hear or can't hear well. I cannot imagine the two of them bonding over their deafness, because the late-deafened woman only sees her deafness as entirely negative while the teacher just sees deafness as a part of her -- like curly hair or freckles. It doesn't define her, but it's a small part of who she is. She's certainly not ashamed of it or anything.

I'm not saying it's true; I don't have near enough experience with Deaf Culture. I just know that I would have a hard time sitting in an art club meeting with someone who thinks art is stupid, or a waste of time, or makes you dumber.
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I based my observation on over 20 years of involvement with Deaf Culture. And you are quite correct in differences in the way that those deafened from birth, or very early in childhood, view their deafness as opposed to those that are late deafened. Those that are late deafened have suffered a loss. Those who are prelingually deafened haven't: they never had hearing to loose.

DeafCulture serves as an insulator for its members. It is a place where they are free to be themselves. A place where their deafness is the norm and not considered to be a strange variation of hearing. It is where they are free to communicate in a way that is natural to them; a way that allows for complete understanding without all of the hassels they experience in the hearing world. It is a place where they feel understood and accepted. Most have never had an experience that compares when trying to function in the hearing culture.

So, yes, when someone tries to force them to function in the same way they would have to in the hearing world, it is a threat to their security and their happiness. Of course they would reject any attempt to do that.

I am sure we are all familiar with the phrase: "When you are in my house, you follow my rules. In your house, you are free to follow your rules." The same applies here.
 
Cheri said:
Can you at least provide a source please, I'm sure there's a story out there if this had happened before.

Most of the time, deaf people are denied being acceptance by a few hardcore Deaf prides because they are not "true" deaf, and does not share the same experience from being deaf. This had happened to most of us.
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I have seen it happen on this very forum. Not to mention in the real world.:cool2:
 
kokonut said:
That could well be the case, Cheri. This is probably be the most prevalent instances of such attitudes of extremism happening rather than the other way around. At least that what it appears to be the case.
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Perhaps you should go back and check several of the instances you have posted about. It is clear that attitude, and not signing ability was the problem, and numerous Deaf have attempted to inform you of that. It appears that continues to be the problem.
 
I see more people snubbing the Deaf community than the other way around.... so I disagree with Cheri and kokonut.

It's simple-- don't brag about your speaking ability, and you will be fine, but a lot of people seems to forget about this.
 
Frisky Feline said:
ha ha it brought my memory back. During my college year, one guy who transferred from RIT to gally. When the teacher asked him to asnwer the question during the classsroom. He simply speak without signing. I had to ask him to sign it. He gave me a dirty face and then he signed it for my sake. We didn't get along well for the whole semester. In a few years later, we become friends that he signs religiously all the way. :giggle:
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He finally got the message!:lol: Unforunately, some never do, and continue to blame the Deaf Community for the fact that their own attitude needs adjusted.:giggle:
 
jillio said:
Perhaps you should go back and check several of the instances you have posted about. It is clear that attitude, and not signing ability was the problem, and numerous Deaf have attempted to inform you of that. It appears that continues to be the problem.
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Yep, it's usually the attitude that is the problem.
 
souggy said:
I see more people snubbing the Deaf community than the other way around.... so I disagree with Cheri and kokonut.

It's simple-- don't brag about your speaking ability, and you will be fine, but a lot of people seems to forget about this.
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Who's bragging about their speaking abilities? If a person who's deaf want to speak and sign, they have that right to speak and sign the same time, who is it to say that they cannot speak and sign the same time? The sign language used by the Deaf Community is not universal. Sign language exists in different forms. Even signing individuals do not necessarily use the same signs as other deaf people.

I've seen some oral people had rejected the Deaf Community but I sure did not see any oral person walks their way in the Community and demand that deaf people should speak orally. Have you?
 
Cheri said:
I've seen some oral people had rejected the Deaf Community but I sure did not see any oral person walks their way in the Community and demand that deaf people should speak orally. Have you?
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Yes, especially if they know i can talk. I am always tempted to speak French when they demand me to speak.
 
Cheri said:
Who's bragging about their speaking abilities?
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You'll be surprised.

I've seen some oral people had rejected the Deaf Community but I sure did not see any oral person walks their way in the Community and demand that deaf people should speak orally. Have you?
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I've seen it happen in front of my eyes on quite a few occasions.
 
Well, I sure haven't seen anyone bragging about their speaking abilities only that they're glad that they learned how to speak. So what? It's the same as how a deaf person say they can hear better with cochlear implant than they did with hearing aids. Again so what. Why does it bother you guys?
 
souggy said:
It's not the learning hwo to speak or having a CI that bothers me. It's how people treat each others.
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exaclty. when i first met three people and chatted for like three hours later. i learned that they have CIs. They did not even try to show off how great they hear the musics in front of me.
 
souggy said:
Yes, especially if they know i can talk. I am always tempted to speak French when they demand me to speak.
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A lot of deaf people knows that I can talk, they had never asked me to communicate orally with them without the use of signs. If they did, I'll tell them off, the same way I'll tell a deaf person off who says that I cannot sign and speak the same time. I don't tell any deaf person how they should communicate, I expect the same respect in return.
 
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