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Reading other threads, someone made a comment about having other hearing children in the house. The challenges that come along with having one DHH child, and the rest of the house is hearing. So what do you propose Jillio? Everyone turn their voice off all the time? What about when we are communicating with others who are hearing and the DHH child is in the room? Verbally respond to a question and then sign your answer in ASL, or respond verbally and in sign at the same time so that child still has access to the conversation going on?
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I may be a little late to the thread, but I think I can answer this question as I have one deaf child and the rest of the household is hearing (I have three children seven and under; my deaf son recently turned 5):

As a family, we are committed to learning ASL, so if it's information that is important for all the children to receive then we sign it so that they all have equal access. Sometimes we will go voice-off for a day outing -- to the zoo, for example -- for the practice, to include my deaf son as much as possible, and because it's fun (you should see the looks we get; I've noticed that hearing people suddenly stop talking when they think they're around Deaf people). My wife and I sign as much as possible when communicating with each other, though it is often sim-com because our signing skills are still developing. If there is information being conveyed in the room and nobody is signing at the moment, we make a judgment call and convey the information to my deaf son if we think it's something he should know or might want to know. For instance, my wife and I were discussing one of us running out to pick up a video. My hearing son overheard us and commented, so I took a moment to explain the conversation to my deaf son so that when one of us suddenly walked out the door, he wouldn't be confused and wonder what was going on. What's really precious is when we catch our kids in a room by themselves all signing away to each other.

In short, choosing to have a bilingual household is a pretty major lifestyle decision and takes commitment, discipline, and the support of the entire family.
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unfortunatly, when you sim-com you are providing lingustically confusing information that does as much harm as good.

Also, doesn't your child have the right to ALL information, not just what directly concerns him? Hearing kids have that access, the ability to "overhear" conversations that have nothing to do with them. In fact, 90% of language is learned that way, and you aren't providing that for your child. He is missing out on crucial learning opportunities every single time you don't sign. If he doesn't have the chance to watch natural, adult level, language, how will he ever become fluent? He needs to be able to watch fluent users use language that isn't directed at him. He needs to see you discuss bills and wallpaper and the mechanic. He shouldn't just rely on you "bringing him up to speed" in a condensed version because he missed out when you chose to leave him out.
 
IMHO, some information is not shared with all the kids due to age level, subject matter or content. Age and maturity level is considered when presenting various subjects to children. You can present most anything appropriate in a conversation tailored for them.
M.M. stated that the family ASL was developing. The entire family should be applauded. As their ASL develops the sim com will be left behind and develop into graceful ASL. Bravo.
 
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Mountain Man said:
Please, faire_jour, you know better than to lecture me. :roll:
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do you actually disagree with any of the points i made, or are you just mad it was me that brought it up? Every single thing i said was true, so rather than hide behind an eye roll, do something about it.
 
LDNanna said:
IMHO, some information is not shared with all the kids due to age level, subject matter or content. Age and maturity level is considered when presenting various subjects to children. You can present most anything appropriate in a conversation tailored for them.
M.M. stated that the family ASL was developing. The entire family should be applauded. As their ASL develops the sim com will be left behind and develop into graceful ASL. Bravo.
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Thanks for your comments, but you should keep in mind that faire_jour is just trying to jam it to me because of past disagreements. She knows perfectly well that my son is attending the local Deaf school where he is receiving the high level language immersion he needs for proper linguistic and cognitive development.
 
LDNanna said:
IMHO, some information is not shared with all the kids due to age level, subject matter or content. Age and maturity level is considered when presenting various subjects to children. You can present most anything appropriate in a conversation tailored for them.
M.M. stated that the family ASL was developing. The entire family should be applauded. As their ASL develops the sim com will be left behind and develop into graceful ASL. Bravo.
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+1

Also, that his son is in an educational setting where he has full access to the proper languages, information, and communication.
 
faire_jour said:
do you actually disagree with any of the points i made, or are you just mad it was me that brought it up? Every single thing i said was true, so rather than hide behind an eye roll, do something about it.
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The problem here is the deliberately patronizing way you have chosen to address me.

"Do something about it" indeed. As my family's ASL skills improve, those deficiencies will be naturally resolved.
 
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Mountain Man said:
LDNanna said:
IMHO, some information is not shared with all the kids due to age level, subject matter or content. Age and maturity level is considered when presenting various subjects to children. You can present most anything appropriate in a conversation tailored for them.
M.M. stated that the family ASL was developing. The entire family should be applauded. As their ASL develops the sim com will be left behind and develop into graceful ASL. Bravo.
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Thanks for your comments, but you should keep in mind that faire_jour is just trying to jam it to me because of past disagreements. She knows perfectly well that my son is attending the local Deaf school where he is receiving the high level language immersion he needs for proper linguistic and cognitive development.
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so it is ok to be cut off from communication at home because he gets language at school....ok then.
 
faire_jour said:
so it is ok to be cut off from communication at home because he gets language at school....ok then.
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Based on comments I've made here and in other threads, whatever gave you the idea that my son is cut off from communication at home?

Seriously, kiddo, stop with this trying to score cheap points against me.
 
Mountain Man said:
As a family, we are committed to learning ASL, so if it's information that is important for all the children to receive then we sign it so that they all have equal access. Sometimes we will go voice-off for a day outing -- to the zoo, for example -- for the practice, to include my deaf son as much as possible, and because it's fun (you should see the looks we get; I've noticed that hearing people suddenly stop talking when they think they're around Deaf people). My wife and I sign as much as possible when communicating with each other, though it is often sim-com because our signing skills are still developing. If there is information being conveyed in the room and nobody is signing at the moment, we make a judgment call and convey the information to my deaf son if we think it's something he should know or might want to know. For instance, my wife and I were discussing one of us running out to pick up a video. My hearing son overheard us and commented, so I took a moment to explain the conversation to my deaf son so that when one of us suddenly walked out the door, he wouldn't be confused and wonder what was going on. What's really precious is when we catch our kids in a room by themselves all signing away to each other.

In short, choosing to have a bilingual household is a pretty major lifestyle decision and takes commitment, discipline, and the support of the entire family.
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so it is ok to be cut off from communication at home because he gets language at school....ok then.
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Where does he say that his child is cut off from communication at home. I don't see it. I see that they are all learning ASL and they make a point of letting the deaf son know what's going on with a spoken conversation so as to not feel left out and confused.

Did you even read his post?
 
jillio said:
Right there it is. You place English at a higher level of value than you do ASL. The core belief of an audist. And I did not call you an audist. I said that you are voicing opinions that are the same as the core beliefs of an audist. If you don't want to be grouped in that way, then you need to do some examining of your attitudes and they way they are communicated to others.
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Yes, in a number of your posts CSign, it appears by your choice of words that you had certain people whispering in your ear.
 
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BecLak said:
jillio said:
Right there it is. You place English at a higher level of value than you do ASL. The core belief of an audist. And I did not call you an audist. I said that you are voicing opinions that are the same as the core beliefs of an audist. If you don't want to be grouped in that way, then you need to do some examining of your attitudes and they way they are communicated to others.
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Yes, it a number of your posts CSign, it appears by your choice of words that you had certain people whispering in your ear.
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i assume that this is supposed to be about me. The idea that i am "talking in her ear" is just stupid. I don't know tis person. What kind of paranoida do you live with???
 
faire_jour said:
i assume that this is supposed to be about me. The idea that i am "talking in her ear" is just stupid. I don't know tis person. What kind of paranoida do you live with???
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You assume it's about you, yet BecLak is the one who's paranoid. Huh?

You seriously didn't notice the irony as you wrote that?
 
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Mountain Man said:
faire_jour said:
so it is ok to be cut off from communication at home because he gets language at school....ok then.
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Based on comments I've made here and in other threads, whatever gave you the idea that my son is cut off from communication at home?

Seriously, kiddo, stop with this trying to score cheap points against me.
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he is cut off every single moment you choose to not use ASL.
 
faire_jour said:
Here, or at all? It happens every day. There are parents of CI users (and parents) that have been threatened, theire childrens schools have been targeted, they are called names, and as I have said before, I had a Deaf person tell me that he hoped CI kids ended up with brain damage so that prents would stop implanting.
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We asked you to provide documentation on this. This was months ago. A single report would have done. There was outrage by us on this board that people actually were threatened, that police should have been called, and you couldn't back any of that up. You've refused thus far.

And now you want PFH to provide documentation for his statements?

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why make an accusation like that and then not back it up?
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What goes around comes around, lady. Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.
 
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