SEE is a language... It's English...

[CSign]

Right there it is. You place English at a higher level of value than you do ASL. The core belief of an audist.

Here you go again, calling me an audist.

Just because I chose to eat the chocolate cake today and saved vanilla for tomorrow doesn't mean I like vanilla any less.

 

[jillio]

I don't view ASL or English as being better or superior. I place the equal value on them both. They both serve a valuable purpose.

Then why, since your child is deaf, have you not used first the language which has evolved to suit the needs of the deaf cognitively?

 

[jillio]

Now that I've lived in the South for many years, I've learned that there is no such thing as a "Southern" accent. The accent is different in each Southeastern state, and then it varies within regions of each state. I can now identify the differences. Hubby and I laugh at some of the accents used in movies and TV shows. Some character is supposedly from South Carolina but has an obvious Mississippi accent.

In South Carolina it's so specific that Charleston is even further subdivided. There's even a South-of-Broad (SOB) accent for the aristocrats, and then the Gullah-Geechee (dialect and accent) of the outlying island people.

How do y'all like that?

Absolutely. Eastern TN, middle TN, and Western TN all have different variations is spoken dialect. Funny thing is, the sign varies just as the spoken language does.

 

[jillio]

Here is one. You can scroll back a page to see "people" saying I'm anti-ASL

That was a response to another poster. I said "audism abounds" not CSign is an audist. Again, you are taking things far too personally and becoming overly defensive about things that are not even directed at you. Perhaps you are not as confident in your choices as you would like to believe.

 

[jillio]

Here is another audist comment. While she didn't specify me, the implication is there that I'm grouped in with the "Audists"

Again a case of thinking that I am referrring personally to you when I am not. It is not my words that are the problem here, it is the way you are interpreting them.

Trust me, I use the word "audism" on a regular basis without ever giving even a passing thought to you.

 

[jillio]

Still, it's not a direct response nor a personal attack against you. They did not call you out by your name. There is a difference.

A huge difference. It seems that there are people who are quick to take one of my posts and misinterpret it as a direct personal insult, but see nothing wrong with a specific insult they choose to throw my way, such as directly making negative and insulting statements regarding my credentials and experience. I think there is a lot of projecting going on here.

 

[jillio]

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they never do, because that would be a personal attack and that is cause for banning.

are you saying that when someone says "these audist ci parents" they aren't targeting the parents of kids with cis on the board? Or if they say "people who choose SEE are audist and don't value ASL", that wouldn't be directed at her? Are you actually going to attempt that?

Get over yourself, FJ. Most of us try very hard not to think about you. You certainly are not foremost in our minds with every word we post. The problem is not anything said on this board, but your overly defensive attitude and belief that you are all that important in the grand scheme of things.

 

[jillio]

I think its funny... I propose a question and it's being sidetracked with answers such as "They're audists!!!!"

Then all of a sudden Faire Jour comes in... makes me go

I have seen many of these coincidences in the past.

 

[jillio]

Here you go again, calling me an audist.

Just because I chose to eat the chocolate cake today and saved vanilla for tomorrow doesn't mean I like vanilla any less.

Scroll back. I did not say "CSign is an audist". I said your statement is indicative of the core beliefs found in audism. Perhaps you are unconscious of the ways in which your statements reflect those core beliefs. If you truly don't want to be grouped in with those who carry audist attitudes, then perhaps you should examine the way in which your attitudes are being communicated here, and the ways in which some of your beliefs might reflect audist beliefs.

I'm trying to give you a break here. Many people don't realize that they have audist beliefs until the connection is pointed out to them. The sensitive ones, and the ones intent on learning more about what it is to be deaf, examine those beliefs and seek to change them to a less hearing focused perspective. I'm hoping you are one the ones that just doesn't realize. But it is getting difficult to give you that break as you just keep doing it and insisting you aren't. That coupled with your overly defensive attitude is making it hard, indeed, to give you a break.

 

[CSign]

Again a case of thinking that I am referrring personally to you when I am not. It is not my words that are the problem here, it is the way you are interpreting them.

Trust me, I use the word "audism" on a regular basis without ever giving even a passing thought to you.

Sure Jillio. You're right. You absolutely were not putting me in that group....

Wait, yes you were. Scroll back a few posts and there you are pulling a quote from me and and saying, "the core belief of an Audist!"

It might be healthy to consider not focusing on audism as much and perhaps consider focusing on the positive rather than thinking about audism on a "regular basis."

 

[jillio]

Here you go again, calling me an audist.

Just because I chose to eat the chocolate cake today and saved vanilla for tomorrow doesn't mean I like vanilla any less.

Fallicious comparison.

 

[jillio]

Sure Jillio. You're right. You absolutely were not putting me in that group....

Wait, yes you were. Scroll back a few posts and there you are pulling a quote from me and and saying, "the core belief of an Audist!"

It might be healthy to consider not focusing on audism as much and perhaps consider focusing on the positive rather than thinking about audism on a "regular basis."

Nope, I said the core beliefs in audism. Why do you have such a strong need to be the center of everything that gets said on this forum?

It is necessary to focus on audism because it is sneaky and insiduous, and does great harm to the deaf community, especially children and educational environments. One does not ignore the enemy, or pretend it doesn't exist, if one does not want to be consumed by it.

The fact that you work so hard to deny it's existence only gives it permission to continue. Just be aware that your own child will be affected by audism. I'd work hard to eradicate it, if I were you. I certainly would not tolerate it.

 

[dogmom]

this part about being necessary to focus on the audism <which I agree with> and the idea of NOT doing so, reminds me of some similar statements like someone exclaiming in a frustrated way "too much concentration on racism, or ableism or.....?" - well, there is SO MUCH underlying racism, ableism, etc - that to not see the degree to which it affects things would be having blinders on...and to NOT SEE how important it is point out racism, audism and the like, is in itself a privileged position-

 

[CSign]

Nope, I said the core beliefs in audism. Why do you have such a strong need to be the center of everything that gets said on this forum?

It is necessary to focus on audism because it is sneaky and insiduous, and does great harm to the deaf community, especially children and educational environments. One does not ignore the enemy, or pretend it doesn't exist, if one does not want to be consumed by it.

The fact that you work so hard to deny it's existence only gives it permission to continue. Just be aware that your own child will be affected by audism. I'd work hard to eradicate it, if I were you. I certainly would not tolerate it.

I had a feeling I'd get that type of response from you. I do not work hard to deny it's existence. I'm stating the fact that I am not an Audist.

I agree it needs to be addressed, but accusing someone of having Audist beliefs because they value English is just ridiculous.

 

[CSign]

Fallicious comparison.

Okay Jillio, let's try this one again.

Just because I put on my left sock before the right, does not mean I value my left sock more.

 

[shel90]

Sure Jillio. You're right. You absolutely were not putting me in that group....

Wait, yes you were. Scroll back a few posts and there you are pulling a quote from me and and saying, "the core belief of an Audist!"

It might be healthy to consider not focusing on audism as much and perhaps consider focusing on the positive rather than thinking about audism on a "regular basis."

BUT views like the ones about ASL are audist in nature. It is a fact.

 

[faire_jour]

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Here you go again, calling me an audist.

Just because I chose to eat the chocolate cake today and saved vanilla for tomorrow doesn't mean I like vanilla any less.

Scroll back. I did not say "CSign is an audist". I said your statement is indicative of the core beliefs found in audism. Perhaps you are unconscious of the ways in which your statements reflect those core beliefs. If you truly don't want to be grouped in with those who carry audist attitudes, then perhaps you should examine the way in which your attitudes are being communicated here, and the ways in which some of your beliefs might reflect audist beliefs.

I'm trying to give you a break here. Many people don't realize that they have audist beliefs until the connection is pointed out to them. The sensitive ones, and the ones intent on learning more about what it is to be deaf, examine those beliefs and seek to change them to a less hearing focused perspective. I'm hoping you are one the ones that just doesn't realize. But it is getting difficult to give you that break as you just keep doing it and insisting you aren't. That coupled with your overly defensive attitude is making it hard, indeed, to give you a break.

"i didn't say you were a nazi, i said that the things you say and do are the same as a nazi....totally different! So there is no need to take it personally or get offended."

yeah, right.

 

[Beowulf]

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"i didn't say you were a nazi, i said that the things you say and do are the same as a nazi....totally different! So there is no need to take it personally or get offended."

yeah, right.

Replace "nazi" with "dildo." That might make you feel better.

 

[Mountain Man]

Reading other threads, someone made a comment about having other hearing children in the house. The challenges that come along with having one DHH child, and the rest of the house is hearing. So what do you propose Jillio? Everyone turn their voice off all the time? What about when we are communicating with others who are hearing and the DHH child is in the room? Verbally respond to a question and then sign your answer in ASL, or respond verbally and in sign at the same time so that child still has access to the conversation going on?

I may be a little late to the thread, but I think I can answer this question as I have one deaf child and the rest of the household is hearing (I have three children seven and under; my deaf son recently turned 5):

As a family, we are committed to learning ASL, so if it's information that is important for all the children to receive then we sign it so that they all have equal access. Sometimes we will go voice-off for a day outing -- to the zoo, for example -- for the practice, to include my deaf son as much as possible, and because it's fun (you should see the looks we get; I've noticed that hearing people suddenly stop talking when they think they're around Deaf people). My wife and I sign as much as possible when communicating with each other, though it is often sim-com because our signing skills are still developing. If there is information being conveyed in the room and nobody is signing at the moment, we make a judgment call and convey the information to my deaf son if we think it's something he should know or might want to know. For instance, my wife and I were discussing one of us running out to pick up a video. My hearing son overheard us and commented, so I took a moment to explain the conversation to my deaf son so that when one of us suddenly walked out the door, he wouldn't be confused and wonder what was going on. What's really precious is when we catch our kids in a room by themselves all signing away to each other.

In short, choosing to have a bilingual household is a pretty major lifestyle decision and takes commitment, discipline, and the support of the entire family.

 

[Mountain Man]

I'm stating the fact that I am not an Audist.

You may not be an audist, but placing such a great emphasis on your son learning English at the cost of learning a language that comes naturally to him is a sentiment firmly rooted in the audist mindset. Note that this doesn't necessarily make you an audist, but it does mean that at least on this point you have adopted an audist point of view.