'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

Jiro said:
whoa....... you surely are over-analyzing and over-predicting everything....

If a pickpocket is gone before I could react, then that's too bad. I'm not going to chase after him and start a'blazing away. That's just crazy and reckless.


um....... how? the only way he'll know is giving me a pat-down.... TSA style.
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If the pickpocket is not gone befofre you ever realize you have been robbed, he isn't a very good pickpocket.:lol: He probably should get a CCW so he can go armed.
 
Reba said:
Who are you to judge what another person's needs might be?

Did you read that I said it might take several weeks? I know some people have to wait months. A lot can happen during that time.
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I don't attempt to determine people's needs. Carry a concealed weapon can hardly be considered a "need" unless you are in a position that includes great risk of being attacked. Carrying a concealed weapon is more of a "want" than a "need" as has been shown here in this thread.

But I'll ask you the same question, but in regard to sexual orientation or religion.
 
Jiro said:
DS could be having a cash-only business at her home so that means DS would need to make a regular trip to bank to make a regular deposit. but that's not important...

You believe that it's ok for her to carry a concealed gun if she's going to carry thousands of dollars or if she may be in situation where she may get raped.

So what scenarios would be ok for me to carry a concealed weapon?
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"Could be, could be, could be".:roll: How about little reality and thinking of alternate solutions that don't involve deadly weapons?

Nope. I didn't say anything about carrying a gun and rape.

Given some of the things you say in the gun threads, I don't think YOU should ever be allowed to carry a gun in a public area.
 
Jiro said:
deafskeptic - were you under impression that jillio was whole-fully talking about a pickpocket or pickpocket and strong-armed robber?
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I was under the impression she was talking about the strong armed robber, then she mentioned the pick pocket. I think the strong armed robber was what she had in mind.
 
deafskeptic said:
I was under the impression she was talking about the strong armed robber, then she mentioned the pick pocket. I think the strong armed robber was what she had in mind.
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Exactly. I didn't mention a pickpocket until Jiro started coming up with scenarios regarding a pickpocket.
 
Jiro said:
fine by me! what you said in there is exactly what CCW holders' mindsets are like.

That's why you never heard in news about CCW holders getting trigger-happy or feeling like Charles Bronson.

That's why I fail to understand Jillio's reasoning with CCW.
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Dunno about that. I would imagine that the CCW population would be no different from the rest of of the gun owning population. I wouldn't be surprised if the stats are similar.
 
Jiro said:
DS could be having a cash-only business at her home so that means DS would need to make a regular trip to bank to make a regular deposit. but that's not important...

You believe that it's ok for her to carry a concealed gun if she's going to carry thousands of dollars or if she may be in situation where she may get raped.

So what scenarios would be ok for me to carry a concealed weapon?
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If I had a cash only business, I would keep my cash in a locked small vault on the way to the bank. That also would be the only reason why I'd be carrying cash at all. I rarely carry more than 20 dollars in cash and often I don't carry cash at all.
 
deafskeptic said:
If I had a cash only business, I would keep my cash in a locked small vault on the way to the bank. That also would be the only reason why I'd be carrying cash at all. I rarely carry more than 20 dollars in cash and often I don't carry cash at all.
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then why bother talking about this?

deafskeptic said:
If I were a gun owner, I would prolly pack heat everytime I go out. However, I would not use guns every time I felt threatened. Shooting someone over 4 dollars would not be worth the legal issues unless I also was being raped at the same time. Nor would shooting someone over a hundred bucks be worth it.

Shooting someone over a grand would be worth it in some situations. That's a lot of money and it would mean the difference between my necessities and the street. My first reaction would be to get out of danger as soon as possible and leave unnoticed if possible. In short, I would keep keep the need to protect myself to a minimum.

I have always believed in resorting to violence as a last resort when all esle fails. I'd do my best to avoid known danger spots and take common sense precautions so I'm not likely to robbed. Of course, not all situations can be avoided and then you would need to defend yourself as a first resort and not as a last one.
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what a huge change in your opinion.... :roll:

and we both know what's going on here. It's cute and coy of you to back her up in any way you can but if you didn't want to state your stance that is not in agreement with Jillio's, then it's just best to not get involved rather than lying.

tell me the truth.
 
deafskeptic said:
Dunno about that. I would imagine that the CCW population would be no different from the rest of of the gun owning population. I wouldn't be surprised if the stats are similar.
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best to show me concrete facts instead of assumption and hypothesis.

and FYI - # of CCW holders is less than # of gun owners..... nowhere close....
 
jillio said:
I don't attempt to determine people's needs. Carry a concealed weapon can hardly be considered a "need" unless you are in a position that includes great risk of being attacked. Carrying a concealed weapon is more of a "want" than a "need" as has been shown here in this thread.

But I'll ask you the same question, but in regard to sexual orientation or religion.
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wow...... what a huge.... huge contradiction in your post and what's even bigger wow is that you do see it and you're trying your damnest to make it go away by flooding this thread with obfuscation and bullshit.

First..... you stated that you don't attempt to determine people's needs.... and now you're saying we don't need to carry it because some so-called statistics say that my likelihood of getting shot in my own foot is higher than me getting robbed.

you haven't answered my question yet - what scenarios would be ok for me to carry a concealed weapon?

and any comment about http://www.alldeaf.com/1952491-post748.html ?
 
deafskeptic said:
If I had a cash only business, I would keep my cash in a locked small vault on the way to the bank. That also would be the only reason why I'd be carrying cash at all. I rarely carry more than 20 dollars in cash and often I don't carry cash at all.
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I try to keep 5.00 cash on me, but just in case someone runs out to get lunch on a busy day and I want them to bring me a little something. I'd rather not give out a debit or credit card unless I know you extremely well. Then again, knowing you extremely well could also be a reason NOT to give you my credit or debit card!:giggle:
 
Jiro said:
wow...... what a huge.... huge contradiction in your post and what's even bigger wow is that you do see it and you're trying your damnest to make it go away by flooding this thread with obfuscation and bullshit.

There are no contradictions, Jiro. You just keep trying to find them because you have run out of logical intelligent arguments for your postion.
First..... you stated that you don't attempt to determine people's needs.... and now you're saying we don't need to carry it because some so-called statistics say that my likelihood of getting shot in my own foot is higher than me getting robbed.

I am saying that you should not be carrying a weapon in public unless you are in a position that puts you at great risk of harm. What is so hard about that for you to understand. What do you need a weapon for if you are not in a position that would increase the probability that you would need that weapon? Just because you want to carry it to make yourself feel 10 feet tall doesn't mean you "need" it.
you haven't answered my question yet - what scenarios would be ok for me to carry a concealed weapon?

:laugh2: I answered that one very clearly. You better go back and read my response again.

and any comment about http://www.alldeaf.com/1952491-post748.html ?
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What exactly do you want me to comment on? I don't think I've let many posts go by in this thread without commenting on them.:roll::giggle: I commented on the OP and everything thereafter.
 
jillio said:
I try to keep 5.00 cash on me, but just in case someone runs out to get lunch on a busy day and I want them to bring me a little something. I'd rather not give out a debit or credit card unless I know you extremely well. Then again, knowing you extremely well could also be a reason NOT to give you my credit or debit card!:giggle:
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I've never had to give out my credit cards to friends or family. Nor would I unless it's an emergency.
 
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