Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

[Eve]

ever consider that he does not want to go to jail for desertion? he does not want to abandon his family either.

Oh, and shooting 44 people was such a better option? He will now spend the rest of his life (not just one year) in jail and the only way out is via firing range, lethal injection, or the end of a rope, only to be permanently removed from his family.

 

[Jiro]

Oh, and shooting 44 people was such a better option? He will now spend the rest of his life (not just one year) in jail and the only way out is via firing range, lethal injection, or the end of a rope, only to be permanently removed from his family.

when push comes to shove......

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

You know what they say...

Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Jiro]

I wouldn’t trust an investigation done by those trying to cover their asses. I will simply rely on the information provided and draw my own logical conclusions.

but the fact-finding isn't completed yet. Jumping to conclusion already when you told us not to jump to conclusion?

No, the “school shooters” did not have the same patterns.
And Timothy McVeigh was a “terrorist,” as well.

right. Hasan does not fit "terrorist" definition and profile.

He did use his military credentials to get onto base for the attack. All records show that he had no purpose being there at the time, other than for the attack.

that's the best deduction you can come up with? grasping for straw, I see...

He could have committed suicide quietly at home and achieved that same objective. He could have fled to Canada. He could have hired an attorney….there are so many things he could have done, but didn’t.

He done a lot to get out. All failed. He was ignored and mistreated. btw - Canada does extradite deserters to America. Canada does not harbor deserters. Should have said Mexico.

Wouldn’t you, if you felt that the backlash might come back to bite you in the butt?

might wanna tell that to previous administration and CIA responsible for recruiting and training and funding Osama bin Laden. It is not I whose ass will be bitten. I'm just your regular Joe the Plumber

This was obviously a well thought-out and executed attack (organized planning/strategic attack). His statements made in class about the war on “islam” (history of vengeful attitude). Attended same mosque as two 911 terrorists and attempt to contact Al Queda (connection to known terrorist/violent organizations)….AND SO ON.

not really. Let's not shallowly piece them together. Too easy to get scared. Let's be brave and hold our reservation until we get the facts.

You're right and yet Obama is helping with the cover-up and telling us not to “jump to conclusions”. I believe we have enough evidence at this point that noone has to hop very far to realize the obvious.

what about GWB and 9/11? massive cover-up going on there worse than this.

 

[Eve]

y'all are just being ridiculous now.

but the fact-finding isn't completed yet. Jumping to conclusion already when you told us not to jump to conclusion?

I was being facetious.

right. Hasan does not fit "terrorist" definition and profile.

He fits it to a tee.

that's the best deduction you can come up with? grasping for straw, I see...

That obviously wasn't my only deduction. It was only a response to your statement to Reba that if he were a terrorist he would have used his military credentials for mass murder....isn't that exactly what he did? So he didn't use a bomb, he killed just as many people as if he had.

He done a lot to get out. All failed. He was ignored and mistreated.

He did SOME to get out. There were still other options. I was mistreated all through school and I never went on a shooting spree.

might wanna tell that to previous administration and CIA responsible for recruiting and training and funding Osama bin Laden. It is not I whose ass will be bitten. I'm just your regular Joe the Plumber

The CURRENT CIA were the one's who had been investigating Hasan for the past 6 months. They did not share their suspicions with the Army. Who was it that said, "heads are gonna roll"?

Let's be brave and hold our reservation until we get the facts.

we have the facts.

what about GWB and 9/11? massive cover-up going on there worse than this.

I didn't see any cover-up.

 

[Jiro]

y'all are just being ridiculous now.

and you're not?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

The fact remains:

1) Hasan slaughtered 13 people, and injured many more.
2) He will fry.
3) Someone screwed up on not picking up the warning signs and not acting upon them

No need to invite anything else in. No anti-Semitic comments. No conspiracy theories. No "ifs" or "buts." No "could have" or "should have"

 

[Jiro]

The fact remains:

1) Hasan slaughtered 13 people, and injured many more.
2) He will fry.
3) Someone screwed up on not picking up the warning signs and not acting upon them

No need to invite anything else in. No anti-Semitic comments. No conspiracy theories.

#3 - that is the culprit. that is what the investigation is about. the head will roll.... within Army Command. Somebody should be brave and step up to admit it for not handling it properly.

Obama covering it up? Hasan as Al-Queda terrorist? lol funny that somebody's ridiculing us for being ridiculous LOL!

 

[Eve]

No need to invite anything else in.

His religion is a major piece that needs to be examined. Afterall, his own imam is now encouraging other muslims to "follow in his footsteps". He is being used as an example for future terrorists.

No anti-Semitic comments.

Nope, I like the Jews lol

No conspiracy theories.

I don't believe he conspired with anyone, but I do believe that we will see a cover-up of the facts to draw attention away from those that "screwed up on not picking up the warning signs and not acting upon them".

 

[Jiro]

His religion is a major piece that needs to be examined. Afterall, his own imam is now encouraging other muslims to "follow in his footsteps". He is being used as an example for future terrorists.

Tim McVeigh is being used as an example for future militia recruits (those who hate the government) as well.

I don't believe he conspired with anyone, but I do believe that we will see a cover-up of the facts to draw attention away from those that "screwed up on not picking up the warning signs and not acting upon them".

perhaps! I wouldn't be surprised if that happened but looking at GWB & Obama history - I can assure you that somebody within Army Command will admit to it and resign. Don't forget Louis Caldera and bunch of officials who resigned under GWB after a bad hiccup.

 

[kokonut]

Eve, he may not have conspired with others but certainly it's quite possible he has discussed his dislikes in private more than once and certainly he may have been encouraged by others to "do something about it." We'll know more in due time.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

His religion doesn't need to be examined. His contacts have to be though.

 

[Eve]

Tim McVeigh is being used as an example for future militia recruits (those who hate the government) as well.

And I have already conceded that he is a terrorist as well.

perhaps! I wouldn't be surprised if that happened but looking at GWB & Obama history - I can assure you that somebody within Army Command will admit to it and resign. Don't forget Louis Caldera and bunch of officials who resigned under GWB after a bad hiccup.

I never said GWB was perfect. No president ever is (except maybe Reagan lol)

 

[kokonut]

His religion background is a part of this investigation in order to understand his motives.

 

[Eve]

His religion doesn't need to be examined. His contacts have to be though.

His extreme views of his religion does need to be examined. And anyone with similar views needs to be excluded from the armed forces, lest another incident take place as is being encouraged by Hasan's imam (and probably others).

 

[Jiro]

And I have already conceded that he is a terrorist as well.

Point is - in every incident, it's easy to tout them as something else to fit to one's delusional tirade when preaching to people.

I never said GWB was perfect. No president ever is (except maybe Reagan lol)

we're not talking about perfection. We're talking about Presidential cover-up. You accused Obama of covering this up. what about GWB and 9/11? This Hasan "cover-up" is nothing comparable to 9/11 cover-up.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I don't see anyone examining Protestantism because there's a few loonies at Stormfront that do cite the Bible as a justification to their behaviour. People just write them off as crazies without attacking their belief system.

 

[Jiro]

His extreme views of his religion does need to be examined. And anyone with similar views needs to be excluded from the armed forces, lest another incident take place as is being encouraged by Hasan's imam (and probably others).

that is already an automatic discharge from armed forces. that's the point. why wasn't he dishonorably discharged after he was under investigation by CIA and FBI? after some complaints by fellow soldiers about his anti-American propaganda?

 

[Eve]

Point is - in every incident, it's easy to tout them as something else to fit to one's delusional tirade when preaching to people.

My stance is based solely on facts....this is no "delusional tirade".

we're not talking about perfection. We're talking about Presidential cover-up. You accused Obama of covering this up. what about GWB and 9/11? This Hasan "cover-up" is nothing comparable to 9/11 cover-up.

What exactly do you believe GWB covered up in 911? (off-topic?)

I don't see anyone examining Protestantism because there's a few loonies at Stormfront that do cite the Bible as a justification to their behaviour. People just write them off as crazies without attacking their belief system.

Actually, Protestantism is called into question each time there is an abortion clinic bombing or some nut-job extremist goes and shoots an abortion doctor. All extremist religious views should be called into question when lives are at stake.

 

[Eve]

that is already an automatic discharge from armed forces. that's the point. why wasn't he dishonorably discharged after he was under investigation by CIA and FBI? after some complaints by fellow soldiers about his anti-American propaganda?

I agree, and yes, heads are gonna roll. But I think it's gonna turn into a big pissing contest and end in nothing but finger-pointing. CIA says its all the FBIs fault. FBI points to the Army. Army points to the CIA. etc.