Richard Matt And David Sweat, Convicted Murderers, Escape From New York Prison

What is the benefit to crossing into Canada for them? Will they be trekking into the wilderness to hide indefinitely? Or would it be a temporary stop on the way to another destination? What's your guess?

The only benifet i see ie the proximity of the border to where they broke out..
i woud think it would be temporary, its w huge country though, they coukd of been across the border in less then an hour with help,
If they are smart they will if they or one are here lay low for s few years,camp, cottage what ever...then when theyre apperence is chsnged enough head out...
What seems clesr. Is
This wasnt a run For it on impulse.
They know breaking out is the easy pArt stsying out...is the kicker.
And it looks like they have planned for it, so they can stay out.
If
They even came.this way....that is
 
hoichi, I agree that murder alone is not evil.

whatdidyousay, the reason they don't have cameras on every single prisoner every single second of the day is that it's impossible to do that. They would have to have one person watching that prisoner. They'd need at least two people a day per prisoner to do that. Multiply that by the millions who are in prison or jail and you have twice as many millions of people needed to do that work. Add in the cost of the cameras and setting up places for these millions of people to work and you're blowing a ton of money for the very rare cases of people managing to escape. I
 
To them, its NOTHING... You forgot they got NOTHING to lose. They are there for LIFE.

Say, you are 35 years old, and you got life sentence plus say 100 years, okay so you escape, that would cause your years increase to 120 years, would that make any difference to you? The chances are, you will laugh.

When one has life sentence, they have nothing more to lose really. Adding more years is pretty much like a joke.

all for more reason why they should have been swiftly executed.
 
nope, so far they haven't killed anyone.

BUT, still if they are stupid enough, they could get killed while on run. If somebody shoots them (convicted felon on lam), they will get away with it and I won't have issue with it.

Jiro, thanks for proving how inept these justice employees are, they can't keep collar on dangerous people which proves they are not perfect, how do we trust them doing the job when it comes to justice and death penalty? Since they can't keep the collar, how do we know they did right job with RIGHT person when it comes to death penalty? Thanks for proving my point.

EDIT: I had some thoughts on this, and this drama is replica of The Shawshank, don't you know Drufus in Shawshank was convicted of murder his girlfriend, had all evidences in court which was corrupted. He lost his girlfriend and got convicted of a crime he didn't commit. Warden heard that the real person who murdered Drufus's girlfriend, decided dismissed that, and killed the guy that knew the truth. Anyway, he escaped just like these two scumbags.

Court conviction isn't always accurate as you may wish, since there are chances of corruptions in legal system, we can't allow the afford of death penalty go forward. If the court system were 100% accurate, then yes I agree (Death penalty) but the accuracy of 100% hasn't reached so sorry, nope.

all for more reason why they should have been swiftly executed.
 
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nope, so far they haven't killed anyone.

BUT, still if they are stupid enough, they could get killed while on run. If somebody shoots them (convicted felon on lam), they will get away with it and I won't have issue with it.

Jiro, thanks for proving how inept these justice employees are, they can't keep collar on dangerous people which proves they are not perfect, how do we trust them doing the job when it comes to justice and death penalty? Since they can't keep the collar, how do we know they did right job with RIGHT person when it comes to death penalty? Thanks for proving my point.

They 're Two convicted murderers . They had killed people .
 
One of the killers' hometown is where I live. I hope they do not come here.
 
Know of a Lady that was single, early 40's...never married...She started being a "Pen Pal" with prisoners incarnated....Within months, he asked her to marry him, and she did....:lol:...he was serving 15 years I believe (drugs and other offenses)...Her family begged her not to marry him, but she did saying "he's changed"....To make the story shorter, after 1 year of domestic abuse and drugs, she finally left him, after finding him in a motel room with an 18 year old shooting up heroin....

I'd be skeptical of doing something like she did! Luckily, she has a good job at Mayo Clinic, she's highly intelligent...but don't know what happened to her common sense....So guessing too, low self-esteem and desperation had a hand in her making some very bad choices.
 
Know of a Lady that was single, early 40's...never married...She started being a "Pen Pal" with prisoners incarnated....Within months, he asked her to marry him, and she did....:lol:...he was serving 15 years I believe (drugs and other offenses)...Her family begged her not to marry him, but she did saying "he's changed"....To make the story shorter, after 1 year of domestic abuse and drugs, she finally left him, after finding him in a motel room with an 18 year old shooting up heroin....

I'd be skeptical of doing something like she did! Luckily, she has a good job at Mayo Clinic, she's highly intelligent...but don't know what happened to her common sense....So guessing too, low self-esteem and desperation had a hand in her making some very bad choices.

Oh my, glad she got out of that with her life!!
 
Oh my, glad she got out of that with her life!!

Yep!...She told her sister that she was scared of him, big time! And he totally had her brain washed, totally convinced that he was rehabilitated....:roll:..I could never grasp what she saw in him, as they totally looked so different...but guessing too...maybe he was "well endowed"....:giggle:
 
Then does this mean men that are "well endowed " are more likely to be abused .:hmm:



I saw on my local news that the polices are worried the 2 convicted will hijack a car or hold a family hostage to get more money to buy weapons
and kill the whole family . The polices and FBI needs to find these monsters fast!
 
Then does this mean men that are "well endowed " are more likely to be abused .:hmm:

To be an abuser? Not necessarily. I don't think it matters what size their "endowment" is for them to abuse(any kind- physical, mental, emotional), kill, rape etc.

I'm sure it doesn't matter what their "size" is either to be abused
 
To be an abuser? Not necessarily. I don't think it matters what size their "endowment" is for them to abuse(any kind- physical, mental, emotional), kill, rape etc.

I'm sure it doesn't matter what their "size" is either to be abused

:lol:
 
They 're Two convicted murderers . They had killed people .

First, who convicts them as murders? Thats Jury, who are these jurors? They are just average human beings, right?

Secondly, of these Jurors whom them voted on three possible verdicts, they decide Not guilty, Guilty, OR "Hung Jury", is there any possibility of favoritism, biased, "Winking eyes" happens during their deliberations?

Third, have the suspect barred from collecting evidences to prove their innocence? (Bail denied, or unable to bail out that prevents them from trying to collect evidences are one of examples)

Forth, the prosecutor or DA is human being, right? Since they are human beings, have they done their job with prejudice? Have they hide evidences that might otherwise could have prove innocent. Have they failed upheld their integrity at 100%?

Fifth, the Judge of the law is a human being, right? So, have these Judges failed uphold their integrity at 100%? Sometimes the Judge have barred any evidences that might otherwise prove innocence?

Sixth, of these law enforcement agencies, forensic scientist, etc, they are human beings, right? Have they failed their job with integrity? Have they withheld these evidences that might otherwise have proven innocence of the charged suspect?

You see, multiple people involved, it does increase the likelihood of investigation being corrupted because all of them are just human beings. How do you trust them doing their job decide whether one should be executed? If they can do their job without killing even ONE innocent, sure no problem BUT are they?

Of these 6 issues above, if they were answered yes, then why allow them "We, the people" kill innocent? What if that innocent is YOU and you knew you didn't commit crime, where is your right to defend your own innocent? Think about it!

After experience false accusations by few people against me, witness people that I know went though, I see everything differently.

So, I am sorry, I do NOT support death penalty.
 
I want all murderers to be executed, period.

Most of them are hardly innocent and we have DNA today.
 
Matt:

. . . "These are dangerous men capable of committing grave crimes again," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said.

Matt, 48, was sentenced to 25 years to life in 2008 for killing the businessman. He had already escaped from prison once, in 1986, and at his trial a generation later he was considered so dangerous that police snipers were posted on the courthouse roof.

"There's no doubt that if he got out, he'd do something," a juror at the murder trial told The Buffalo News after the verdict.

The victim was a food broker named William Rickerson who had hired and then fired Matt.

On Dec. 4, 1997, according to the trial testimony of an accomplice, Matt beat Rickerson with a knife sharpener, bound him with duct tape, tossed him in the trunk of a car, and then drove around for 27 hours looking for a place to kill and bury him.

At one stop on the drive, Matt opened the trunk, broke four of Rickerson's fingers, hit him in the chest with a steering wheel locking device, then shut the trunk and kept driving.

The accomplice testified that Matt had him turn down a cul-de-sac, stop the car and open the trunk again. He said Matt told him: "You know, I've had enough of this."

He said Matt reached in and twisted Rickerson's head. "I heard a pop," the accomplice testified, and the businessman "just dropped back in the trunk." Matt cut off the arms and legs with a hacksaw, authorities said.

A fisherman discovered the torso in the Niagara River.

Matt fled to Mexico after the killing and was arrested for stabbing an American to death outside a bar in a robbery attempt. He was returned to the United States to face trial in Rickerson's killing....

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ted-murderers-who-escaped-prison-have-n371546
 
Sweat:

Sweat, 34, pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and was sentenced to life without parole in the shooting death of Kevin Tarsia, a sheriff's deputy in Broome County, New York, on July 4, 2002.

Investigators said that he and two other men stole a pickup truck in Pennsylvania, broke into a fireworks and gun store and stole a dozen handguns and rifles.

They drove across the state line to New York to move the weapons from a pickup truck to a car. They shot Tarsia when he confronted them there.

Authorities described Sweat as 5 feet 11 inches and 165 pounds, brown hair and green eyes, with tattoos on his left bicep and right fingers.

Steven Tarsia, a brother of the slain deputy, told The Associated Press that news of the escape "turns your world upside-down all over again." He said that just recently, he realized he couldn't remember the names of the men who killed his brother.

"All of a sudden, I remember them again," he said.

Sweat was sentenced in September 2003 along with one of the accomplices, Jeffrey A. Nabinger Jr. The judge said that day: "In cold blood, they killed a loving man. They took the joy of his life for what? They condemned a family to live in anguish."

A public defender said at the time that Sweat was "not born to be here." He had been convicted at 17 of attempted burglary and served a year and a half in prison, and authorities said he had been involved in selling marijuana and stealing guns and cars.

The judge, Patrick Mathews, said he did not accept that society was at fault in any way.

The deputy's fiancée, Christi-Ann Ciccone, said at the sentencing that Sweat and Nabinger Jr. did not deserve to live.

"These are not people," she said. "These are monsters."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ted-murderers-who-escaped-prison-have-n371546
 
I didn't know DNA has eyes, and have the ability to prove that one commits crime every time... Yeah right!



I want all murderers to be executed, period.

Most of them are hardly innocent and we have DNA today.
 
More on Matt:

Matt was serving 25 years to life for the 1997 torture murder of North Tonawanda businessman William Rickerson. While on the lam, he killed a man in a barroom brawl in Mexico. In the early 1990s, he was involved in a murder-for-hire plot and escaped from the Erie County Correctional Facility in Alden.

Here are stories from The Buffalo News archives about Richard Matt:

2011: Security issues aired in Matt's bid for new trial in murder
http://www.buffalonews.com/Security_issues_aired_in_hearing_on_new_murder_trial.html

2008: Sheriff acts fast to send killer Matt to prison right after sentencing
http://www.buffalonews.com/Sheriff_...tt_sent_to_prison_right_after_sentencing.html

2008: Portrait of Richard Matt's troubled life of crime
http://www.buffalonews.com/Killer_took_tortured_trail_in_savage_life.html

2008: Accomplice testifies about torture, murder of businessman who had fired Matt
http://live.buffalonews.com/2015/06...fugitive-richard-matts-long-criminal-history/

2007: Suspect in grisly 1997 slaying brought back for trial
http://www.buffalonews.com/Suspect_...ck_after_his_release_from_Mexican_prison.html

1998: Tonawandan a suspect in slaying of businessman
http://www.buffalonews.com/TONAWANDAN_SUSPECTED_IN_KIDNAP-SLAYING_OF_MAN.html

1993: Man who helped foil murder-for-hire plot gets prison in unrelated rape, stabbing
http://www.buffalonews.com/MURDER-P...STAR_IS_SENTENCED_IN_RAPE_STABBING_CASES.html

1992: WNY man seen as key to probe of California murder-for-hire plot
http://www.buffalonews.com/WNY_MAN_...WAS_HIRED_TO_KILL_4_PEOPLE_OFFICIALS_SAY.html


http://live.buffalonews.com/2015/06...fugitive-richard-matts-long-criminal-history/
 
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