San Francisco Circumcision Ban

Banjo said:
It's not the same. You see, infants cannot consent nor choose it. Adults make choices and they may reap the consequences for it later in life.
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So you're for taking away parental rights?

Yiz
 
Banjo said:
Well, it seems to have done something to your ability to think rationally.



Well, you brought it up. If you don't want to hear about it, then don't bring it up.
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1st quote - How?

2nd quote - I'm brought up the news about anti-circumcision bill in SF and I don't expect to turn into vs. so supposed to be in debate section. It is not new because I had seen a lot of debate over circumcision in other forum and it is getting ugly.
 
yizuman said:
So you're for taking away parental rights?

Yiz
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When it comes to genital mutilation, yes. Especially when thousands of them end up without a penis, or a seriously damaged one on a yearly basis in the USA.
 
Banjo said:
When it comes to genital mutilation, yes. Especially when thousands of them end up without a penis, or a seriously damaged one on a yearly basis in the USA.
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Yiz
 
Banjo said:
Eh?
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then I shouldn't tell about I'm circumcised or not on public forum since you have no respect for me but kept arguing about whichever is factual or not.

It is our choice (included my parent), not you and circumcision isn't reversible, it is final so cannot put foreskin back on it. I'm accept with that and having a happy life at most of time.
 
Foxrac said:
then I shouldn't tell about I'm circumcised or not on public forum since you have no respect for me but kept arguing about whichever is factual or not.

It is our choice (included my parent), not you and circumcision isn't reversible, it is final so cannot put foreskin back on it. I'm accept with that and having a happy life at most of time.
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Yiz
 
Banjo said:
When it comes to genital mutilation, yes. Especially when thousands of them end up without a penis, or a seriously damaged one on a yearly basis in the USA.
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Neonatal circumcision in the U.S. is a safe procedure; however, it is not without risk. In a study of 130,475 newborns identified in the Washington State Comprehensive Hospital Abstract Reporting System (1987–1996) as circumcised during their birth hospital stay, 0.18% had a bleeding complication, 0.04% had a complication coded as “injury,” and 0.0006% had penile cellulitis diagnosed before discharge.41 In a trade-off analysis based on observed complication rates and published studies of the effect of circumcision on rates of UTIs (urinary tract infection) in the first year of life and lifetime risk of penile cancer, the investigators calculated that a complication might be expected in one out of every 476 circumcisions, that six UTIs can be prevented for every complication endured, and nearly two complications would be expected for every case of penile cancer prevented.

An analysis was conducted of 136,086 boys born in U.S. Army hospitals from 1980 to 1985 with a medical record review for indexed complications related to circumcision status during the first month of life.42 For 100,157 circumcised boys, 193 (0.19%) complications occurred. The frequencies of UTI (p<0.0001) and bacteremia (p<0.0002) were significantly higher in the uncircumcised boys than among those circumcised. In neither study were any circumcision-related deaths or losses of the glans or entire penis reported.
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Male Circumcision in the United States for the Prevention of HIV Infection and Other Adverse Health Outcomes: Report from a CDC Consultation
 
Despite about being heavily opposition on between me and kokonut in rest of this forum.

I have say thanks to kokonut for provide a source about circumcision.

Wikipedia has a lot of information about circumcision, including citation below and google up whatever you want to know about pros and cons.

Obviously, none of them are factual by de facto but some people could say it is fact or not, even I don't consider as fact.

Yizuman is correct about religious to be come so first.
 
yizuman said:
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Yiz
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THYMOS: Journal of Boyhood Studies, Vol. 4, No. 1, Spring 2010, 78-90

LOST BOYS: AN ESTIMATE OF U.S. CIRCUMCISION-RELATED INFANT DEATHS

- Dan Bollinger

Abstract: Baby boys can and do succumb as a result of having their foreskin removed. Circumcision-related mortality rates are not known with certainty; this study estimates the scale of this problem. This study finds that approximately 117 neonatal circumcision-related deaths (9.01/100,000) occur annually in the United States, about 1.3% of male neonatal deaths from all causes. Because infant circumcision is elective, all of these deaths are avoidable. This study also identifies reasons why accurate data on these deaths are not available, some of the obstacles to preventing these deaths, and some solutions to overcome them.
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Enough said.
 
Foxrac said:
Despite about being heavily opposition on between me and kokonut in rest of this forum.

I have say thanks to kokonut for provide a source about circumcision.

Wikipedia has a lot of information about circumcision, including citation below and google up whatever you want to know about pros and cons.

Obviously, none of them are factual by de facto but some people could say it is fact or not, even I don't consider as fact.

Yizuman is correct about religious to be come so first.
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Honour killing should be allowed then. After all, religious rights come first.
 
Foxrac said:
then I shouldn't tell about I'm circumcised or not on public forum since you have no respect for me but kept arguing about whichever is factual or not.

It is our choice (included my parent), not you and circumcision isn't reversible, it is final so cannot put foreskin back on it. I'm accept with that and having a happy life at most of time.
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Actually, it wasn't your choice. Your parents made the choice. You were only an infant, how would you be able to consent to it?
 
Foxrac said:
Despite about being heavily opposition on between me and kokonut in rest of this forum.

I have say thanks to kokonut for provide a source about circumcision.

Wikipedia has a lot of information about circumcision, including citation below and google up whatever you want to know about pros and cons.

Obviously, none of them are factual by de facto but some people could say it is fact or not, even I don't consider as fact.

Yizuman is correct about religious to be come so first.
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Yeppa, when it comes to the religious factions and opposition, the bill won't past muster by them. The bill will die on the floor before it can ever be voted on. I do believe the majority of the Legislators will recognize that they will not win against religion.

Yiz
 
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