Returning soldiers struggle to find therapists

[Liebling:-)))]

I don't support war, but I support the troops that need to be home safe from the war and have fair treatment for their lives.

I met a guy that has a home but he's a war veteran and he knows some sign language. He cannot afford food so we gave him some food we don't need, so he won't be hungry. That's one example that veterans don't get much money to keep up with the cost of living.

wow, you met them in real life... I can image it's really sad to see them like this. It's good to know that you support them with some foods...

I saw on TV document about homeless veterans. The reporters went to them and have interview with them... sad stories...

 

[Reba]

But the rumors here that the government want to have draft return....

We're dealing with facts in this thread, not rumors. The fact is no American soldiers have been drafted into the armed forces since 1973.

As I was told that that they sign the contract voluntarily because they thought they only doing to defend our countries, training, etc. that's not what they thought is sent them to Iraq... They feel being betray by government's lie. Many US soliders want to get out of Iraq war but they have to stick until their contract is end...

So the soldiers enlisting in the military after the war in Iraq began didn't realize that they might have to go over there? Anyone who sign up in the past four years knew we were at war with Iraq.

Some of US soliders went to court against contract but they lost their rights.

No, they didn't lose their rights. They lost their case. They exercised their rights when they went to court.

 

[Reba]

I would love to hear one of your soldier's comments here, why not you ask him to register here.

Good idea.

 

[jazzy]

Listen here people....I am currently in the U.S. Navy, yes we are involved with the war too, not just the army and marines. More than you probably know. We also have people on the ground in iraq. I am very good friends with felixkat930, and she let me know what kind of things people are saying on here, which made me incredibly angry. I can't believe the disrespect you people are giving to the people who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country. You all blame the soldiers for so many things, but you have to remember that its not exactly their choice. They are all doing what they are told, not because they want to do it. Do you really think that they would be in Iraq if they had the choice? NO! If your gonna blame anybody, blame the president! And if you have anything else to say, then come and talk to me, I'm sure I will have a great answer for you..

I don't get it. U assume we All blame soldiers for so many things? U don't think u understand us really, those soldiers would be our neighbors, friends, family members that we all live with everyday and we all do care about them and want to help them. U don't understand how much our government damaged our country esp with our soldiers who came home from wars and no one help them enough. I already knew it would come to this before our country invaded Iraq and it would ended up alike Vietnam war, go on and on for many more years. Yes I know navy do get involves in Iraq war becasue one of my son's friend who is in navy and was send to Iraq. His job was not bad as my next door's boy who grew up with my son, He is going thru PSTD right now and he is very angry man. He got hurt in Iraq and was send home. His father does not want him to go back to Iraq in Jan 2008, with his mental statue. Yes I do blame Prez Bush for this whole thing. He lives in high place and does not have to deal with us in reality as we all have to live with our men and women who suffered greatly. We are the one who have to help them because we all live in neighborhood.

 

[Reba]

Listen here people....I am currently in the U.S. Navy, yes we are involved with the war too, not just the army and marines. More than you probably know. We also have people on the ground in iraq.

Absolutely. The Army gets more press coverage, and with the Navy people dressing out for combat the same as the Army, their presence is harder to spot. But the Navy is definitely in the thick of things.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We're dealing with facts in this thread, not rumors. The fact is no American soldiers have been drafted into the armed forces since 1973.

For your information, I am not saying that the rumors is true but I am allow to share what I know from those rumors.

So the soldiers enlisting in the military after the war in Iraq began didn't realize that they might have to go over there? Anyone who sign up in the past four years knew we were at war with Iraq.

It's really sad... Depend on difference contracts what and where they should sign to. No they didn't know that they should sent to Iraq war.

Accord my co-worker, that Iraq war is not a general war, but illegal war.

No, they didn't lose their rights. They lost their case. They exercised their rights when they went to court.

Yes they lost their case, also their rights as well.

 

[Reba]

Ah, I recalled a movie called "A Few Men." The movie was good. I bet that you are the honest sailor as the best service in the world. By the way, it makes me sick that some male soldiers who harass female soldiers at the training. You know the rest of the story.

Unfortunately, harassment and assault still happen. In general, attitudes have improved but some bad things still happen. That's a reflection of our present society.

When I joined the Navy in 1970, the attitude of even some senior male officers was that women joined the military for only one of three reasons:

1. she's looking for a husband

2. she's a lesbian

3. she's a sex maniac


They didn't consider those of us who enlisted for reasons of education, training, travel, discipline, leadership, or yes, surprise, even patriotism.

Personally, I don't agree with the path the military has taken of mixing men and women in military situations as though sex didn't matter at all. But that's a whole other thread.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Opal
I would love to hear one of your soldier's comments here, why not you ask him to register here.

Good idea.

Opal suggest me to ask one of my co-workers to register here. I thought I would be glad to ask one of my co-workers or ask them to provide me some links because I don't feel want to burden them until I saw your post here... I wasn't realized that you both don't want to beleive me and want to get the proof from me is get my co-worker to register here... I am very disappoint to know that you both only test me for my honest and want proof. It put me off great... It shows no trust ...

Thank you very much... and don't care what you think I am a liar or not.

 

[Reba]

For your information, I am not saying that the rumors is true but I am allow to share what I know from those rumors.

I posted: "None of them were drafted."

You responded: "Really?"

That sure seems like you doubted the truth of my statement about the draft.

It's really sad... Depend on difference contracts what and where they should sign to. No they didn't know that they should sent to Iraq war.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that a person enlisting in the U.S. military during the years since the war began didn't realize that they might need to go to that war?

Accord my co-worker, that Iraq war is not a general war, but illegal war.

Your co-worker is a lawyer, or what? What is your co-worker's definition of a "general" war? The Iraqi war is "illegal" to whom, and under what statutes?

Yes they lost their case, also their rights as well.

I guess you don't understand the American legal system.

They had the right to contest their contracts. They went thru the legal process, and the case was decided against them.

People have the right to present their cases. There is no "right" to always win the case.

 

[Reba]

Opal suggest me to ask one of my co-workers to register here. I thought I would be glad to ask one of my co-workers or ask them to provide me some links because I don't feel want to burden them until I saw your post here... I wasn't realized that you both don't want to beleive me and want to get the proof from me is get my co-worker to register here... I am very disappoint to know that you both only test me for my honest and want proof. It put me off great... It shows no trust ...

Thank you very much... and don't care what you think I am a liar or not.

I don't know why you are so paranoid and self-centered. Not every post is an "all about me" post. It doesn't bother me when people require supporting proof of my posts. I'm happy to oblige whenever I can. It's not a big deal.

We just thought it would be interesting to read the full viewpoints from currently enlisted military people, the people who are most directly involved with the war. If they posted directly, we could chat back and forth with them.

It's not a requirement; just a request.

 

[Foxrac]

Many Republicans are the ones who cannot change it. Some of them really love George Bush. He has no feelings for them. All he was to grin at the people. (We have seen him like that on the television.)

It will going to be extremely tighten up after Bush term is end on Jan 20, 2009 and growing more democrats on seat, also increase more aggressive to stop the war, that is my views for future.

Republicans are messed up right now, blah...

 

[Gemma]

I feel very sad for the soliders and their families... Why they have to die for nothing...

I hear your perspective that they die for nothing but actually they are dying in process of spreading democracy but yes I dont believe in Bush's tactics - he could have found a better way of handling this.

My heart and support goes out to all military people there - I just wish that Bush would have a better idea of solving this issue without having more young men or women dying in the process.

 

[akoutsourais]

But the rumors here that the government want to have draft return... Many Americans are against it.

As I was told that that they sign the contract voluntarily because they thought they only doing to defend our countries, training, etc. that's not what they thought is sent them to Iraq... They feel being betray by government's lie. Many US soliders want to get out of Iraq war but they have to stick until their contract is end... Some of US soliders went to court against contract but they lost their rights.

The rumors aren't true. Some liberals want the draft back, thinking that it will stop the war. Republicans and most Dems do not want the draft. I don't want a draft as I know it will still be mostly poor kids dying, only this time they were forced to do so.

 

[akoutsourais]

We're dealing with facts in this thread, not rumors. The fact is no American soldiers have been drafted into the armed forces since 1973.



So the soldiers enlisting in the military after the war in Iraq began didn't realize that they might have to go over there? Anyone who sign up in the past four years knew we were at war with Iraq.



No, they didn't lose their rights. They lost their case. They exercised their rights when they went to court.

Ok, come one. I've been watching the Benderman case. Being tried in the Military is much harder on the Defendent that being tried in a civilian case (which I think is biased towards the prosecution in most cases also). Please don't act like everything is so black and white.

 

[webexplorer]

A few years ago, Michael Moore said that many Congress families "hide" their adult-children not to send them to Iraq. Even, it is same for Bush/Dick's adult-children. I did not realized that.

 

[Reba]

A few years ago, Michael Moore said that many Congress families "hide" their adult-children not to send them to Iraq. Even, it is same for Bush/Dick's adult-children. I did not realized that.

Please explain. Do you mean they are preventing their children from joining the military? Or do you mean their adult children who are already in the military are being kept from combat service in Iraq? What exactly do you mean they are "hiding" their adult children?

 

[akoutsourais]

It will going to be extremely tighten up after Bush term is end on Jan 20, 2009 and growing more democrats on seat, also increase more aggressive to stop the war, that is my views for future.

Republicans are messed up right now, blah...

Don't be so sure. Dems are losing their base right now also. I was going to try this whole "one can change anything by voting" thing again after the last elections. Sadly the Dems, most of them anyway, still showed me that they are going to keep bending over for republicans. Bush is at his lowest approval rate ever, republicans are losing their base daily, Americans are now at least 60% against this war, but dems keep saying "gotta stay moderate, don't make waves, our corporate masters might get pissed". I see it constantly in my activist social network. Dems who are getting pissed, finally deciding it's no longer enough to vote, because even when the Dems take over they won't even TRY to change.

I understand they have a very slim majority. But they aren't even trying....at least that's what it looks to me.

 

[akoutsourais]

I hear your perspective that they die for nothing but actually they are dying in process of spreading democracy but yes I dont believe in Bush's tactics - he could have found a better way of handling this.

My heart and support goes out to all military people there - I just wish that Bush would have a better idea of solving this issue without having more young men or women dying in the process.

Can I ask how Iraq is anything resembling a democracy? Because they have purple fingers? hahaha Voting isn't the only part in a democracy.

Yes maybe they will have it, but it's going to have to get ugly first. It will be even uglier if we keep occupying Iraq. It really makes no sense how one can say democracy can be spread with the point of a gun.

Again I don't feel the spread of demcracy is worth one single American life. I don't think it's worth one single Iraq life at the hands of a soldier. If Iraqis wanted demcracy they would have fought for it themselves.

We don't spread democracy. We spread corporatism. And God help any leader of another country who gets in the way of that.

 

[akoutsourais]

Please explain. Do you mean they are preventing their children from joining the military? Or do you mean their adult children who are already in the military are being kept from combat service in Iraq? What exactly do you mean they are "hiding" their adult children?

Is there any difference? Bush was placed in a unit that was known for priveldge kids who didn't want to go.

It's neither here nor there. I would do the same thing if I could, difference is I wouldn't be supporting the war while doing it. There I've said my opinion on this part from Election 2004. It didn't matter to America then and it doesn't matter to me now.

 

[webexplorer]

I totally support our troops and the mission they are engaged in. I fully agree that both sides of the story are NOT being presented in the press.

My troops are getting killed everyday. A large number of soldiers were sent to several hospitals in Germany and other part of Europe. It is not in the newspapers. They deserve to go home and stay with their family. They are part of my American families. It is more important for us to protect our country. Why don't you ask your injured soldier-friends where they stayed in the hospital? You will be surprised.

Many terrorists are not afraid to be killed because of their blessing God so that they could go to the heaven. They are really sick mind.