Sin

[Momoftwo]

reba -

u said.
"Many hearing people and deaf people don't understand God's Bible."


No, I was talking about I prefer learning FROM deaf person because of more clear.

Nevermind...hard to explain to you.

I prefer deaf person with sign language better than words on this internet. I made a HUGE mistake for typing here that caused you misunderstanding. This is not what you think what I was trying to say. Nevermind!

Last thing, I would say about maybe 80% - maybe less that it seems to make sense because it is related to today BUT other scriptures - maybe 20% don't make sense to today's like can't shopping on Sundays??, cant cut the men's forehead hair??, don't work on Sundays??, etc. STRANGE??

Alright...this is the final discussion with you. I will speak with a deaf christian thru vp to avoid misunderstandings.

I wish you a nice life!

 

[Maria]

No, the Truth did not hurt me at all. I only DISAGREE with you and Reba. I am sorry that you feel this way. I just simply follow what Jesus says.

Your biggest question....I did not argue with Jesus...I only disagree with you.

I'm with Jesus and God TOTALLY!

I think you misunderstood me here. Let me explain a little bit here for you to understand me very clear. Okay ? So, don't get mad at me for explainin' this to you. I just want to help you.

What I mean is that in the Bible, Jesus said : " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life " ( John 14:6 ), right ? This is the question I am askin' you and it doesn't mean that I am bashin' you. Okay ?

Ok, now let me explain what the scriptures say about the Truth :

That " Truth " is reliable and can be trusted... that means Jesus can be trusted and is very reliable. Since Christ shares in the truth of God, He is full of grace and truth.

See the scriptures here about the Truth :

John 15:26
" But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall bear witness of me: "

John 18:37
" Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end have I been born, and to this end am I come into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. "

This acceptance of Jesus and receivin' of the truth is accompanied by " walkin' in the truth " or in the light :

3 John 3-4
" For I rejoiced greatly, when brethren came and bare witness unto thy truth, even as thou walkest in truth. Greater joy have I none than this, to hear of my children walking in the truth. "

It's a matter of receivin' Christ. That means it is a matter of receivin' the Truth. Remember what Jesus says " I am the Way, the Truth and the Life " ? So, it tells you that His Word is never misunderstood for anyone or anybody. His Word is very perfectly C L E A R as crystal. It's just a matter, IF you read the bible EVERYDAY and pray EVERYDAY -- I mean, really, really havin' a serious relationship with Him and then, you shall SEE the Light better and UNDERSTAND His Word very clear.

Now, the question is :

Galatians 5:7
" Ye were running well; who hindered you that ye should not obey the truth? "

 

[jazzy]

reba -



Alright...this is the final discussion with you. I will speak with a deaf christian thru vp to avoid misunderstandings.

!

I have a strong deaf christian friend of mine, oh boy u should see us debate this over but still not always agree on something. She is no different from Reba nor any other deaf Christians here on AD.

 

[Askjo]

You think you are right as 100% from what you understand the interpretation as 100%???? No! You are NOT! I am NOT, too. No one knows the answers except only God! It's very, very difficult for everyone to understand the scriptures from the Bible...NO ONE has 100% understanding from the bible!

Difficult to understand the Bible? The reason: It is difficult to OBEY God’s Word.

You can't judge me for that.

Me? I did not judge you.

I am NOT porn at all! I see different interpretation. You think you know all of the interpretations of the scriptures in the bible as 100% like you think you are right?? I don't think so! EVERYONE has different understandings about the scriptures. THEN, YOU and I have different interpretations of this scriptures. This is YOUR opinion and this is MY opinion.

You misunderstand what I talked about. The English Bible was derived from the OT in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. God inspired the Hebrew Old Testament. God also inspired the Greek New Testament. An English word, “fornication” came from the Greek words, “pornos.”

The Greek word, “Pornos” is the English word, “porn.” Therefore the fornication is porn itself. Remember that God inspired the Greek autograph of the New Testament. Then God called fornication, “porn.” PEROID. I did not call it.

I have a HUGEEEEEEEE faith in God.

Really, let’s see how you have faith in God. When you have faith in Him, did you follow WHAT GOD SAID? When God said fornication is sin, you disagreed with your God then you had sex with someone before marriage, did you?

Everyone in the world still doesn't know the REAL answers from the scriptures of the bible. For example, two ministers (same regilious) have different understandings of the scriptures.

The Bible warns that there are 2 sides: true teaching AND false teaching. Where will you follow?

MANY people that I know already had sex before marriageand they STILL are married for over 30 - 40 years and they're still healthy!

Not always! The Bible teaches that many couples got divorced because of fornication. This verse talks about divorced and fornication.

Matthew 5:32 -- But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Sorry, I don't agree with you on this scripture about sex before marriage.

No, you disagree with God, not me. You disagree with the Scriptures, not me.

This scripture is from what I can understand very clearly that God does not want people to have too many sex with different people before marriage.

No, the Bible said “FLEE (meaning escape) fornication.”

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Did you follow this verse?

The Bible said, “AVOID fornication.”

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Did you follow this verse?

The Bible said, “ABSTAIN from fornication.”

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

If you follow God’s Will, do you follow this verse?

From what I understand that God allows man and woman who are in a very serious relationship (like one very special person) to have sex before marriage like me and my husband.

God allows sex before marriage???? Please show me the Scriptures. Prove me!

Sex with one very serious person (man and woman) before marriage is NOT lust! It's LOVE.

Romans 1:28-29
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

You see why God gave up with fornication. Look good? NOOOOO!

Again, I am NOT porn at all. You can NOT judge me! You may realize that you are still sin for calling me that remark. (pornography) -not nice of you to say that rude remark to me..

I did not call that remark, but God called that remark. Remember God inspired His Greek Words in the New Testament. That is where God called fornication, “PORN.” Not me!

Everyone has their own sins. No one is perfect including you

Right, 100% agree!

 

[Askjo]

FYI, I agree with Askjo. He was tellin' the truth about the scriptures. It's true that a fornication is sin. It's true that it is sin to have sex before marriage. No one can win that scriptures, because we sin against God.

That is very true! 100% agree with you, CyberRed!

 

[Askjo]

God allows people to have sex before marriage only if you have a very serious relationship with ONE person before marriage That is NOT sin.

Momoftwo

Please give me Scriptures. Please prove me!

 

[Askjo]

The good news is, God can forgive sin, if the person confesses that is sin, and truly wants to turn away from that sin.

I John 1
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Amen to that!

 

[Askjo]

Who WROTE the scriptures? It's people like Numbers, Exodus, Mark, John, etc. It was NOT Jesus who wrote the scriptures. It's the people who heard the God's words and wrote the scriptures.

Jesus is God the Son. He inspired His words through the Holy Spirit's moving through Holy writers writing The OT and the NT.

 

[Askjo]

King James Version is only one truth. If you live in Isreal so there are studies the Bible more more deepeest more than KJV. My friend who is evangle there. He lived there only 5 yrs. He found out the Bible books more more than KJV. He say to me that KJV short Bible.

More than the KJV? Where did you get it? Please provide me the information.

 

[Askjo]

That's why there is impossible for you to convince me that this KJV bible is the truth. I've met some different people who are JW, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, etc. WOW...theeir beliefs are so different!!

First of all, you study the Bible from Genesis to Revelation REPEATEDLY, reapeatedly, REPEATEDLY until you know the Bible well, then you will know which church is right one. Secondly, you examine any churches and check their belief that matches with the Bible, then you will know which church is right one. That is not easy job.

 

[Askjo]

I KNOW!! Especially Reba and Cyberred!! I couldn't believe it at them! Their words were way too harsh - so unfriendly - too bold...that disgusted me.

Reba, CyberRed and I try our best to HELP you to understand God's Words Reba, CyberRed and I are Christians who understand God's Words because we learned what God said. Remember -- the Bible is the God-speaking, Jesus-speaking.

 

[Askjo]

Too harsh for you ? Well, to be honest - Truth can hurt you. Jesus can hurt you, because He is the Truth. I am sorry that you feel this way about Him. I just simply follow what Jesus says.

Oh, one more thing... my BIGGEST question I would like to ask you: Why is it that you are arguin' with Jesus when He just simply tells the Truth about fornication ?

Right comment! 100% agree!

 

[Askjo]

No, the Truth did not hurt me at all. I only DISAGREE with you and Reba. I am sorry that you feel this way. I just simply follow what Jesus says.

Your biggest question....I did not argue with Jesus...I only disagree with you.

I'm with Jesus and God TOTALLY!

The truth did not hurt you???? Ok, let me give you example.

Did you ever lie? Then the Truth can hurt you. Why? When you lie, you break ALL God's commandments. See James 2:9-11

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Did you ever steal? The Truth can hurt you.

Did you ever strike against your parents? The Truth can hurt you.

 

[Askjo]

Reba and Cyberred- it's their opinions.

Not their opinion, but the Scriptures! They helped you to understand what the Bible said, but you rejected what Scriptures Reba, CyberRed and I gave you because you rejected the Scriptures.

 

[Askjo]

"How can a person be a Christian if he/she doesn't "believe half of it in the bible"? The answer: it's not possible. If you reject the Bible, you reject God."

John 5:45-47

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[EagleCherokee63]

More than the KJV? Where did you get it? Please provide me the information.

My friend who was Evangelist in Israel for 5 years. He was using his KJV Bible most of the time in USA and when he arrived in Israel. He discovered so many new verses in their scrolled Bible with alot of complete information than in KJV Bible. He was so shocked when he seen that himself that Israel have more knowledge in the Bible. If you go to Israel and lived there for like 5 to 10 years to study in their Bible and cultures then you would be able to understand better than I can explain in here. He is back in USA now and he told me that some were shortcut in the current KJV Bible because some were very embarrassing to show around the world whatever happened in Israel from their scrolled Bible. He really has a deep passion to study in their culture more than ever before. He had a wonderful experience in his life what it is like to lived in Israel when Jesus was alive around in that country and Israel.

 

[EagleCherokee63]

First of all, you study the Bible from Genesis to Revelation REPEATEDLY, reapeatedly, REPEATEDLY until you know the Bible well, then you will know which church is right one. Secondly, you examine any churches and check their belief that matches with the Bible, then you will know which church is right one. That is not easy job.

I understand what you good point but remember Momoftwo is learn and growing christian 7 yrs old. It cant faster knewledge in Bible. I think maybe before 7 yrs ago, Momoftwo not know so much Bible. She shared with me. Momoftwo interesting read Bible too and question with me in vp sometimes. She is very lovely a person.

Where depend people who not know how much Bible when faith church. (no excuse).... The people who not faith church and read Bible in home. Some depend, They stronger christian, between weak christian. Depend people love where right church and comfortable growing memebers. Depend individual. Or, look deaf groups more than nothing. (where depend limit church for deaf groups or have an interperters)

Momoftwo,

You said why different churchs etc? because people who believed and different opionion any churches who follow list rules. Most of time is important Jesus's blood wash your heart sin away. When you seek and ask God where you can go right the church. God will lead you right church. My husband and I not ready become member any churches, because preacher sexually harrasement to me before. I quit his church of preacher since I scared and not wanted it again happened long time. My parent are very angry of preacher. We seek and going to right church become member church right time. One thing We are going faith church for 2 1/2 yrs now but not memeber yet. We made sure warm and feeling right comfortable. We will pray God if we right there or not.

Explain: One of memeber church, the lady is going sex many men (whore), common in law few times and drink whiskey every nights. One lady who is going faith church. The lady saved the Jesus Christ the Saviour. I found out that she not read Bible everyday. (missing seed the grow spiritual) I prayed for her because She not willing served the Lord enough. Other member church one lady who sex many men too, go faith church. That's why I not judgement them nothing. Let God between 2 ladies. Because both are weak christian and not good serve the Lord enough. Other lady who is common in law long time and not faith church so much time. what explain people depend weak or stronger christian. depend people are difference and individual!! one thing my heart is break because they not understand enough serve the Lord. Let God take care them. I am truth that I avoid them away.

 

[Reba]

Originally Posted by Askjo
First of all, you study the Bible from Genesis to Revelation REPEATEDLY, reapeatedly, REPEATEDLY until you know the Bible well, then you will know which church is right one. Secondly, you examine any churches and check their belief that matches with the Bible, then you will know which church is right one. That is not easy job.

I understand what you good point but remember Momoftwo is learn and growing christian 7 yrs old. It cant faster knewledge in Bible. I think maybe before 7 yrs ago, Momoftwo not know so much Bible. She shared with me. Momoftwo interesting read Bible too and question with me in vp sometimes. She is very lovely a person.

I agree with both of you.

I believe Momoftwo is a sweet lady who wants to do the right thing. She just doesn't yet have a good understanding of the Scriptures. Unfortunately, if she doesn't accept the Scriptures as God's word, then she will always be confused and misled. It is a struggle between her and Holy Spirit conviction. She will have to come to a point where she will surrender to the Spirit and trust God's Word. Then, He will open up her understanding. God can do that thru Momoftwo's reading, and also thru putting her in touch with patient, mature Christians who can help her understand.

Momoftwo, I see that you can't post now but I hope you are still reading these posts.

I'm sorry if I seemed harsh to you. I didn't mean to be. I try to be clear and sometimes that is too blunt. You are a sensitive person, and I should have been more gentle.

Please don't quit the Bible. God wants you to know all about Him, and how He can bless your life.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Amen to that. That is exactly what God called us to do. Forgive one another. And not let the devil have any place btwn one another. Yes, each of us have different spiritual level. The world do have powerful influence and dark over takes them. But light of God thru us shine the world which the world hates. The battle is against spiritual darkness alone. It is hard to know how we say to other person either if feeling offended or encouraging. It is good to emphasize that we care for one another. And it is good to correct one another with godly love. Its hard to know if its correcting someone or judging someone. Correcting someone should be confidential. Encouraging someone should be in humble way. Let the love of God continue to flow thru us toward others. Let the peace and the joy be given in this christmas season and thruout the year. Smile

 

[jazzy]

Christian are not perfect but forgiven, why dwell on our sins all the time not dwell enough on love?