Snubbing the Deaf community?

RIght. I was offended by the guy I met at the bookstore who was grateful to have a CI to learn so many different languages without having to rely on ASL. Why?

I had to learn how to speak English, and French without my hearing aids (I am severe-to-profound deaf by the way.) Plus I managed to pick up Japanese (something I won't confess to learning publicly) and Plautdietsch along the way. Ontop of that I also know ASL and SEE..

So to snub the Deaf community's ASL in favour of spoken languages offend those that are multilingual or has went through extensive speech therapies. It makes us go: "why the hell did we even bother learning how to speak if CI is so wonderful?"
 
Whenever I speak, I sign at the same time when conversing with deafies....Late deafned. Or just a habit...Of course, hearies treat me different, and most times I'm glad they do, because if they just talked without looking directly at me and slowing down, I would not understand. A lot of uneducated hearies don't know how to converse with deafies....but the fact that they "do try" is great with me!

I've had many deafies say..."she's hearing, right?"....Or she's HOH?....and turn their heads. I've gotten "snubbed" many times from full deafies. And with hearies also.....

I've helped a lot of full deafies in my time...and hearies too. Still, I get "snubbed" by both of them at times. It's a hard pill to swallow, it hurts, doesn't it? We cannot expect hearies to learn sign language all the time, as hearies should not expect all deaies to speak clearly. It's like a Spanish person speaking to an English person, we can't demand they learn/know our language. All I can do, is to try, try again! Attitude is important too.
 
Cheri said:
A lot of deaf people knows that I can talk, they had never asked me to communicate orally with them without the use of signs. If they did, I'll tell them off, the same way I'll tell a deaf person off who says that I cannot sign and speak the same time. I don't tell any deaf person how they should communicate, I expect the same respect in return.
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Sometimes, they may suggest that you not speak and sign at the same time because it can be distracting. It's different for everyone.
 
Cheri said:
A lot of deaf people knows that I can talk, they had never asked me to communicate orally with them without the use of signs. If they did, I'll tell them off, the same way I'll tell a deaf person off who says that I cannot sign and speak the same time. I don't tell any deaf person how they should communicate, I expect the same respect in return.
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The very fact that you are sim-comming is a violation of Deaf Culture norms.
 
rockin'robin said:
Whenever I speak, I sign at the same time when conversing with deafies....Late deafned. Or just a habit...Of course, hearies treat me different, and most times I'm glad they do, because if they just talked without looking directly at me and slowing down, I would not understand. A lot of uneducated hearies don't know how to converse with deafies....but the fact that they "do try" is great with me!

I've had many deafies say..."she's hearing, right?"....Or she's HOH?....and turn their heads. I've gotten "snubbed" many times from full deafies. And with hearies also.....

I've helped a lot of full deafies in my time...and hearies too. Still, I get "snubbed" by both of them at times. It's a hard pill to swallow, it hurts, doesn't it? We cannot expect hearies to learn sign language all the time, as hearies should not expect all deaies to speak clearly. It's like a Spanish person speaking to an English person, we can't demand they learn/know our language. All I can do, is to try, try again! Attitude is important too.
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If you are being snubbed by both groups, perhaps it is not the groups that is the issue.:cool2:
 
Banjo said:
Sometimes, they may suggest that you not speak and sign at the same time because it can be distracting. It's different for everyone.
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Seconded, I often go into the Deaf community without my hearing aid. I ask people to sign only because when they speak since I only get half of the conversation when they speak because when they do, they leave out the verbs while they are signing.

"What? Dog house milk car?"

Of course, then they accuse me of not pulling the same standard on interpreters... Excuuuuuuuuse me... interpreters are already trained to speak AND sign without leaving out the verbs and classifiers when interacting with the deaf. There's a difference between being trained professionally... and actually trying to do it on your own.
 
jillio said:
The very fact that you are sim-comming is a violation of Deaf Culture norms.
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If so then why do deaf people need interpreters? All my interpreters had mouth their words as they sign. I had never had an interpreter that kept their mouth closes as they sign. :dunno:
 
Are they mouthing or they are speaking?

If they are mouthing, that's common in the Deaf culture. It's called mouth morphemes.
 
Cheri said:
If so then why do deaf people need interpreters? All my interpreters had mouth their words as they sign. I had never had an interpreter that kept their mouth closes as they sign. :dunno:
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Your interpreters might because you are TC, and you sign and speak at the same time. Watch an ASL based interpreter. They use mouth morphemes related to ASL. They do not mouth words in English order as they sign ASL.

ASL is the language of Deaf Culture. Not sim-com, and not MCEs. Those are hearing inventions.
 
jillio said:
Your interpreters might because you are TC, and you sign and speak at the same time. Watch an ASL based interpreter. They use mouth morphemes related to ASL. They do not mouth words in English order as they sign ASL.
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I was not only talking about interpreters at my school, I was talking about interpreters in general. They intend to mouth words (without voice) while signing.
 
Cheri said:
I was not only talking about interpreters at my school, I was talking about interpreters in general. They intend to mouth words (without voice) while signing.
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That's mouth morphemes.
 
Cheri said:
I was not only talking about interpreters at my school, I was talking about interpreters in general. They intend to mouth words (without voice) while signing.
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ASL terps do not mouth words. They mouth ASL morphemes.
 
souggy said:
Are they mouthing or they are speaking?

If they are mouthing, that's common in the Deaf culture. It's called mouth morphemes.
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Yeah mouthing (without voice), is that the word? Thanks, I learned something new today! ;)
 
Excellent video, souggy. And I think it is important to point out that morphemes like the FSH morpheme used in "finish" very closely resembles the mouth movement made in saying the word "finish". Someone who relies very heavily on speech reading and English word order could easily mistake the morpheme for an actual word. However, that in no way implies that words are being mouthed in ASL.
 
souggy said:
Yeah. I know. ;)

I was just keeping "100 most common used words in the English language" in mind, and see how a person who use sim-com or was raised orally could mix the two up.
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Oh, yeah. It is understandable that someone not familiar with ASL, and coming from a sim-com environment would confuse them.
 
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