Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

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I can't imagine what it's like to be this guy's family members. They are probably in a very bad emotional state.
 
Eve said:
Army: Fort Hood Gunman in Custody After 12 Killed, 31 Injured in Rampage - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

This isn't the one I was previously referring to....still searching.
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just read it. but still..... does that make him a pacifist? There are handful of roles in military that don't require you to carry guns or shooting at front-line.... like Chaplain and mechanics.

That's why he's a psychiatrist. This job position doesn't require him to carry gun nor participate in armed conflict.

Let's hope later on - his statements will explain everything.
 
Jiro said:
but refusing to go automatically makes him a pacifist? *edit* I'll have to go back and read the article that the Hasan family stated he is a pacifist.


guilt by association. I don't have problem if I'm being called to Afghanistan or Iraq but I don't think I would want to go to war that involves in killing Koreans. it's a conflict of interest for me.


did he really enlist for free education?


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Conflict of interest? I suppose you are fortunate enough not to be a whitey during WWII, lol. (Just pulling your leg, lol.)
 
Reba said:
I missed that; too much to keep up with. Can you please direct me to the source?
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my initial search (AP Sources: Rampage gun purchased legally - wtop.com) shows that he bought 2 guns Smith & Wesson .357-caliber revolver and FN 5.7. But the gun he used in this massacre was FN 5.7 aka cop-killer.... commonly used by Mexican drug cartels.

The most powerful type of ammunition for the FN 5.7 gun is available only to law enforcement and military personnel. Gun control advocates call it a "cop killer" weapon because that ammo can pierce bulletproof vests, and its use by Mexican drug cartels worries police.

It is not clear what kind of ammunition was used in the Fort Hood attack.

Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, as well as the Texas Rangers have interviewed store personnel about Hasan's gun purchase. One official said the store records do not indicate Hasan purchased any ammo when he bought the gun.
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Jiro said:
dammit! :mad2:

but thanks. do point me to it if you find it.


quite possible. family members tend to make up emotional stories.
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Right... because he could had been deployed to Balkans during that time before 2000... I know a cousin of mine that served there until the Afghanistan war started.
 
Jiro, his position as a psychiatrist did not "require him to carry gun nor participate in armed conflict" and yet he took guns and killed 13 people and injured 31. I do not call that peaceful (aka pacifist).

I can concede that not all muslims should be removed from military service simply based on their religious preference, but if they take their religion to the extreme or if there is any indication that their religion may interfere with their performance in the armed services, then they should not be permitted to enlist in the first place.
 
Jiro said:
...guilt by association. I don't have problem if I'm being called to Afghanistan or Iraq but I don't think I would want to go to war that involves in killing Koreans. it's a conflict of interest for me.
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Would you be willing to go as a medic? That means, you would not bear arms.


did he really enlist for free education?
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Yes. However, "free" is misleading. The Army provide him a medical education in exchange for contracted years of service.
 
true, Reba. There is a price for everything. No such thing as a "free lunch".
 
I agree that the military dropped the ball, but remember the old MASH tv show where Klinger dressed as a woman in order to get a section-8 discharge from the Korean war? If the Army let everyone who acted up out of the army after having put them through medical school, there would be no Army left.
 
Eve said:
Jiro, his position as a psychiatrist did not "require him to carry gun nor participate in armed conflict" and yet he took guns and killed 13 people and injured 31. I do not call that peaceful (aka pacifist).

I can concede that not all muslims should be removed from military service simply based on their religious preference, but if they take their religion to the extreme or if there is any indication that their religion may interfere with their performance in the armed services, then they should not be permitted to enlist in the first place.
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That is what gets me about this whole thing. It is common knowledge that psychiatrists get extensive counseling themselves to keep an even keel. I get the distinct impression that this guy was a psychiatrist in name only, with no feedback or contact among his peers. Whatever the outcome, heads are going to roll.
 
Eve said:
Jiro, his position as a psychiatrist did not "require him to carry gun nor participate in armed conflict" and yet he took guns and killed 13 people and injured 31. I do not call that peaceful (aka pacifist).
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yep..... just like all jihadists around the world - a hypocrite.

Eve said:
I can concede that not all muslims should be removed from military service simply based on their religious preference, but if they take their religion to the extreme or if there is any indication that their religion may interfere with their performance in the armed services, then they should not be permitted to enlist in the first place.
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and they should have been immediately dishonorably discharged too if they later displayed Anti-American views
 
Reba said:
Would you be willing to go as a medic? That means, you would not bear arms.
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I can never be medic but I know what you're saying. very hard to say. I would say "no. please reassign me to different war."

but then - I don't know. Maybe I would have no problem going to war against Koreans. Maybe I would have a problem about it but I know better myself that I wouldn't do what Hasan did.

but then..... you never know, eh? after all - they said he's a peaceful, law-abiding, compassionate person..... :hmm:


j/k
 
Beowulf said:
That is what gets me about this whole thing. It is common knowledge that psychiatrists get extensive counseling themselves to keep an even keel. I get the distinct impression that this guy was a psychiatrist in name only, with no feedback or contact among his peers. Whatever the outcome, heads are going to roll.
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A good reason to be suspicious of people in the field of psychology who claim to have a good bead on all things psychology related but yet ends up abusing that very field of knowledge. Like Dr. Phil is not actually a psychologist, but he does play one on TV (link). Though sometimes it's hard to see a charlatan in action, other times maybe a bit easier to see the fakery. If anyone had taken a closer look at Hasan's business card and understood the acronyms I'm sure that would've been multiple red flags all around.
 
kokonut said:
A good reason to be suspicious of people in the field of psychology who claim to have a good bead on all things psychology related but yet ends up abusing that very field of knowledge. Like Dr. Phil is not actually a psychologist, but he does play one on TV (link). Though sometimes it's hard to see a charlatan in action, other times maybe a bit easier to see the fakery. If anyone had taken a closer look at Hasan's business card and understood the acronyms I'm sure that would've been multiple red flags all around.
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Talking about red flags...Am I the only one who is scratching my head how a shooter had oodles to time to reload several times, enough to shoot that many people? This was a military installation and something stinks. :shrugs:
 
Beowulf said:
That is what gets me about this whole thing. It is common knowledge that psychiatrists get extensive counseling themselves to keep an even keel. I get the distinct impression that this guy was a psychiatrist in name only, with no feedback or contact among his peers. Whatever the outcome, heads are going to roll.
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Due to political over-correctness, his peers and supervisors might have been afraid to say anything. I'm not saying that's right but it could be the situation. Too many people are walking on egg shells when it comes to questioning or criticizing Muslims.
 
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