SEE is a language... It's English...

[CSign]

Banjo, you know just as well as I do the implication was there.

 

[Banjo]

Banjo, you know just as well as I do the implication was there.

Look who's talking. It doesn't matter, it wasn't a direct response. Sorry.

 

[Beowulf]

I am saying sometimes, with the impression that the student/person who is using the interpreter uses ASL as their primary mode of communication.

PFH, you asked why I am "hardcore SEE" now. I appreciate you asking that, although I wouldn't label myself "hardcore SEE.". The reason was/ is because in the research I did, I found that many DHH students were graduating high school with a 3rd to 4th grade reading level. I did not want my son to be one of those statistics. That is a part of why we chose to use SEE. He now has a solid foundation in English to work from. That's not to say that he won't experience any challenges. Every person, deaf or not faces challenges in school. From the knowledge he has now, he will be continue to grow and improve.
As I said before, there is no one right way to do things. Different paths ultimately can lead to the sane place.

Banjo, you know just as well as I do the implication was there.

Sighhhh....

 

[Bottesini]

Here is another audist comment. While she didn't specify me, the implication is there that I'm grouped in with the "Audists"

I think she really grouped you with disrespectful people, whether audist or not.

 

[Banjo]

I think she really grouped you with disrespectful people, whether audist or not.

That's more like it.

 

[CSign]

Ok then.

 

[faire_jour]

Wirelessly posted

Here is another audist comment. While she didn't specify me, the implication is there that I'm grouped in with the "Audists"

Still, it's not a direct response nor a personal attack against you. They did not call you out by your name. There is a difference.

they never do, because that would be a personal attack and that is cause for banning.

are you saying that when someone says "these audist ci parents" they aren't targeting the parents of kids with cis on the board? Or if they say "people who choose SEE are audist and don't value ASL", that wouldn't be directed at her? Are you actually going to attempt that?

 

[posts from hell]

Ok then.

still evading my question eh?

 

[Banjo]

they never do, because that would be a personal attack and that is cause for banning.

are you saying that when someone says "these audist ci parents" they aren't targeting the parents of kids with cis on the board? Or if they say "people who choose SEE are audist and don't value ASL", that wouldn't be directed at her? Are you actually going to attempt that?

Like I said, stop taking it personally. Then maybe you can enjoy life a little more.

 

[posts from hell]

I think its funny... I propose a question and it's being sidetracked with answers such as "They're audists!!!!"

Then all of a sudden Faire Jour comes in... makes me go

 

[CSign]

PFH I'm not evading any question. I've already stated the fact that we are transitioning to ASL. That was stated I believe in the very first post, as well as a few others within these 18 pages.

 

[jillio]

you are right. I should wait and do not make assume until she has something to say it. It is just me what I see in her post that she thinks ASL is not an effective language for reading or writing skills.

I see where you were going,though. It certainly appeared that way to me, as well.

 

[posts from hell]

PFH I'm not evading any question. I've already stated the fact that we are transitioning to ASL. That was stated I believe in the very first post, as well as a few others within these 18 pages.

are you doing the transition now? I asked that.

 

[CSign]

Then why not switch over to ASL now since you OBVIOUSLY know its better?

I don't view ASL or English as being better or superior. I place the equal value on them both. They both serve a valuable purpose.

That was my initial response to your question PFH

 

[posts from hell]

That was my initial response to your question PFH

alright then.

 

[jillio]

You didn't have to say it. It was clearly implied.

Isn't it amazing that some don't seem to understand that there is more being said than the words seen in black and white? The choice of words, the way things are phrased...all reveal underlying attitudes. But when called on it, the backpedaling starts. Trouble with backpedaling is, they just manage to dig a bigger hole for themselves in most cases. Then they get frustrated and start slinging ad hominems around.

The productive reaction would be to get a little introspective and start examining how those attitudes are apparent in behaviors and word choices and do something to change the attitude. But I suppose it is easier to claim to be misunderstood and blame it on the others than it is to do the work on oneself.

 

[jillio]

Are you kidding me?????????

How was it clearly implied? I chose to focus on English in the early years because I knew it would be a challenge. That doesn't mean I don't value ASL, it means that I wanted to ensure that he be proficient in English. How does that imply that I don't like ASL? Stop reading into things that aren't there Banjo.

Right there it is. You place English at a higher level of value than you do ASL. The core belief of an audist. And I did not call you an audist. I said that you are voicing opinions that are the same as the core beliefs of an audist. If you don't want to be grouped in that way, then you need to do some examining of your attitudes and they way they are communicated to others.

 

[jillio]

For me, my English and grammar skills as well as spelling skills were excellent. I just had massive issues and still do with comprehension. I have been told that's due to my hearing loss while growing up.

Sure. You can learn and memorize the mechanics. The comprehension is what is affected, because you end up trying to process too much auditory information from a visual perspective. As I have said over and over, they are processed differently.

 

[jillio]

Should the language in our heads be more important than perfect Englishskills?


Sometimes I think English is soooo f****** overrated. It DOES NOT f*^^^%%%^%%%%%%% measure our cognitive skills. MY God @ those people who believe in that. WTF are you people thinking?!

Exactly. The language in your head is the very most important, as that is what leads to creative thought and fluid intelligence.

 

[jillio]

Haven't been here for a while...but saw this thread and had to respond...so much of what I am thinking has already been said, but I do have to say I have yet to see anyone ever sign SEE at a NORMAL conversational speed. I asked terp friend of mine who is just a brilliant wonderful terp to do it...and, while it pained her to sign anything other than ASL, she did it for me and said there was no way she could sign word-for-word English at the same speed she speaks.

A point we have all attempted to make. However, the OP insists that she can and does sign SEE at a conversational speed. If so, she is the only person I have ever seen do it. And I have signed with hundreds over the years.