Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

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And look what it cost them, Reba.
 
Beowulf said:
Talking about red flags...Am I the only one who is scratching my head how a shooter had oodles to time to reload several times, enough to shoot that many people? This was a military installation and something stinks. :shrugs:
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correct me if I'm wrong but - soldiers are not allowed to carry loaded weapons on base.
 
kokonut said:
A good reason to be suspicious of people in the field of psychology who claim to have a good bead on all things psychology related but yet ends up abusing that very field of knowledge. Like Dr. Phil is not actually a psychologist, but he does play one on TV (link). Though sometimes it's hard to see a charlatan in action, other times maybe a bit easier to see the fakery. If anyone had taken a closer look at Hasan's business card and understood the acronyms I'm sure that would've been multiple red flags all around.
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I dunno but..... only you actually believe it's a real business card :dunno:
 
Was it really political correctness? Or was the some other reason that higher ups didn't do anything? Like military culture makes people less likely to report things? The army is not a bastion of politically correct behavior.
 
sallylou said:
Was it really political correctness? Or was the some other reason that higher ups didn't do anything? Like military culture makes people less likely to report things? The army is not a bastion of politically correct behavior.
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it was mentioned in the article that the fellow soldier did not file a formal complaint because of discrimination.

His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal written complaint.
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sure it is. "Don't ask, don't tell"? Remember that? It'll simply get more and more politically correct if we're not carefull and end up like the blue-helmeted UN soldiers who can't do squat.
 
kokonut said:
sure it is. "Don't ask, don't tell"? Remember that? It'll simply get more and more politically correct if we're not carefull and end up like the blue-helmeted UN soldiers who can't do squat.
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not really
 
Jiro said:
correct me if I'm wrong but - soldiers are not allowed to carry loaded weapons on base.
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They are allowed if it's in performance of their duties, such as MP's.

Otherwise, no. They can practice with them on the range but they have to keep them secured the rest of the time.

When they're transporting them on base they can't be loaded.
 
Reba said:
They are allowed if it's in performance of their duties, such as MP's.

Otherwise, no. They can practice with them on the range but they have to keep them secured the rest of the time.

When they're transporting them on base they can't be loaded.
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yea I thought so
 
sallylou said:
Was it really political correctness? Or was the some other reason that higher ups didn't do anything? Like military culture makes people less likely to report things? The army is not a bastion of politically correct behavior.
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The military establishment is VERY political. The more senior, the more political. Then it filters down. It's worse now than ever. PC is taking over and endangering the troops.
 
Reba said:
The military establishment is VERY political. The more senior, the more political. Then it filters down. It's worse now than ever. PC is taking over and endangering the troops.
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and it's also in just about every agencies. hell.... Julius Caesar's had it worse.
 
I'm not really sure what you mean by PC. Obviously, the officers didn't feel like they could report it higher up. Or maybe they did and were told off the record to deal with it themselves.

I even hate office politics! Academia is worse. I can imagine that the military is even worse. I don't know how people deal with that. They are braver and hardier than I am.
 
sallylou said:
I'm not really sure what you mean by PC. Obviously, the officers didn't feel like they could report it higher up. Or maybe they did and were told off the record to deal with it themselves.
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No officer wants to be perceived to be discriminating against Muslims. No officer wants any negative comments on the annual FITREP.
 
This was a terrorist act!! People really miss a lot of red flags! The shooter was sending email to another terrorist for months and one did anything! The people that lost their loves one should sues the government!
 
Reba, I understand what you mean now. Thanks for that clarification. If that's what happened, it must be changed.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
This was a terrorist act!! People really miss a lot of red flags! The shooter was sending email to another terrorist for months and one did anything! The people that lost their loves one should sues the government!
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didn't you read any of articles provided in here? the terrorism has been ruled out.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The shooter was sending email to another terrorist for months and one did anything! The people that lost their loves one should sues the government!
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Actually, it was the CIA that was investigating him for 6 months, and there is no proof yet that they had disclosed their findings to the Army.

Jiro said:
didn't you read any of articles provided in here? the terrorism has been ruled out.
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Where did you see that?
 
I posted the info about the feds investigation above. There seems to be a factual dispute about whether the army was informed. The article is vague about the details.
 
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