Sin

[Momoftwo]

Sorry, it is still not convinced me BECAUSE there are many different bibles that are not the same AND it's been over TWO THOUSANDS YEARS OLD. The words kept changing since 2,000 years. HOW can you PROVE that this bible as you suggested is 100% proof??????

The best way is to BELIEVE in God and God KNOWS that it is VERY, VERY DIFFICULT for so many people to understand the bible AND many people keep other people so confusing due to their different beliefs. HOW can people convince them that this only ONE bible is the truth??? WHICH Bible is the TRUTH????? Seeee....there are many different regiliouses out there that they have different beliefs like catholics, JW, Jewish, etc.

I don't label myself as to which regilious I am in because God does NOT NEED the regilion groups at all. God needs people to be a very simply christian without labelling themselves as to which regilious they are in.

The MOST IMPORTANT thing is TO BELIEVE in God and Jesus died for us. PERIOD!

That's why there is impossible for you to convince me that this KJV bible is the truth. I've met some different people who are JW, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, etc. WOW...theeir beliefs are so different!

Sorry, you can't convince me.

Lastly, I am a HUGEEEEEE faith in God and Jesus died for us. That is the MOST important part. Again, God knows that it's so hard for so many people to believe the bible stories, which one is the truth because it's 2,000 years and people changed the words like twists. Think hard....2,000 years!!!!! Oh my gosh!

 

[Reba]

Sorry, I don't agree with you.

It's not me that you don't agree with; it is God. He made the rules, not me.

Sad to say, some people want to hold onto their guilt. Sometimes they feel they deserve punishment, or that they aren't "good" enough for God to forgive them. But truly, God can forgive each sin of each person, if the person is willing.

I'm very GLAD that my husband and I did sex before our marriage because what if we never did, we never know we would not be happy in the relationship like bad sex. No way!! I've heard that people who had sex after marriage and they ended up in DIVORCED!! That's not healthy.

Creating rationalizations for sin won't remove the guilt. It is better to confess that it was sin, and then let God forgive you for it. That will leave your heart with much more peace than you have now. That is true for every sin.

You don't need to justify or explain your past actions to anyone here at AD. It is between you and your husband, and you and God. It is really a private matter.

Ok, Reba,,,,

Let me ask you....

Do you shop on Sundays?

Do u think it's okay for people to go shopping on Sundays?

Do u think it's okay for men to have haircut in the front of the forehead?

Do u think it's okay for people to get tattoos?

Well, God said NO, don't go shopping on Sundays, don't work on Sundays, don't cut the men's hair above the forehead, don't get the tattoos.

Do you think the bible makes sense to you?

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if "do u think it's okay"; it matters what God says.

If you want to know what the Bible says about each thing (haircuts, shopping, etc.) then we can discuss that. But if you just ask me if I think it's "OK", or whether or not I do it, then that proves nothing to you.

Yes, the Bible makes sense.

Off the point, I am a HUGEEEEEE faith in God...

What does faith in God mean to you? Does it mean you believe what He says, that you obey His Word, and that you surrendered your eternal soul to Him? Or do you mean you get warm and fuzzy feelings about God like a nice grandfather who will accept whatever you do?

...and God is so very wonderful but I still find that the Bible is not what I agree with ...

How can God be "wonderful" but you reject the Book that He has lovingly given you?

Ahhh, perfect example, MANY hearing people including my husband don't agree with the scripture of Exodus 4:11 (it's about God who made people deaf on purpose) They believe that it just happened...not from God.

You are still struggling with this, yes?

This is your opinion and this is my opinion because this is how I understand.

Do you have Bible verses that support your beliefs?

God knows that it is impossible for everyone to udnerstand the scriptures of the whole bible.

If you truly want to understand, the Holy Spirit will guide you.

II Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Ephesians 1
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power

Colossians 1
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding

I Corinthians 2
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Reba]

...I asked my mother for her permission and she knew what the bible said but she listened to her heart...

God gives us His Word for advice because we can't trust our hearts.

Matthew 15
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Jeremiah 17
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?


God won't give a person peace about a sinful decision until it is confessed and repented.

God won't give advice that contradicts His Word.

...God allowed that so my mother told me yes that my husband can live with me.

God allows us to make our own decisions and mistakes. That doesn't mean He approves.

... Now, it's been almost 20 years of marriage and it is still very strong, very beautiful marriage. We still are very madly in love with each other and we can't imagine to be apart. We both are very cherished to each other.

Well, how do u explain to that??? We did live together and we did have sex before marriage. Well, we are still very, very happily married!!!!!!

That doesn't prove that you didn't commit a sin. Many people seem to live long happy lives in their sins, without God. That doesn't mean that you are right and God is wrong. Your lives aren't over yet.

I'm just wondering, if you truly believe that premarital sex is so "right" then why do you ponder it so much? Why, after 20 years, do you bring it up? I don't need to know the answer. No one here needs to know. It's not our business. But it is just something for you to think about.

Obviously, you were just in bad luck - just happened. I'm very sorry that it happened to you.

If you truly have faith in God, then you know that there is no such thing as "luck"; things don't "just happen".

 

[Reba]

...I talked to few very strong christians about the bible and they told me that they don't believe half of it in the bible. They said that the most important is to believe in God and Jesus who died for us. period! I totally agree with them.

How can a person "believe in God and Jesus" in he/she doesn't believe what God and Jesus told us in the Bible? If a person doesn't believe the Bible, that is the same as calling God a liar.

How can a person be a Christian if he/she doesn't "believe half of it in the bible"? The answer: it's not possible. If you reject the Bible, you reject God.

The bible stories are TWO THOUSANDS YEARS OLD and today is changed.

I'm sorry that I don't believe some of it in the bible because it does NOT make sense to me because some of them are so old and today is so different than 2,000 yrs ago.

Actually, the entire Bible is much older than 2,000 years.

You say that you don't believe the Bible because it is "so old". God is even older. God is eternal. If you can't believe the Bible because it is old, how can you believe God? He is much, much older than the Bible.

So, it drives me crazy! I just talked to my sister about you all of your opinions and she said that is your opinions because the bible does not make sense sometimes.

I guess that's her "opinion".

The MOST important thing is that I believe in God and Jesus who died for us.

Yes, it is important to believe in God and Jesus. Sadly, you don't believe God or Jesus.

That's all matters to me. My relatives, family members and friends of mine agree with me about believe in God and Jesus. Forget about the bible because it does not make sense to today....I found some scriptures that it makes sense which is about 50%. The rest of other 50% don't make sense.

I'm sorry but God doesn't depend on polls, votes, or how many people agree. God is God.

If you say, "forget about the bible" then you are going against God.

If you want to go against God, then that is your decision. You are free to do that. But you will have to accept the consequences when you face the LORD at judgment.

Anyway, I still have a HUGEEEE faith in God and I am a very strong christian which means that I totally believe in God and Jesus who died for us. The bible has only morals (stories) which is hard to believe and some doesnt make sense.

If you don't believe what the Bible says, then how can you believe what it says about God and Jesus?

Either you believe in God, Jesus, and the Bible, or you don't believe in God, Jesus and the Bible. You can't have it both ways. It is the Bible that tells us about God and Jesus.

Again:

II Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

God told me in my heart today and He said, "not to worry" with his smile feeling.

That might not be God.

He knows that it is very, very difficult for so many people to understand the bible scriptures

God knows it might be hard but He also makes ways for people to understand.

I'm a very good person, very loving person.

I'm not judging you. I just want you to know what God says.

Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

Isaiah 64
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

I John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him [Jesus], if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

... talking about regilious stuff is wayy too sticky that can cause arguings....

Truth can be painful.

 

[Momoftwo]

Reba,

This is short note for you.

I caught your word "reject" but you deleted it. You said to me, "You reject God". I couldn't believe your comment. No, You are wrong! I never reject God at all.

You think it is not God who talked to me about "not to worry". I already prayed to God in His name with Amen. It's between Him and me...not you.

Lastly, I told my brothers and sisters in the email about your comments. My sister who is a Sunday School teacher for many years - she involves in the bible study. She is a methodist. She and my other siblings will tell me what they will say about you.

You know what????? I am not here to brag to you BUT many people found me, my husband and my two children VERY, VERY SPECIAL from God even though they met other deaf people but they did not find them very special from God.

YES, I have a HUGE faith in God, I am very close to God, BUT except the Bible itself...26 different bibles that are not the same as 100%, everyone has different beliefs like me. You and I have different beliefs which don't mean that we reject God. Sure, we all are sinned. I already told God...."if that's what you mean by saying no sex before marriage, then I am sorry and pls forgive me and of course I am not perfect cuz im sinned".....if that is what He meant for that scripture. Some people have different beliefs on no sex before marriage...some people said yes and some other people said no about this scripture of no sex bef. marriage. Some people said it's ok to abortion....we don't know which one is right. Very strong regilious woman told me that she does not believe that God made me deaf. Other regilious woman thinks it's ok to have abortion...other people think its okay to have tattoos. I said what??? which one is right...who is right???? So, there is no way for EVERYONE to know the 100% answers except only God knows because He has the 100% answers. We don't.

I will get back to you after I get emails from my siblings tmw about you.

I still can't believe it what you said about me. AGAIN, I HAVE A HUGEEEEE FAITH IN GOD, Believe in Jesus who died for us, I believe some of the stories in the Bible but not all due to strange stories, strange stuffs like no shopping on sundays, no works on sundays, no haircut for men in the front of foreheads, red meat, etc....My deaf christian friend told me that she KNOWS that it is very very difficult for so many people to udnerstand what it means. She said it very very very nicely.

 

[Momoftwo]

Reba-

No, I am NOT struggling about whether or not God made me deaf BECAUSE YES God made me deaf. You are wrong.

 

[Momoftwo]

Reba-

I found your words....

You said...
"How can God be "wonderful" but you reject the Book that He has lovingly given you?"

I say to you....

I can't believe it for what you said!!!! NO, I don't reject that Bible book. I just have a hard time believing after reading that scriptures....your husband had his hair cutted in the front of his forehead so is my husband, too...so are the ministers, too. Is that ok with you??? If you say no, why can't you tell your husband NOT to cut his hair? Hard time to believe in the scriptures (some or few) doesn't mean that I reject the Bible. NO, you are totally wrong! I can't believe it about you!!

My kids' Sunday School teacher told my kids...she doesn't believe in all of the bible - just some....why?? because some of the stories don't make sense to her, few rules don't make sense to her like dont go shopping on sundays, don't get tattoos, etc.

Maybe you MISUNDERSTOOD me. That's why I realized it is NOT worth for me to post here. I prefer deaf woman who is a bible study teacher who happens to be my friend for so many years. She told me to call her thru VP after Christmas.

It's very hard to explain to you of what I am trying to say. I realized that it got a lot worse. In fact, I still have a problem with the words that can cause people misunderstanding me...hard to explain to u....my sister found me thru emails...sometimes, I explained clearly and sometimes not that can caused people confused but I never meant for what I was trying to say. That's why I prefer to talk to a deaf christian person.

Wow, I can't believe it at you because you said, that is not God's talking to you...I'm sorry...yes it was God's talking to me.

Merry Christmas!

Momoftwo

 

[The*Empress]

I don't know why people are argueing about this.

 

[Momoftwo]

I don't know why people are argueing about this.

I KNOW!! Especially Reba and Cyberred!! I couldn't believe it at them! Their words were way too harsh - so unfriendly - too bold...that disgusted me.

But just let them go.

 

[The*Empress]

I KNOW!! Especially Reba and Cyberred!! I couldn't believe it at them! Their words were way too harsh - so unfriendly - too bold...that disgusted me.

But just let them go.

Religion is an endless debate, so yeah let them go.

 

[Maria]

I KNOW!! Especially Reba and Cyberred!! I couldn't believe it at them! Their words were way too harsh - so unfriendly - too bold...that disgusted me.

But just let them go.

Too harsh for you ? Well, to be honest - Truth can hurt you. Jesus can hurt you, because He is the Truth. I am sorry that you feel this way about Him. I just simply follow what Jesus says.

Oh, one more thing... my BIGGEST question I would like to ask you: Why is it that you are arguin' with Jesus when He just simply tells the Truth about fornication ?

 

[shel90]

This is why I am not a religous person and keep things simple. Really, from my understanding, everyone has a different perspective of the Bible's scriptures. There is no one "right" way to interpret it. Just putting my 2 cents in.

 

[Momoftwo]

Too harsh for you ? Well, to be honest - Truth can hurt you. Jesus can hurt you, because He is the Truth. I am sorry that you feel this way about Him. I just simply follow what Jesus says.

Oh, one more thing... my BIGGEST question I would like to ask you: Why is it that you are arguin' with Jesus when He just simply tells the Truth about fornication ?

No, the Truth did not hurt me at all. I only DISAGREE with you and Reba. I am sorry that you feel this way. I just simply follow what Jesus says.

Your biggest question....I did not argue with Jesus...I only disagree with you.

I'm with Jesus and God TOTALLY!

 

[Momoftwo]

This is why I am not a religous person and keep things simple. Really, from my understanding, everyone has a different perspective of the Bible's scriptures. There is no one "right" way to interpret it. Just putting my 2 cents in.

EXACTLY!! There is no one "right" way to interpret it.

Very well said!!

Reba and Cyberred- it's their opinions.

No, the truth did not hurt me at all but what upset me was Reba and Cyberred's bashings...I still disagree with their opinions. There is no one "right" way to interpret it.

See...many people did not come here and discuss about this because they know that no one knows the real answer.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Well, there is something to know the difference btwn bashing and POV. Yes, that's sadden me some not involve in religion bec feeling oppress by it. Know exactly how u feel. Bec I facing those stuff like that too, but one thing is, I didn't give up on God. Giving up on relgion bec " they" is more like a blame game. I keep hearing many said, I won't bec what " they" said or did to me. That's sound like children. It isn't easy how to give the POV of what each has their differences. Only the bashing word is like this, " those ignorance people like you", " you are so stupid", or other kinds of negative words toward the person. There are some way as Paul described Satan as angel of light. Many will "feel" God is talking, but many time Satan will make us think its from God. One thing that Satan can't do, is took ur salvation. Bible is 100 percent truth and accurate the way I read. I have seen many quote by comparing other scripture to seems its contradictions which is really not, bec when they quote so call contradiction then I look it up and get into the point. Its nothing new under the sun, its always the same. Thru thousands of years, people been saying we living in "new" culture, everything change, which is never change. Bec its been the same all thru generation of people's reaction and lifestyles. There are some way by thinking God approve the way we "feel", but later in time, have to cease the moment and discovered, " I have sinned". I know many things I have done does not honor God. I agree with God that I have sinned against Him. Sometimes many people get confusion with the word turn away from sin meant won't happen again by doing it, in some way true, but if I goofed again, does that mean I'm not truly repent? No. There is a differ btwn compromise it or fighting/practice to live in godly life. True, all of us make mistakes, but how deep you determine to let God work in you and enable you to change. God knows our blind spot or weaknesses, like King David, his heart devote to God, but he sinned, what is his attitude of his sins? Is his attitude by saying, oh well, nobody is perfect, or by saying with broken heart, Lord, my God, I have sinned greatly? Did King David stop sinning right then? No. He keeps setting his heart on God and when he hide sins, God will find a way to get him back, why? Bec God knows David love God and God does not want to see his life destroying. There are much saying in different way of different people. Are you trying to live in legalistic or letting God show you what need to change? God looks the heart than outward appearance. But God gave us common sense how to set examples. Forgive one another and give peace one another. When there is disagreement, need to share POV. If there is a question sometimes need to think about. Based on what the question is.

 

[Reba]

Reba,

This is short note for you.

I caught your word "reject" but you deleted it. You said to me, "You reject God". I couldn't believe your comment. No, You are wrong! I never reject God at all.

Do you mean this sentence?

"How can God be "wonderful" but you reject the Book that He has lovingly given you?"

or

"How can a person be a Christian if he/she doesn't "believe half of it in the bible"? The answer: it's not possible. If you reject the Bible, you reject God."


It's not deleted. It's still in my post.

 

[Reba]

No, the Truth did not hurt me at all. I only DISAGREE with you and Reba. I am sorry that you feel this way. I just simply follow what Jesus says.

If you don't believe the Bible, how do you know what Jesus says? If you don't know what Jesus says, how can you follow Him?

 

[Reba]

...My kids' Sunday School teacher told my kids...she doesn't believe in all of the bible - just some....why?? because some of the stories don't make sense to her, few rules don't make sense to her like dont go shopping on sundays, don't get tattoos, etc.

Oh, that is so sad! That woman should NOT be allowed to teach innocent children.

If she doesn't understand the Bible, she should study it more, and ask questions of her pastor until she does understand. She should not be teaching and confusing the children.

It's very hard to explain to you of what I am trying to say. I realized that it got a lot worse. In fact, I still have a problem with the words that can cause people misunderstanding me...hard to explain to u....

You are very clear. I can understand you fine.

That's why I prefer to talk to a deaf christian person.

Many hearing people and deaf people don't understand God's Bible.

Wow, I can't believe it at you because you said, that is not God's talking to you...I'm sorry...yes it was God's talking to me.

But God is not the author of confusion. He won't tell you one thing in His Bible and then contradict that to you in prayer. Only Satan tries to twist God's words, ever since the Garden of Eden.

 

[Momoftwo]

If you don't believe the Bible, how do you know what Jesus says? If you don't know what Jesus says, how can you follow Him?

I never said "I don't believe in Bible". I do believe the bible but not all..why? because of the interpretations....your opinion and my opinion are different. That's why it's very hard for everyone to understand the scriptures. Some scriptures don't make sense to today's.

 

[Momoftwo]

Do you mean this sentence?

"How can God be "wonderful" but you reject the Book that He has lovingly given you?"

or

"How can a person be a Christian if he/she doesn't "believe half of it in the bible"? The answer: it's not possible. If you reject the Bible, you reject God."


It's not deleted. It's still in my post.

Again! I am telling you that I DON'T reject the Bible. It's just VERY DIFFICULT to understand what the scriptures mean. This is how I view and your view that don't agree or match. See....this is what I mean.