'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

[jillio]

Jillio - do you believe deafskeptic should have rights to pack a heat for protection because of what she described in her post - carrying $$$$ or rape?

If the risk is there, she should have the opportunity to have a concealed weapon if she chooses. But I don't think that DS goes around carrying thousands of dollars on any regular basis, nor do I think she frequents places or allows herself to be in a situation where she is at great risk for stranger rape.

 

[Jiro]

And if I'm not mistaken, the last thing a pickpocket will want is a confrontation with his victim.

exactly. you speak of reality. what Jillio speaks of is deluded anti-gun fantasy.

 

[jillio]

exactly. you speak of reality. what Jillio speaks of is deluded anti-gun fantasy.

I wasn't talking about a pickpocket. I was talking about a strong armed robbery. You are the one that got confused and brought a pickpocket up.:roll:

 

[jillio]

whoa....... you surely are over-analyzing and over-predicting everything....

If a pickpocket is gone before I could react, then that's too bad. I'm not going to chase after him and start a'blazing away. That's just crazy and reckless.


um....... how? the only way he'll know is giving me a pat-down.... TSA style.

Right. He could never feel it there in the confrontation unless he did a pat down.:roll: Okay.

 

[deafskeptic]

If the risk is there, she should have the opportunity to have a concealed weapon if she chooses. But I don't think that DS goes around carrying thousands of dollars on any regular basis, nor do I think she frequents places or allows herself to be in a situation where she is at great risk for stranger rape.

, that's a good one.

 

[jillio]

And if I'm not mistaken, the last thing a pickpocket will want is a confrontation with his victim.

Bingo. They are sneak thiefs. The situation I posted obviously described a strong armed robbery. These strawmen! I hope they go back to where they came from after Halloween.

Not to mention which, if a guy after your wallet is unarmed, and you shoot him, you will be doing a lot more time in jail than he will.

 

[Jiro]

I wasn't talking about a pickpocket. I was talking about a strong armed robbery. You are the one that got confused and brought a pickpocket up.:roll:

wow.... could you have backpedaled a little more discreetly?

I guess deafskeptic is confused too.

And only a pickpocket would take it from you without overpowering you first. You wouldn't even realize it was gone until you reached for it. If he physically overpowers you, you don't think he is going to know you have a gun on your person? Come on.

Please tell me you're joking. Strong-armed robbery? really? in that post? :roll:

 

[deafskeptic]

Bingo. They are sneak thiefs. The situation I posted obviously described a strong armed robbery. These strawmen! I hope they go back to where they came from after Halloween.

Not to mention which, if a guy after your wallet is unarmed, and you shoot him, you will be doing a lot more time in jail than he will.

What are the odds that we will run into Micheal Meyers or Jason Voorhees?

 

[jillio]

wow.... could you have backpedaled a little more discreetly?

I guess deafskeptic is confused too.



Please tell me you're joking. Strong-armed robbery? really? in that post? :roll:

That wasn't a backpedal. It was pointing out where you had gotten trapped and tried to bring a strawman in to find your way out of the corner.

What do you call it when someone approaches you from behind, throws you to the ground, puts their foot on your neck, and tells you to give them your money? A pickpocket?

 

[jillio]

What are the odds that we will run into Micheal Meyers or Jason Voorhees?

Little to none.

 

[deafskeptic]

Little to none.

Guns dont' work with Jason anyway.

 

[Reba]

Can you rent a gun with a CCW permit?

I can in SC.

 

[Jiro]

Bingo. They are sneak thiefs. The situation I posted obviously described a strong armed robbery. These strawmen! I hope they go back to where they came from after Halloween.

Not to mention which, if a guy after your wallet is unarmed, and you shoot him, you will be doing a lot more time in jail than he will.

really?

Jogger Thomas Baker who shot dead 'unarmed' mugger released without charge | Mail Online

When Thomas Baker was confronted by two youths while out on a late night run he decided to defend himself.

Having been punched in the face and fearing his attacker was armed he pulled out a handgun from his pocket and shot dead the teenager who had hit him.

As the gun debate rages afresh across America in the wake of the Tuscon massacre, prosecutors in Florida have ruled Baker should not face any charges, even though 18-year-old Carlos Musteller did not have a weapon.

Citing the state's 'stand your ground' law they ruled the 28-year-old was entitled to protect himself.

Under the 2005 law people have the right to use deadly force as long as they 'reasonably believe' their life is in danger.

The controversial ruling will fuel the raging nationwide debate over firearms in the wake of the Tucson shooting.

Baker was out jogging alone after midnight near his home in Tampa, Florida, when he was confronted by Mustelier and a 16-year-old youth.

The teen told told police Mustelier decided he wanted to rob Baker, telling him: 'I'm going to bam him.. I'm gonna knock him out.'

Baker told investigators he was suddenly confronted by Mustelier who punched him in the face.

With his lip cut and suffering blurred vision he said he pulled out a handgun that was fitted with a laser sight and fired eight times

Mustelier was hit four times with hollow pointed bullets fired from the .45calibre weapon.

The 16-year-old told police he fled but remembers seeing Mustelier standing in the road with a red laser dot sight on his chest.

Baker, who had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, immediately called police after the shooting last November and stayed with the dying teen.

Later during a five-hour interview with police he said he feared Mustelier was armed.

He said he was carrying £500 in cash from fixing friends' cars and didn't want to lose the money.

Baker, who was out jogging to get fit before applying to join the military, said he always carried a handgun.

 

[Jiro]

That wasn't a backpedal. It was pointing out where you had gotten trapped and tried to bring a strawman in to find your way out of the corner.

What do you call it when someone approaches you from behind, throws you to the ground, puts their foot on your neck, and tells you to give them your money? A pickpocket?

deafskeptic - were you under impression that jillio was whole-fully talking about a pickpocket or pickpocket and strong-armed robber?

 

[Reba]

You don't need a gun on your person today, but tomorrow your situation is going to change so drastically that you have to be carrying one immediately? Unlikely.

Who are you to judge what another person's needs might be?

Did you read that I said it might take several weeks? I know some people have to wait months. A lot can happen during that time.

 

[Jiro]

If the risk is there, she should have the opportunity to have a concealed weapon if she chooses. But I don't think that DS goes around carrying thousands of dollars on any regular basis, nor do I think she frequents places or allows herself to be in a situation where she is at great risk for stranger rape.

DS could be having a cash-only business at her home so that means DS would need to make a regular trip to bank to make a regular deposit. but that's not important...

You believe that it's ok for her to carry a concealed gun if she's going to carry thousands of dollars or if she may be in situation where she may get raped.

So what scenarios would be ok for me to carry a concealed weapon?

 

[Jiro]

If I were a gun owner, I would prolly pack heat everytime I go out. However, I would not use guns every time I felt threatened. Shooting someone over 4 dollars would not be worth the legal issues unless I also was being raped at the same time. Nor would shooting someone over a hundred bucks be worth it.

Shooting someone over a grand would be worth it in some situations. That's a lot of money and it would mean the difference between my necessities and the street. My first reaction would be to get out of danger as soon as possible and leave unnoticed if possible. In short, I would keep keep the need to protect myself to a minimum.

I have always believed in resorting to violence as a last resort when all esle fails. I'd do my best to avoid known danger spots and take common sense precautions so I'm not likely to robbed. Of course, not all situations can be avoided and then you would need to defend yourself as a first resort and not as a last one.

fine by me! what you said in there is exactly what CCW holders' mindsets are like.

That's why you never heard in news about CCW holders getting trigger-happy or feeling like Charles Bronson.

That's why I fail to understand Jillio's reasoning with CCW.

 

[Reba]

If the risk is there, she should have the opportunity to have a concealed weapon if she chooses. But I don't think that DS goes around carrying thousands of dollars on any regular basis

People get robbed for a lot less than "thousands of dollars." Robbers don't take an inventory before they rob you.

nor do I think she frequents places or allows herself to be in a situation where she is at great risk for stranger rape.

Do you mean like college campuses? Walmart parking lots (day and night)? Jogging in a park or neighborhood? At home?

 

[naisho]

My dad got mugged in Lima, Peru one day walking back to his place by two male assailants. They were teenagers too. In one pocket, he had $30 Peruvian ($10 US), the other pocket he had a couple thousand. The shadies had him at knife point and asked him to take his money out of his pocket, and he handed them the the $30. They scrambled away after that.

Moral of the story is, if you don't look like a regular in the area, you'll most evidently be targeted for a mug/robbery attempt by locals. Having a gun may or may not protect you from these situations depending on how each one occurs, so it might be especially in a tourist's (or non local's) interest to have a gun.

 

[naisho]

Do you mean like college campuses? Walmart parking lots (day and night)? Jogging in a park or neighborhood? At home?

I've slept in several Walmart parking lots overnight.
There are enacted laws in some states which allows travelers to stay and take a break overnight at certain Walmarts across the US. It has felt safer for me to nap next to the big rigs knowing that they probably carried a shotgun or something in their vehicles although the sound/vibrations of their engines overnight wasn't exactly enjoyable.

I believe many, nearly all truckers carry one from some reports I've read.. In fact, they probably have a pretty high probability of getting into a situation every night they stay someplace. Much more than our average citizen.