'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

Jiro said:
not really.

it's the case of obfuscation and backpedaling. In both cases - both requires license to operate and/or own.... both kills people - accidentally or intentionally. both can be licensed and not own what they're licensed for. both are in top 10 leading causes of death.

apple and oranges? only for people who need a convenient excuse to get out of a jam.
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Aren't there reasons to have a driver's license without driving, such as identification purposes? What would be the reason for having gun permits, CCW, etc without guns? Just curious.
 
Jiro said:
not really.

it's the case of obfuscation and backpedaling. In both cases - both requires license to operate and/or own.... both kills people - accidentally or intentionally. both can be licensed and not own what they're licensed for. both are in top 10 leading causes of death.

apple and oranges? only for people who need a convenient excuse to get out of a jam.
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No, it is a case of using strawmen to bring in irrelevent points.
 
Jiro said:
ah.... so by asking me that - you do believe in gun ban law?
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I've already answered your question. Now answer mine. But it appears that you have no interest in a logical and intelligent discussion. These games are really getting old.
 
Jiro said:
then you do believe self-defense is a violent crime?
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Where did I say that? You consider the robbery of $4 to be a crime worthy of death? Our justice system certainly would not agree with you.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Aren't there reasons to have a driver's license without driving, such as identification purposes? What would be the reason for having gun permits, CCW, etc without guns? Just curious.
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See Reba's Post #698

and many New Yorkers have driver license but do not own a car. Why? I don't know but with driver license, they can rent a car like Zip Car.
 
jillio said:
And the loss of $4 is justification for shooting?

You might want to study the law.
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I don't think even a hundred dollars is worth killing over. Now if it's a grand, I will start shooting... maybe.
 
jillio said:
Where did I say that?
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right here -
jillio said:
Thanks for supporting my point.:ty:
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jillio said:
You consider the robbery of $4 to be a crime worthy of death?
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Again - you do not know that beforehand.

jillio said:
Our justice system certainly would not agree with you.
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but..... 46 states have Castle Doctrine.... and 50 states have Self-Defense laws..... which mean it's justified.

Please find me a case where justice system would not agree with justified self-defense over something trivial like $4 in case of crime.
 
jillio said:
Yep. Because we are talking about statistics regarding injuries and death. Someone who doesn't own a gun is not included in the numbers.
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A person doesn't need to own the gun that he carries.
 
Jiro said:
Prior to CCW permit, firearm license is needed.

Again - I've repeatedly said that CCW permit is optional.
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Your argument about people having driver's license with no car...you said one reason might be that they can rent a car with it. So, if you want that to apply to CCW, you will have to show that people who have a CCW without a gun could also rent a gun with their CCW. Otherwise, your whole foundation of your argument drops out. That is why the car issue is a strawman.
 
deafskeptic said:
I don't think even a hundred dollars is worth killing over. Now if it's a grand, I will start shooting... maybe.
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Start shooting? then does that mean you are going to pack a heat if you are carrying $1,000+?

You have a choice to carry a CCW and you have a choice to exercise that rights if you are being robbed - whatever the amount it is.
 
Reba said:
A person doesn't need to own the gun that he carries.
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How many CCWs carry other people's guns? Generally, they would be the ones who are in a dangerous situation as the result of job duties. I have already said that I have no problem with people having CCWs when they need and need can be supported. I have trouble with CCWs being abused by people that are never in a dangerous situation, or could use other measures, carrying one.
 
Jiro said:
Start shooting? then does that mean you are going to pack a heat if you are carrying $1,000+?

You have a choice to carry a CCW and you have a choice to exercise that rights if you are being robbed - whatever the amount it is.
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How about if the robber approaches you from behind, you are surprised, and he has you on your back with his foot on your throat before you have the time to even know that you are in danger? Concealed weapon isn't going to do you much good. You didn't have the opportunity to even un-conceal it. But chances are, he will rob you of that, too. Great...another thug with a gun.
 
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