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Whether you believe or not we are all sinners.We are sinners not just only because we have done something wrong but more so because we are constituted sinners!

We were all created in Adam. When he sinned we sinned. Whether you lie or not whether we have sex marriage or not we are sinners.
Sin is in our very being.Actually we are a constituent of sin. We came out of sin. The fruit of Sin is sins.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

Romans 5:19 For by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

It is possible for a christian to sin.the christian life is not a sinless perfection.Because sin is in us.Sin is a law that operate spontaneously in us.

Romans 7:18, 20 For I know that in me (that is in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me.

1 John 1:8,9 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Sex before marriage is fornication.

1 corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Sin is sin. Dear all we must not excuse ourselves for anything. God is a forgiving God. We need to come to Him and admit or confess all our sins, failures and weakness. He will forgive! He is merciful and loving. So gracious is God.
 
Perfection is in the eyes of the beholder. It's only wrong if you believe it is, thus sin is just a state of mind like cloggy says.

As for all of you religious nuts- I beesch thee go watch Da Vinci code. That, now proves nothing, however it is a more plausible explanation of what the truth might be. There are a thounsand of ways to interpt history, but there is only ONE truth. Tom hank's character said near the end of the movie, it only matters what you believe in-- but of course there's an exception to that.

Make sure you understand what faith first. It's not right to go parading around expecting something when you only believe in God for saving you from death, granting you blessings of good luck, but blaming him when something goes sour in your life. Ask yourself, why do you believe in God? I pray your reason isn't hypocritical and self-serving, because if that's so then you pretty much have the philosohy of a christian wrong, wayyyy wrong. At least in my opinion.
 
There are lot of people get the wrong idea how we say it by the word sin. Many raised differently. If someone raised by a group, or parents or anybody with judgemental attitude with cruelty by saying you are going to hell for doing this and that, or if a person says something about fornication or wedlock, that person (who was raised in judgemental enviroments) do have wrong idea how a person say it by thinking it is by look down or shoulder wiped attitude, which is not always so. By calling religios nuts is very cruel things to say. There are ministries for those who are wedlocks, std or aids and etc. Like Rick Warren, a very well known pastor who wrote called purpose driven life. Govrnmnt and also some christians asked him, which wing are you, right wing or left wing? Rick said I'm a whole bird. That's I agree, he's out to minister in Christ example and some judgemental christians oppose of his ministry of those who has aids. By condemning christians and what I see by yall comments in negative way is bec each of us raised differently and some may raised to religious attitude, not godly attitudes. By saying the word "sin", each look at it differently and react differently bec depend where you were raised. God is full of love, and many doesn't like to hear that. Love overcomes all things and forgive all things. Proof of His love, is thru Jesus Christ. Whether you believe or not, judgement will come. Honestly tell you the truth, it hurts me deeply, when someone I love rejected Christ and life been taken, its beyond imaginable the pain I get when I see that. It is not matter of opinion, it is a fact and been taught handing down to us from thousands of years. I made tremendous mistakes, but I'm not going to remain called sit do nothing and go on living think everything is "feeling good" by living in sin, but rather, continue to fight the battle against my own flesh, with God's power to enable me to deal with it. Its a everyday thing. You will see the different in ur life, by knowing God personally in daily basis, not just going to church and just listening, that wil get you nowhere. Sadly, many listening sermons and by sayiing " I wish ____(whoever) hear this messgae". I hate that comments. And also, tapping or poke someone next to you by giving warning sign about whatever a person sin he or she living. SO WHAT!!! I have seen many people doing that from other church and that makes me nauseating. I told them, mmmm, no wonder why many don't come to church, are better than they? They got pised off and thinking I condone their sin which I don't and does not have to condone, but to love them. The church I go now its a lot better place, so much love, caring, encouraging, support and etc. That is why, many quit bec different reasons. To me, I don't care what other do or think, I keep looking up to God to help me for what I need to do , not what they need to do, each of us are responsiblity of our own actions, not them.
 
christlovedeaf-

I understand what you were trying to say.

Unfortunately, this is what I can understand this scripture about "no sex before marriage". I think it means that God does not want people to have sex with so many people before marriage. This is how I understand the interpretation.

I think God allows people to have sex before marriage which means that if you really love the person very much as serious relationship, God allows them to have sex before marriage.

This is how I can understand this scripture.

I have a HUGEEEEEEE faith in God.

Look at me....I admit that I did have sex with my husband before we got married. I had a thought concerning about God...few people told me not to have sex before marriage BUT I listened to my heart and HEARD God's words and God said "YES, I allow you to have sex with this man". So, I went ahead and I'm still with my husband ever since. I've been married to my husband for 19 years and plus 4 years of sweetheart so to make it 23 years together. We're very happy.

I already prayed to God yesterday about this and I listened to my heart and God said "Yes, I allowed you".

This scripture about no sex before marriage means that God does not want people to have too many sex with so many different people before marriage. This is how I understand the interpretation because I've been there and had experienced. It made sense to me.

It does not mean that I ignore what God wants. I have a HUGE faith in God. It is VERY DIFFICULT for everyone to understand what the scriptures really mean.

Yes, it is very embarrassed to talk about no sex before marriage BUT hey, I want to say something because some people think this way that I don't agree with them so to speak myself!:)

I'm openminded.
 
Dark-Half said:
Cloggy's words of wisdom! I personally hate the concept of sin, even more-so when people purposefully commit one because they get a kick out of it, sick and sad but true.

I just live my life as I see fit and do what I please. Sin or not, I consider myself a decent person as well do others, so that's all that matters to me.
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I am in total agreement! I am not perfect but important I am happy with myself and my life. :)
 
Momoftwo said:
christlovedeaf-

I understand what you were trying to say.

Unfortunately, this is what I can understand this scripture about "no sex before marriage". I think it means that God does not want people to have sex with so many people before marriage. This is how I understand the interpretation.

I think God allows people to have sex before marriage which means that if you really love the person very much as serious relationship, God allows them to have sex before marriage.

This is how I can understand this scripture.

I have a HUGEEEEEEE faith in God.

Look at me....I admit that I did have sex with my husband before we got married. I had a thought concerning about God...few people told me not to have sex before marriage BUT I listened to my heart and HEARD God's words and God said "YES, I allow you to have sex with this man". So, I went ahead and I'm still with my husband ever since. I've been married to my husband for 19 years and plus 4 years of sweetheart so to make it 23 years together. We're very happy.

I already prayed to God yesterday about this and I listened to my heart and God said "Yes, I allowed you".

This scripture about no sex before marriage means that God does not want people to have too many sex with so many different people before marriage. This is how I understand the interpretation because I've been there and had experienced. It made sense to me.

It does not mean that I ignore what God wants. I have a HUGE faith in God. It is VERY DIFFICULT for everyone to understand what the scriptures really mean.

Yes, it is very embarrassed to talk about no sex before marriage BUT hey, I want to say something because some people think this way that I don't agree with them so to speak myself!:)

I'm openminded.
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It is your choice to do so. Well, fornication mean not to have sex outside of marriage. How we know God said it or satan said it? Need to align with God's Word. I don't want you get the wrong idea by thinking I stuff u in the throat kind of thing. I know a lot of christians doing that. Since u are married to the same person is good to hear. Remember, how King David did? Even, in God's law, that king suppose to have one wife, but instead he has many. ;od shunned him off? No. Why? God looks in the heart. Doesn't matter how deep our faith is, still we make mistakes. God looks the heart of true confessions and those who've been struggling, God is there, the struggling is the attitude how much the person seeking after God. Those who think nobody perfect attitude and happy whatever they pleases are the one who doesn't taking seriously about God. But, would I draw the line or look down on you bec what u did? No way, bec Jesus doesn't. I know it will be different what we see each other and online. Even tho, I would love to meet yall in person. Smile. Like I agree with Rick Warren, I'm not right or left wing, but whole bird. Does that mean open minded? No. Open minded more like condoning. Do I do horrific sin? You bet. Do I approve what I did? No.does that mean I condemning myself? No. Like eating for example, you want to lose weight, you practice and discipline to control your eating, its similar about other habit. Like Paul said, "practice godliness", meaning discipline. Fail again? Keep going, I love the example of Max Lucado called " God Applaud". Max Lucado is also whole bird. Smile. Don't feel or think anyway by me looking down on you. Smile.
 
Sorry, I beleive the biggest sin that we humans have is death. Sin is defined as missing the mark. God made men to be like him, but we die, so we sin with death. No matter what you do, you sin. Now, how you behave with this life will also mean what God will do with you after you die. He forgives everyone, but it harded to forgive someone if they just shit on you all the time.

That is my feelings and what I beleive and that is the reason why I am not worried abt sin. I ask God to forgive me everyday. I don't go to church, but then again, God also said he will be there with us no matter where you are. You don't have to go to a building every week to pray to him, you can do it while you in bed or driving or anywhere that you need him. Trust me, I need God to get me throw the day most of the time.
 
Cloggy said:
You should try this..

Make love to the one that you love and who loves you back.

I'm sure you'll find that "Orgasm is not orgasm"

And "Sexually Tranmitted Disease or having 10 babies you can't afford" that happens with married people as well. And most of the time is does not happen.

As for "born out of wedlock".. what's wrong with that. Only smallminded people looking down on that.
My son was born out of wedlock. We married after he was born.
But the.... "wedlock" means nothing to me.
Having a child together was a bigger and stronger commitment than marriage.!
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Yeah, with the MARRIAGE, it will be Orgasm is not Orgasm.

But whoring around and sleeping with people you don't know and
don't really love... Orgasm is Orgasm.

What is wrong with that, Born out of wedlock?

If a woman gives birth to a child and then when that child grows up
and meet someone... And BAM!!!! That child gave birth to a child
with birth defect.... Turn out that someone is the first cousin.

My Dad's side of the family has all gone away... and I don't know
who my cousins.... and I don't know if my Dad may have more
children because he slept with many women.
I don't wanna have to find out that I am having sex with my half brother.

That would be so disgusting.:eek3:
 
christlovedeaf said:
By saying sin scaring people? No. Its the fact of what we are born from. Like a little kid saw hot stove, or chemicals or poison spray or ect. As what kids see seems harmless, its similar about sin. We see looks good, but couldn't see what will affect you. How a little child has hot temper? Lie? Steal? Say no to mommy and daddy? how does kid gets that? Sin. Many getting the wrong idea how to view of sin, even tho sin will be judged, even try to make it right will still be left in stain. God wants us have a great life, but, BUT, He doesn't want to see yourself hurt or destroy. Sin left us stain, but only one that can take our place, is Jesus Christ. Does that called love? Yes. But many look for the other way. By saying bec trying to scare us is not true, till the judgement come will be different. God doesn't want us to be scare,. But trying to avoid what God has offer, there is lots to worry or scare about. Does that sound harsh? Seem like it, but it isn't. Its out of love. If you love your child, you would let ur child mess with chemical or hot stove or stuff that harm or life threatening to your child similar as what God is doing.
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He? Um, I don't think that God has sexual organ.:ugh3:
 
Douglas said:
He? Um, I don't think that God has sexual organ.:ugh3:
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Well it said God create man with his image... so he gotta be a he, if Adam
is a man... God is a he. Probably don't need a penis to be a he, I think.
 
No, God as a He does not mean or have nothing to do with sexual organ. Sex is for multiply and wil not have like that in Heaven
 
christlovedeaf said:
No, God as a He does not mean or have nothing to do with sexual organ. Sex is for multiply and wil not have like that in Heaven
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I think God doesn't care who we LOVE or gay marriage for love...

ALL HE WANT US TO DO IS MULTIPLY.... And have MARRIAGE so that
man can do it only with his wife to MULTIPLY....

Seem like nobody understand this simple LIFE.

That is why you guys are not HAPPY right now... because
you guys aren't doing the right thing.

ALL of us should be marry... and all of us should have kids...
Not wait after having college degree and get best career there is or
exploring your sexuality and stuff.
 
The*Empress said:
I think God doesn't care who we LOVE or gay marriage for love...

ALL HE WANT US TO DO IS MULTIPLY.... And have MARRIAGE so that
man can do it only with his wife to MULTIPLY....

Seem like nobody understand this simple LIFE.

That is why you guys are not HAPPY right now... because
you guys aren't doing the right thing.

ALL of us should be marry... and all of us should have kids...
Not wait after having college degree and get best career there is or
exploring your sexuality and stuff.
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Hahahaha, that's silly. Problem is this, is eros as sexual love, what God expect us is agape love. Tho, agape is involve unconditionally. That does not mean do whatever you feel good about do it thing. That's more of eros which causes lot of problem. Love has nothing to do with how u feel. Its more deeper than that. I'm not happy? Hahaha. Who says? Ofc, humanist or agnostic or athiest or whatever bringing that idea. Only thing, I m not happy is by hurting the Lord for something I shouldn't do. We have conscience. Each has grown up with false guilt and different kinds based how they are growing up. Now in days generation begin to pervert the meaning of love. Where I go, I'm very happy and at the same time I really enjoying my solitary moments. But the probelm with peopl is taking one side and ignore the other which I rather take the whole. The way I see by condmening christians being judgemental, and I ve ben seeing many non christians does likewise. And even stereotypical. All of us has the right to share their views and why disagree certain issues instead of mouthing about the differences.
 
I hate how conservative christians claim that homosexuality is a sin up there with murder, rape etc.
Honestly, I do think that there's evil and sin in this world........but what the fuck exactly is sin? EVERYONE argues over that......it's clear that there's no one clear answer as to what "God" sees as sin. Baptists think dancing is a sin, others think that stuff like eating meat (seventh day adventists), women having short hair, men having long hair and so on is a sin.
 
Homosexual isn't a sin.

God said it is Defile and Filthy behavior, that is all he said.

Eating Ham is not a sin... it is bad for your body and very disgusting.
Ham is the butt part of the Hog.
 
christlovedeaf said:
Hahahaha, that's silly. Problem is this, is eros as sexual love, what God expect us is agape love. Tho, agape is involve unconditionally. That does not mean do whatever you feel good about do it thing. That's more of eros which causes lot of problem. Love has nothing to do with how u feel. Its more deeper than that. I'm not happy? Hahaha. Who says? Ofc, humanist or agnostic or athiest or whatever bringing that idea. Only thing, I m not happy is by hurting the Lord for something I shouldn't do. We have conscience. Each has grown up with false guilt and different kinds based how they are growing up. Now in days generation begin to pervert the meaning of love. Where I go, I'm very happy and at the same time I really enjoying my solitary moments. But the probelm with peopl is taking one side and ignore the other which I rather take the whole. The way I see by condmening christians being judgemental, and I ve ben seeing many non christians does likewise. And even stereotypical. All of us has the right to share their views and why disagree certain issues instead of mouthing about the differences.
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Well Adam and Eve were the only people on Earth... and they don't fall in LOVE and Adam didn't ask Eve, "Will you marry me?"

And plus... if Adam and Eve didn't have hormone...

Eve would never never never let Adam poke her with his private part.
And she would never never never would want children after having
her first born... After the terrible terrible labor pain with no today technology medication.

Adam said to Eve, "Now listen, I am tired of masturbating, I am
horny and you are too... now lets multiply, for God sake!!!!"
 
And Jacob didn't love Rachael's sister, so he married both sisters...

Love ain't got nothing to do with marriage...

Marriage is for people who are planning to multiplying...

Not for people to say, "I don't wanna have ugly baby by that ugly man."

I'm making myself laughing... :ugh3:
 
The*Empress said:
Well Adam and Eve were the only people on Earth... and they don't fall in LOVE and Adam didn't ask Eve, "Will you marry me?"

And plus... if Adam and Eve didn't have hormone...

Eve would never never never let Adam poke her with his private part.
And she would never never never would want children after having
her first born... After the terrible terrible labor pain with no today technology medication.

Adam said to Eve, "Now listen, I am tired of masturbating, I am
horny and you are too... now lets multiply, for God sake!!!!"
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Momoftwo said:
christlovedeaf-

I understand what you were trying to say.

Unfortunately, this is what I can understand this scripture about "no sex before marriage". I think it means that God does not want people to have sex with so many people before marriage. This is how I understand the interpretation.

I think God allows people to have sex before marriage which means that if you really love the person very much as serious relationship, God allows them to have sex before marriage.

This is how I can understand this scripture.

I have a HUGEEEEEEE faith in God.

Look at me....I admit that I did have sex with my husband before we got married. I had a thought concerning about God...few people told me not to have sex before marriage BUT I listened to my heart and HEARD God's words and God said "YES, I allow you to have sex with this man". So, I went ahead and I'm still with my husband ever since. I've been married to my husband for 19 years and plus 4 years of sweetheart so to make it 23 years together. We're very happy.

I already prayed to God yesterday about this and I listened to my heart and God said "Yes, I allowed you".

This scripture about no sex before marriage means that God does not want people to have too many sex with so many different people before marriage. This is how I understand the interpretation because I've been there and had experienced. It made sense to me.

It does not mean that I ignore what God wants. I have a HUGE faith in God. It is VERY DIFFICULT for everyone to understand what the scriptures really mean.

Yes, it is very embarrassed to talk about no sex before marriage BUT hey, I want to say something because some people think this way that I don't agree with them so to speak myself!:)

I'm openminded.
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We would have got stoned to death in Iran if they caught us to do this before marriage. Thank God we live in America. I do not regret that we had sex before marriage otherwise we would have married at 18 if we stay virgin. I do not consider it sin because we love each other. Sex is something should stay in private between two people not church nor anyone tell us it is sin. It is none of thier business. God frown on us? No. U know Jesus's mother was pregnant and not married. She would have stoned to death if Joseph was not there for her. U know it is not healthy for some people to stay virgin till they dies.
 
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