Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

[Jiro]

Maybe we'll have more answers from the ballistics forensics report.

From what I understand, none of the soldiers were armed, and they were positioned around tables in cubicles which made them sitting ducks.

It would help if we could see the crime scene in 3D, including the shot trajectories, with a time frame.

The thing that bothers me is that he was able to reload without being taken down by someone. I don't know what his relative position was to those he was shooting (some say he was standing on a table). It just seems that someone should have been able to tackle him while reloading. But maybe I've just watched too many TV movies.

I would like to hear more testimonies from those who were present.

true. or... simply put - they were scared shitless as I would be and they were hiding behind anything they can find.

aaarrrgggghhh I wish there's a time machine where we can fast-forward to see the result.

 

[Reba]

looking at past terrorist attacks by lone terrorists... Hasan doesn't even come close to it. His action and attitude do not show much resemblance or pattern to these past terrorists.

Such as?

He is more like these lone shooters with deranged minds such as Virginia Tech shooter, Illinois College shooter, Omaha Mall shooter, and DC sniper.

What would be the common element? Some were mass killings, and others were serial killings.

DC sniper wasn't "lone"; he had a partner.

 

[Jiro]

Such as?

organized planning. strategic attack. history of vengeful attitude. connection to known terrorist/violent organizations. so on.

What would be the common element? Some were mass killings, and others were serial killings.

history of problems. deranged minds. repeated calls for help. all were left ignored by proper authority/higher-ups. the results were same - massacre.

DC sniper wasn't "lone"; he had a partner.

a boy... c'mon now. you know what I mean.

 

[Maria]

I don't think all Muslims support "honor killings." I don't think just putting down "Islam" on the religion line of their paperwork is enough to keep someone out of the military.


I don't think anyone fully understands yet. We have to wait for a full investigation.


Yes, that goes without saying. We don't expect our troops to kill each other.


We have to pray for them, and support them in any way we can.


There have been other American military members killing military members but not such a large number at once, especially on an American base.

Fragging happened during the Vietnam war, in Vietnam.

The following killings didn't happen in the USA but it was an American soldier who killed fellow soldiers:



Read the rest at:

Army Soldier Is Convicted In Attack on Fellow Troops (washingtonpost.com)

I read the whole thing. It's really sad. I wish them no ill. And, yes we pray for them.

 

[Steel X]

I find that extremely sickening of that one guy sending flowers to the man who just wasted away 13 innocent lives and injured many others who WOULD'VE been killed...would consider him as a hero. Saying it wasn't his fault and it was the FBI...sure sure sure whatever you say...your outta ur fucking mind.

 

[Maria]

I find that extremely sickening of that one guy sending flowers to the man who just wasted away 13 innocent lives and injured many others who WOULD'VE been killed...would consider him as a hero. Saying it wasn't his fault and it was the FBI...sure sure sure whatever you say...your outta ur fucking mind.

You mean the same guy who shot them at Ft. Hood ? And, where did you read that from ?

 

[sallylou]

The back lash begins. Ironically, the victim is an Orthodox priest. The perpetrator couldn't tell the difference between Greek and Arabic. :roll: I hope that the priest is not permanently disabled.

Alexios Marakis, a Greek Orthodox priest visiting the U.S., got lost in Tampa and tried to stop and ask directions from Marine reservist Jasen D. Bruce. But instead of offering help, “Bruce struck the priest on the head with a tire iron.” The reservist believed Marakis, who spoke limited English, was an Arab terrorist. Bruce chased the priest for three blocks, “and even called 911 to say that an Arabic man tried to rob him.”

Think Progress Marine reservist chases, assaults Greek Orthodox priest whom he mistook for an Arab terrorist.

People need to calm down. Fanning the flames of hate does not help.

 

[Cheri]

Why did not the military take a closer look at this guy? If he was trying to get out of serving Iraq and Afghanistan, It would have convinced the military that he doesn't belong in the army and that he doesn't represent the USA.

If he did shouted "Allah Akbar" before opening fire, then he is definitely a terrorist, he fits the profile. Remember the last recorded message on Sept 11th when terrorists who flew the jet into the twin towers, their last words were "Allah Akbar".

If it was really a terrorist attack at Ft Hood, then Obama just had his first terrorist attack on America soil.

 

[Eve]

guess we'll have to wait for investigation to finish.... which will takes months, if not years.

We don't have much evidence right now. It's going to take a while for investigators to get the solid evidence sorted out.

I wouldn’t trust an investigation done by those trying to cover their asses. I will simply rely on the information provided and draw my own logical conclusions.

Thank you sara1981…this is exactly what I am talking about.

And how is that different from the school shooters? They all had the same patterns...

Timmy took it out on the government; Hasan took it out on his co-workers.

No, the “school shooters” did not have the same patterns.
And Timothy McVeigh was a “terrorist,” as well.

there you go. if Hasan wants to do the terrorist way - he would use his military credential to smuggle in car bomb or something destructive that will inflict a heavy casualty like in majority of terrorist attacks against military bases.

He did use his military credentials to get onto base for the attack. All records show that he had no purpose being there at the time, other than for the attack.

It is possible that Hasan performed these terrorist-like activities in order to try to get out of military...

He could have committed suicide quietly at home and achieved that same objective. He could have fled to Canada. He could have hired an attorney….there are so many things he could have done, but didn’t.

from what I read - they closed investigations on him for any tie with terrorism.

Wouldn’t you, if you felt that the backlash might come back to bite you in the butt?

organized planning. strategic attack. history of vengeful attitude. connection to known terrorist/violent organizations. so on.

This was obviously a well thought-out and executed attack (organized planning/strategic attack). His statements made in class about the war on “islam” (history of vengeful attitude). Attended same mosque as two 911 terrorists and attempt to contact Al Queda (connection to known terrorist/violent organizations)….AND SO ON.

If it was really a terrorist attack at Ft Hood, then Obama just had his first terrorist attack on America soil.

You're right and yet Obama is helping with the cover-up and telling us not to “jump to conclusions”. I believe we have enough evidence at this point that noone has to hop very far to realize the obvious.

 

[kokonut]

Eve, you're right. This looks more of a well planned attack and nothing remotely about PTSD.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

May I ask you to exclude Canada from future discussions? The stereotypes that are being typed out stinks.

Bush asked Canada to tighten up the border protocols when the Iraq War started so people wouldn't flee the country and defect to Canad, and Canada obligated and agreed with him.

 

[Eve]

May I ask you to exclude Canada from future discussions?

No, because this is still a viable option. There are ways around border patrol....look at how many illegal immigrants come to the U.S. from Mexico on a daily basis.

The stereotypes that are being typed out stinks.

I didn't see any stereotyping....you might need to have your eyes examined.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Right...

Don't compare the Mexican border with the Canadian border.

No one is going to harbour an illegal American for any reasons. Employees will harbour an illegal Central American in exchange for cheap labour.

The stereotyping is-- that Canada is a refugee for pacifists and draft avoiders. That used to be true during the Vietnam War. It is not true in this day and age.

 

[Eve]

I did not say that fleeing to Canada would be the end....but it woudl certainly provide for a dishonorable discharge from the Army and wouldn't cost 13 lives in the process.

JURIST - Paper Chase: US Army soldier who fled to Canada to avoid Iraq service pleads guilty to desertion

A US Army soldier who fled to Canada to avoid serving in the Iraq war pleaded guilty Tuesday to charges of desertion. Spc. Cliff Cornell [advocacy profile] was sentenced to one year in prison [AP report] at a court-martial proceeding and was also given a bad conduct discharge.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I did not say that fleeing to Canada would be the end....but it woudl certainly provide for a dishonorable discharge from the Army and wouldn't cost 13 lives in the process.

JURIST - Paper Chase: US Army soldier who fled to Canada to avoid Iraq service pleads guilty to desertion

Right... He got his application denied, got handed by over to the government and he faced the consequences. Yous should had elaborated on the statement rather than making a blanket statement.

 

[Eve]

It wasn't a blanket statement, I was simply pointing out the fact that there were other options. I think a year in the brig and a dishonorable discharge are better options than killing 13, wounding 31, and receiving the death penalty.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

It wasn't a blanket statement, I was simply pointing out the fact that there were other options. I think a year in the brig and a dishonorable discharge are better options than killing 13, wounding 31, and receiving the death penalty.

To many other people, it is a blanket statement because it's the same rhetoric people have beens sprouting out since 2003, even to people that thought Bush was going to initiate a draft and weren't yet serving in the military:

"Move to Canada."

Well, they got their butts handed over back to the government now.

 

[Eve]

Good, they should. But it is still an option (with obvious consequences) as far deserting the Army is concerned.

 

[Jiro]

ever consider that he does not want to go to jail for desertion? he does not want to abandon his family either.

 

[Foxrac]

To many other people, it is a blanket statement because it's the same rhetoric people have beens sprouting out since 2003, even to people that thought Bush was going to initiate a draft and weren't yet serving in the military:

"Move to Canada."

Well, they got their butts handed over back to the government now.

lol, same with Vietnam war in 1960's and many American men was reside to Canada to avoid from draft then.