Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

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My stance is based solely on facts....this is no "delusional tirade".
oh no no. not you. I meant other person like imman, terrorist leader, etc. Very convenient of them to choose one as martyr and twist the story to one's delusional tirade to make it more believing for recruits.

What exactly do you believe GWB covered up in 911? (off-topic?)
I would ask same for you about Obama's so-called cover-up in Fort Hood massacre.
 
I agree, and yes, heads are gonna roll. But I think it's gonna turn into a big pissing contest and end in nothing but finger-pointing. CIA says its all the FBIs fault. FBI points to the Army. Army points to the CIA. etc.

yep. typical as this commonly happened for many years. Either way - heads will roll in any agency. WE ARE ANGERED! WE DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY! :mad2:
 
I don't see anyone examining Protestantism because there's a few loonies at Stormfront that do cite the Bible as a justification to their behaviour. People just write them off as crazies without attacking their belief system.

You have to consider all sources or else it's not a full investigation.
 
Jiro said:
I would ask same for you about Obama's so-called cover-up in Fort Hood massacre.
He has told us many time (despite the over-abundance of information and evidence already available) not to "jump to conclusions". I guess I will wait and see what his final stance on the matter is. If he says that Hasan's religious beliefs played no part in this incident, then we will know beyond a doubt that he is covering up the issue.
 
He has told us many time (despite the over-abundance of information and evidence already available) not to "jump to conclusions". I guess I will wait and see what his final stance on the matter is. If he says that Hasan's religious beliefs played no part in this incident, then we will know beyond a doubt that he is covering up the issue.

because he does not want people to get hurt from anti-Muslim anger. Didn't Bush say same that we should remain calm after 9/11 incident? All Presidents always assure us and tell us to calm down. nothing new.
 
I agree that we shouldn't persecute ALL muslims. But those with extremist views shouldn't be permitted to join our military.
 
I agree that we shouldn't persecute ALL muslims. But those with extremist views shouldn't be permitted to join our military.

correct me if I'm wrong, Reba - that is the question asked in the paper and interview when you sign up. One's background is investigated for affiliation to hate group prior to joining armed force as well.

I'm deeply puzzled that nobody has done anything when he was KNOWN for anti-American propaganda. :hmm:
 
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correct me if I'm wrong, Reba - that is the question asked in the paper and interview when you sign up. One's background is investigated for affiliation to hate group prior to joining armed force as well.

I'm deeply puzzled that nobody has done anything when he was KNOWN for anti-American propaganda. :hmn:

I think Reba has mentioned that in one of her previous posts, that the military do a background check to make sure you're [NOT] affiliated with any extremist organizations or contacts prior to joining.

Even if he did develop it after joining, people knew about his intentions and still didn't act on it. Like Jiro said, heads are going to roll.
 
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updates from CNN

At Fort Hood, day of mourning ends with celebration
At Fort Hood, day of mourning ends with celebration - CNN.com

Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- The homecoming celebration Tuesday night for soldiers returning from war is like no other ever held here.

A rowdy crowd assembles, as always, the excitement palpable. Teary wives and girlfriends and moms and dads hold the hands of children bearing signs like Zachariah Wolf's: "Welcome home bestest daddy."

But this time the community that gathers to cheer the soliders' safe return from Iraq spent the day mourning the loss of comrades from its midst.

The Grey Wolf Troopers, soldiers of the 3rd Brigade combat team, 1st Cavalry, are coming home after a year in Mosul. They, too, know that in their absence so much here has changed. The post they call home has been under attack; 13 soldiers and a civilian are gone, their alleged killer an Army major.

But few here speak of the November 5 killings. That's not what this night is about.

They fill the bleachers of a football field as DJs blast AC/DC. "Welcome home daddy, we missed you" says one sign. Another: "I'm here to pick up my daddy."

A pretty young lady dressed to the nines carries a poster saying "my hero, my hubby, my life, my love." She flashes a smile and flips it over to reveal: "Nick Vecchio's Booty."

Zachariah awaits his "bestest daddy," Master Sgt. Steve Wolf. Zachariah's sister, MacKenzie Lee, is getting antsy. Their mom, Margaret, tries to calm her.

"They're almost here" she says as Mackenzie Lee starts to cry.

And then, almost on cue, the white buses full of Grey Wolf Troopers pull up. Soldiers file out and fall into formation. The music stops. The crowd grows quiet. An officer says a quick prayer and then calls out the command the families have long awaited:

Charge!

And it's pandemonium. The families rush the field, the soldiers rush the bleachers: It's a mad dash to find your loved one in a sea of camouflage.

Margaret Wolf catches sight of her husband. The kids tear after him. Mackenzie Lee gets to him first and then Zachariah. He hugs them tight. Mackenzie Lee has stopped crying and is all smiles.

Margaret snaps a few pictures and then gets a hug for herself. "It's a rush. It's a total rush," she says, "and when you have little ones it's an even bigger rush."

A long year is finally over. Her family is whole again.

"Oh, it's great man," says her husband. "It's about time."

Fort Hood Army Post has lost 545 soldiers in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A spokesman was unable to say Tuesday night whether the Grey Wolf Troopers suffered casualties in its yearlong tour.

The sense of community here that has seen the post through this difficult week is the same one that has seen the Wolf family through the past year.

"It's tough when you play mom and dad," Margaret Wolf says. "Everybody pulls together when they need it. Last week showed that, and this right here shows that."
 
Investigators would have been "crucified" over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, a government investigator told Fox News.

Pretty much says it all. Political correctness run amok as one good reason why this has happened and allowed it to happen. Basically handcuffed from doing anything to intervene early on.
Free Speech Rights Prevented Probe Into Hasan E-Mails, Investigator Says - FOXNews.com
 
didn't you read any of articles provided in here? the terrorism has been ruled out.

Yeah , and I heard it on the news that terrorism has been ruled out. But I still feel it was an act of terrorism! I will not buy the crap the guy was having a bad day!
 
yep. typical as this commonly happened for many years. Either way - heads will roll in any agency. WE ARE ANGERED! WE DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY! :mad2:

I've no doubt that it will happen. Questions are going to be asked about why they looked the other way when it became clear where his sympathies lay.
 
Yeah , and I heard it on the news that terrorism has been ruled out. But I still feel it was an act of terrorism! I will not buy the crap the guy was having a bad day!

From what I can see, this seems more like mass murder along the lines of the Texas Tower murderer than an act of terrorism. To my knowledge, no terrorist agencies are involved in this killing. That doesn't mean that he wasn't motivated by religon. We dont know for certain what his motives were.
 
correct me if I'm wrong, Reba - that is the question asked in the paper and interview when you sign up. One's background is investigated for affiliation to hate group prior to joining armed force as well.

I'm deeply puzzled that nobody has done anything when he was KNOWN for anti-American propaganda. :hmm:

I don't think he was anti-American propaganda. Wasn't he born in the USA? He joined the army in 1997, if he was anti-American, then he would have allegedly opened fire back in 1997.

I think the whole thing started with his opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. When you have someone like that in the military, the US military should have question their loyalties. Are they with us or against us?
 
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Noun
•S: (n) terrorist (a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually (BUT NOT ALWAYS) organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often (BUT NOT ALWAYS) uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities)
 
It may interest you to know some common definations of terrorism from accepted dictionaries:

Webster defination:

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Exactly what is he trying to coercrie?

And here's the Oxford dictionary defination:
terrorist

• noun a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Since these 3 are the most accepted dictionaries, i'll take them over your defination that you provided. I hate it when definations are used to to back up one's agenda.

BTW, you missed the usually part of the defination.
 
It may interest you to know some common definations of terrorism from accepted dictionaries:

Webster defination:

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Exactly what is he trying to coercrie?

And here's the Oxford dictionary defination:
terrorist

• noun a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Since these 3 are the most accepted dictionaries, i'll take them over your defination that you provided. I hate it when definations are used to to back up one's agenda.

BTW, you missed the usually part of the defination.

Opps forgot a 3rd quote.

This one is from 11-sept.org a site that may be more acceptable to you:

The U.S. State Department defines terrorism as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience."
 
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I don't think he was anti-American propaganda. Wasn't he born in the USA? He joined the army in 1997, if he was anti-American, then he would have allegedly opened fire back in 1997.

I think the whole thing started with his opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. When you have someone like that in the military, the US military should have question their loyalties. Are they with us or against us?

no. He was spewing anti-American propaganda WHILE he was a soldier
 
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