SEE is a language... It's English...

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You are right. You do not speak for me nor anyone here. I speak for myself. Both of us don't always agree on everything, however we do agree to disagree. That's what makes debating so much easier knowing you are able to agree to disagree with me instead of getting defensive.

That's what I love about Jillio. I can feel comfortable with tellng her that I disagree with some things she has said or if she was wrong about something knowing that she wont play "Poor me, I am the victim" act.
 
Csign, don't feel singled out. I'd have thought AD would be a "safe haven," a welcoming environment for a family putting effort into providing an ASL immersion experience for a child, a place where I might find others doing the same. There are not very many here, surprisingly.

Here we find that the parents of deaf children providing bilingual environments are told to take themselves off to a hearing aid forum, and I'm being scolded by a hearing person and an oral deaf adult with little if any interest in ASL up to a year or two ago for putting all of this 'directed parent-child' effort into bringing an 'overload' of ASL to my child's life. Seems like a lot of arguing for arguments's sake when you've got posters advocating to keep families with deaf kids apart from the Deaf and let the child pick up whatever language is in use in the neighborhood or local school rather than making a conscious decision to incorporate ASL in her life and provide fluent specialists in the process.
You sound a little bitter.
 
Reba, Thank you. I will make sure to add you to the honor roll. :-D
 
Csign, don't feel singled out. I'd have thought AD would be a "safe haven," a welcoming environment for a family putting effort into providing an ASL immersion experience for a child, a place where I might find others doing the same. There are not very many here, surprisingly.

Here we find that the parents of deaf children providing bilingual environments are told to take themselves off to a hearing aid forum, and I'm being scolded by a hearing person and an oral deaf adult with little if any interest in ASL up to a year or two ago for putting all of this 'directed parent-child' effort into bringing an 'overload' of ASL to my child's life. Seems like a lot of arguing for arguments's sake when you've got posters advocating to keep families with deaf kids apart from the Deaf and let the child pick up whatever language is in use in the neighborhood or local school rather than making a conscious decision to incorporate ASL in her life and provide fluent specialists in the process.

Someone has to say it. OFF TOPIC. Not to mention a huge degree of misunderstanding or intentionally misinterpreting. It is beginning to look like the latter. This is not the place to throw your bitterness around.

Uhh...I have yet to find any specialist who is as fluent as a Native Signer. Duh.
 
Excellent post!:ty: I have been trying for some time now to get the point across about the negatives of an overly directive child / parent relationship. A child needs only a language rich environment. All of this directive activity not only inhibits creativity in language use for the child, it also, quite often, gives a parent a false sense of security. The assume that as long as the child is "learning the lessons", they are acquiring fluent language. Unfortunately, that is rarely the case.

My own child acquired ASL not in a classroom, nor in a directive teaching situation, but merely from socializing with other deaf/Deaf people. I learned it in the same way. He much faster than I, as he was but a toddler. He was not provided with lessons to learn...he was merely placed in a situation where people conversed with him.

It appears they are still not 'getting' it. :sad:
 
It appears they are still not 'getting' it. :sad:

Yeah. I'd be a little concerned of I thought it was because they just weren't able to understand. But we all know that it is intentional. So to heck with it.
 
Why dont you, oralists, go in the other threads about sex, alcholol, hell, or whatever and just have some fun.


REEEEELLLLAAAAXXX and get to know us in other avenues instead of staying in your CI boxes.
 
why dont you, oralists, go in the other threads about sex, alcholol, hell, or whatever and just have some fun.


Reeeeellllaaaaxxx and get to know us in other avenues instead of staying in your ci boxes.

+1
 
That's what I love about Jillio. I can feel comfortable with tellng her that I disagree with some things she has said or if she was wrong about something knowing that she wont play "Poor me, I am the victim" act.

Yep. And you have disagreed with me on some things. No biggie.:P
 
You sound a little bitter.

I'm a little bit unhappy that Beclak has painted me of doing wrong by my daughter for the intensity of her ASL immersion and of judging that others who don't take my path as being in error.

I absolutely disagree with her view on both of these points, my perspective is very much the opposite.
 
I get cramps in my brain thinking about having to watch it!:giggle:

I tried signing it and it screwed up with my thought processes. It was like my ASL and English parts were fighting with each other to take over.

If one is signing SEE perfectly, it means they are only fluent in one language but having trouble achieving the same effect of that language like it gets achieved in its natural form.
 
Why dont you, oralists, go in the other threads about sex, alcholol, hell, or whatever and just have some fun.


REEEEELLLLAAAAXXX and get to know us in other avenues instead of staying in your CI boxes.

Oh we already tried suggesting that. We got told no way, not interested. this was just a week ago or so.
 
I'm a little bit unhappy that Beclak has painted me of doing wrong by my daughter for the intensity of her ASL immersion and of judging that others who don't take my path as being in error.

I absolutely disagree with her view on both of these points, my perspective is very much the opposite.

You support giving deaf children a language model that has been proved ineffective and oralism.


Those are what caused so many deaf children to suffer. So, why are you unhappy?
 
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Oh we already tried suggesting that. We got told no way, not interested. this was just a week ago or so.


I know but the sex threads are humorous! Sex can always end war...too bad the leaders of different countries dont get enough of it. If so, the world would be at peace, capsi?
 
I tried signing it and it screwed up with my thought processes. It was like my ASL and English parts were fighting with each other to take over.

If one is signing SEE perfectly, it means they are only fluent in one language but having trouble achieving the same effect of that language like it gets achieved in its natural form.

Exactly. As we were discussing last week, in order to communicate fluently and fluidly in ASL a cognitive shift is required.
 
I'm a little bit unhappy that Beclak has painted me of doing wrong by my daughter for the intensity of her ASL immersion and of judging that others who don't take my path as being in error.

I absolutely disagree with her view on both of these points, my perspective is very much the opposite.

Not my business, but I would just ignore her if she bothers you. Sending your child to a bi-bi school for ASL immersion and tutoring the family on Saturdays seems wonderful to me.
 
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I know but the sex threads are humorous! Sex can always end war...too bad the leaders of different countries dont get enough of it. If so, the world would be at peace, capsi?

I think a war would break out if we had an orgy! Too many jealous lovers. :giggle:
 
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