SEE is a language... It's English...

[shel90]

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I am sorry to be blunt, but that right there shows that you are not getting what Jillio meant. I know what she meant and it takes for someone to really think outside of the box to understand it.

 

[deafskeptic]

oh nevermind

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[jillio]

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What would that ? be?

 

[jillio]

I am sorry to be blunt, but that right there shows that you are not getting what Jillio meant. I know what she meant and it takes for someone to really think outside of the box to understand it.

 

[GrendelQ]

Oh by the way, we are not 'singling out' anyone. It is a general misconception of the majority of the hearing world that we are addressing, your little 'club' are not the only ones. That is what AD is all about Deaf having a voice so there would be better understanding in the hearing world. Unfortunately, you are just in the number that 'don't get it'. Ignorance is bliss, Be Educated - (and I am not referring to general Education, university degrees or such) Knowledge is not just WHAT you know, but how it is applied and understood.

Beclak, you addressed the post I responded to very directly to me, telling me my approach with my daughter is wrong, too much involvement with professionals, not enough time spent with my child. That's getting very personal. In my case, those professionals are Deaf, and the language being emphasized is ASL, and we value their involvement tremendously.

 

[jillio]

See what happens when you agree with me, BecLak? You set yourself up as a target for hearing parents!

 

[BecLak]

You know why I am against oralism even though it appeared to "work" for me?

It was killing me daily but NOBODY..I mean nobdy could even guess.

That is exactly what it was/is like for me.

 

[BecLak]

See what happens when you agree with me, BecLak? You set yourself up as a target for hearing parents!

Yeah, you think? :P It's ok, they want to try prove their mastery of the English language is better than mine, and I am Severely Deaf at that! I will take that challenge. (I really should follow Miss D's advice and stay well away...but sorry, no can do. Part of my line of 'work' with my husband (more my passion) is advocating for human rights.) But, they are not 'mastering' the essence or context in which I am writing - go figure...?

 

[Reba]

...I'm Australian, by the way - so it would be AUSLAN for me and I am also learning ASL too....

Excuse me a moment while I go off topic but you gave me something to think about.

In Australia, your sign language is AUSLAN, correct? Since your country is English speaking, are deaf students in "mainstreamed" schools taught SEE or an Australian equivalent sign system?

And going even further off topic (or maybe not) do other countries have this same kind of controversy? Do they have a native sign language vs. invented sign system controversy in their schools? Or is it purely an American problem?

 

[BecLak]

For me being oral was reading everything in sight in order to make up for what I missed in mainstream. I had to do a lot of guesswork in order to understand what everyone said to me.

There were no note takers for me or terps for me in those days. It was not till I was a teen that anything got closed captioned. It meant I had to be pulled out of class to work on my speech.

It's putting up with endless neverminds when you fail to understand what the other person said to me. People will be more interested in your speech than if you can understand THEM.

And that's jut a partial list of what being oral meant for me.

Well said. Exactly the same for me.

 

[BecLak]

Excuse me a moment while I go off topic but you gave me something to think about.

In Australia, your sign language is AUSLAN, correct? Since your country is English speaking, are deaf students in "mainstreamed" schools taught SEE or an Australian equivalent sign system?

And going even further off topic (or maybe not) do other countries have this same kind of controversy? Do they have a native sign language vs. invented sign system controversy in their schools? Or is it purely an American problem?

Hi Reba,

Just English and LOTE (Language Other Than English) usually, either Japanese or Indonesian and in some places Chinese. Use of AUSLAN outside of the Deaf Community has only just come out of the woodworks in the past few years, since teaching hearing babies to sign has become a trend. AUSLAN is still not being taught as a LOTE in mainstream schools. To take classes you need to join a Community Programme.

 

[BecLak]

Excuse me a moment while I go off topic but you gave me something to think about.

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And going even further off topic (or maybe not) do other countries have this same kind of controversy? Do they have a native sign language vs. invented sign system controversy in their schools? Or is it purely an American problem?[/QUOTE]

I honestly don't know about other countries having any 'SEE' kind of programme. But I do know that the stigmas, the misunderstanding, the mockery, and prejudice against the Deaf by the hearing society are the same everywhere. In the USA, there is more awareness and advocacy.

 

[BecLak]

I'm a little bit unhappy that Beclak has painted me of doing wrong by my daughter for the intensity of her ASL immersion and of judging that others who don't take my path as being in error.

I absolutely disagree with her view on both of these points, my perspective is very much the opposite.

In reply to this,

The first part of my previous response to which you are referring to was a response to what you had posted in reference to the topic of thread.

The second part - notice it was several spaces down from the first part - I stated my opinion and advice in general for all hearing parents in reference to the topic of thread.

This is a general statement again: The misunderstanding that everything that is advised or 'voiced' on this forum by Deaf posters is a targetted, isolating scud to ONE individual case, person or family seems to be a common trait among hearies. That's where you have a totally different perspective. You may have knowledge of Deaf culture, you may even use the language but you don't know how to apply it or perceive it the way deaf do.

 

[Miss-Delectable]

Excuse me a moment while I go off topic but you gave me something to think about.

In Australia, your sign language is AUSLAN, correct? Since your country is English speaking, are deaf students in "mainstreamed" schools taught SEE or an Australian equivalent sign system?

And going even further off topic (or maybe not) do other countries have this same kind of controversy? Do they have a native sign language vs. invented sign system controversy in their schools? Or is it purely an American problem?

The controversy over SEE and Auslan has been diminished vastly and I think it's no longer an issue, at least it isn't in my state. Now most mainstreamed schools with deaf program uses Auslan or Oral. There's only one private girl school that still uses SEE to this day. SEE is an old story for the deaf community over here. Auslan is an accepted language. In short, SEE is basically a dead issue.

I was first taught SEE then Auslan and started using Auslan once my school invested deeply into Auslan training. Many staff have had to be formally trained in Auslan in order to get rid of SEE.

I suppose the SEE controversy is an American issue now.

Hope that explains everything, Reba.

PS: BecLak, I don't recall having told you to stay away from controversial issues? Anyway, have fun speaking up.

 

[BecLak]

The controversy over SEE and Auslan has been diminished vastly and I think it's no longer an issue, at least it isn't in my state. Now most mainstreamed schools with deaf program uses Auslan or Oral. There's only one private girl school that still uses SEE to this day. SEE is an old story for the deaf community over here. Auslan is an accepted language. In short, SEE is basically a dead issue.

I was first taught SEE then Auslan and started using Auslan once my school invested deeply into Auslan training. Many staff have had to be formally trained in Auslan in order to get rid of SEE.

I suppose the SEE controversy is an American issue now.

Hope that explains everything, Reba.

PS: BecLak, I don't recall having told you to stay away from controversial issues? Anyway, have fun speaking up.

Hi Miss D! Thanks for filling in the gaps on the Aussie side. The controversial issues? That no you didn't. No worries. I'm just warming up...

 

[jillio]

Excuse me a moment while I go off topic but you gave me something to think about.

In Australia, your sign language is AUSLAN, correct? Since your country is English speaking, are deaf students in "mainstreamed" schools taught SEE or an Australian equivalent sign system?

And going even further off topic (or maybe not) do other countries have this same kind of controversy? Do they have a native sign language vs. invented sign system controversy in their schools? Or is it purely an American problem?

To my knowledge, deaf education in other countries that actually have deaf ed programs....let's use Sweden as an example...do not manually code their spoken language. They teach the counties native spoken language in written form, just as bi-bi here proposes to do. I believe France has a version of CS that was once used for educational purposes, but it was rarely used, and even more rare to see it used today. The problem with MCEs appears to an American one.

 

[jillio]

The controversy over SEE and Auslan has been diminished vastly and I think it's no longer an issue, at least it isn't in my state. Now most mainstreamed schools with deaf program uses Auslan or Oral. There's only one private girl school that still uses SEE to this day. SEE is an old story for the deaf community over here. Auslan is an accepted language. In short, SEE is basically a dead issue.

I was first taught SEE then Auslan and started using Auslan once my school invested deeply into Auslan training. Many staff have had to be formally trained in Auslan in order to get rid of SEE.

I suppose the SEE controversy is an American issue now.

Hope that explains everything, Reba.

PS: BecLak, I don't recall having told you to stay away from controversial issues? Anyway, have fun speaking up.

For many years, it was no longer a controversy here. Then more children began to be implanted, and BANG! Here come all of the old controversies that were put to rest. And they say that CI doesn't contribute to audism! Like I have said before...history repeating itself.

 

[jillio]

Just noticing that the most vocal of the SEE supporters have not even bothered to access and discuss the research made available to them.

 

[GrendelQ]

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Just noticing that the most vocal of the SEE supporters have not even bothered to access and discuss the research made available to them.

Nonsense. The op states clearly that he or she has done a great deal of research. I haven't seen others yet who have spoken up as proponents, so don't know where your stats of who has done research and who hasn't are coming from.

 

[jillio]

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Nonsense. The op states clearly that he or she has done a great deal of research. I haven't seen others yet who have spoken up as proponents, so don't know where your stats of who has done research and who hasn't are coming from.

Because the last two links I posted to recent research have not been accessed nor discussed. Why is that?