'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

jillio said:
You have been given plenty of examples. In fact, naisho even posted examples for you. All you have to do is read the statistics.:laugh2: I am not responsible for the fact that you ignore information already provided for you.:cool2:
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I'm wondering why do you keep saying "ignore"?

Are you telling me that your interpretation of this so-called statistics is the whole truth and nothing but the truth? and also - are you telling me that what naisho posted is referring to CCW holders?
 
jillio said:
The CCW holders and gun fanatics around here stand out like sore thumbs. There is a particular attitude that goes with it. Not hard to pick out.
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so were your life put in danger by them more than criminals with illegal guns?
 
jillio said:
The CCW holders and gun fanatics around here stand out like sore thumbs. There is a particular attitude that goes with it. Not hard to pick out.
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Really?! They aren't that way here. Most people are surprised when they find out someone here has a CCW permit. No one flaunts it in this area.

I guess it depends on where you live. :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
Forgive me. I'm afraid I don't understand it too clearly. Can you kindly answer each of my questions in a numbered format? I'll clarify - my questions are relating to CCW holders, not criminals.
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You are far too high maintenance. Do it for me, do it for me, do it for me. My answer is clearly stated. Figure it out.
 
Reba said:
Really?! They aren't that way here. Most people are surprised when they find out someone here has a CCW permit. No one flaunts it in this area.

I guess it depends on where you live. :dunno:
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Guess so.
 
jillio said:
You are far too high maintenance. Do it for me, do it for me, do it for me. My answer is clearly stated. Figure it out.
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I'm sorry. It isn't cleared enough for me. Please clarify because your answer is referring to criminals and I wasn't asking about criminals. :ty:
 
Jiro said:
I'm wondering why do you keep saying "ignore"?

Are you telling me that your interpretation of this so-called statistics is the whole truth and nothing but the truth? and also - are you telling me that what naisho posted is referring to CCW holders?
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I'm telling you the numbers are there. They speak for themselves.:roll:
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry. It isn't cleared enough for me. Please clarify because your answer is referring to criminals and I wasn't asking about criminals. :ty:
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Nope. You need to grow up and wear your big boy pants. I can't do your thinking for you. My words are there.
 
jillio said:
Are CCW's gun owners?

Come on Jiro. You are insulting your own intelligence with these manipulative attemtps.
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This thread is about Open Carry and also CCW holders....

To answer your question - yes CCW holders are also gun owners but CCW requires a separate permit. Gun Owners can choose to opt for CCW permit or not.

So the statistics you speak of is referring to gun owners.... I see that there are accidental deaths, injuries, intentional killings, etc.... for clarification purpose - I'm asking you if you know specifically if CCW holders are factored into it and how many exactly (or estimated)... or any data that is caused by CCW holders.
 
Reba said:
Some are. Many people who have the permit don't actually own guns.

On the flip side, not all gun owners have CCW permits.
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I didn't ask if all gun owners have a permit. You are using circular logic.

Why would someone need a permit to carry a concealed weapon if they do not have a weapon to conceal.

My question was, "Are CCW's gun owners" Nothing about all in there. Simple yes or no question. Seems no one is interested in answering a simple yes or no question.:dunno2:

A CCW owner without a gun isn't going to be included in the statistics regarding shootings, now are they? The question was in reference to Jiro's incessant questioning regarding the statistics.
 
Jiro said:
This thread is about Open Carry and also CCW holders....

To answer your question - yes CCW holders are also gun owners but CCW requires a separate permit. Gun Owners can choose to opt for CCW permit or not.

So the statistics you speak of is referring to gun owners.... I see that there are accidental deaths, injuries, intentional killings, etc.... for clarification purpose - I'm asking you if you know specifically if CCW holders are factored into it and how many exactly (or estimated)... or any data that is caused by CCW holders.
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The bolded is the answer. The rest is just an attempt to distract from that.:laugh2:
 
Jiro said:
then why do gas stations or 7-11 open 24/7? our life should not be dictated by some bogeymen
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Who says that I haven't gone to gas stations or whatever late at night? I don't go there ALONE....

If I have to go to them, I'll take someone with me.

Safety in numbers.

Do you think it's safer for me to go alone with a gun or go with a group of friends?

Funny that you see a gun as a way to have freedom, i.e. "don't let the bogeyman dictate what you should or should not do." You see the gun as some sort of a way to be free from "fear" of bad guys.

Me personally? The way I see it: you buying a gun and getting all these permits IS letting the bad guy dictate how you live.
 
jillio said:
I didn't ask if all gun owners have a permit. You are using circular logic.

Why would someone need a permit to carry a concealed weapon if they do not have a weapon to conceal.
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there are handful of people who have driver license but do not own cars....... like New Yorkers.

jillio said:
My question was, "Are CCW's gun owners" Nothing about all in there. Simple yes or no question. Seems no one is interested in answering a simple yes or no question.:dunno2:
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Really? I see... and I was not able to elicit this kind of simple yes/no answer from you to my simple question that requires only yes or no....

jillio said:
A CCW owner without a gun isn't going to be included in the statistics regarding shootings, now are they? The question was in reference to Jiro's incessant questioning regarding the statistics.
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Then you do know how many gun owners in statistics that do have CCW permits? A simple yes or no answer will do.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Who says that I haven't gone to gas stations or whatever late at night? I don't go there ALONE....

If I have to go to them, I'll take someone with me.

Safety in numbers.

Do you think it's safer for me to go alone with a gun or go with a group of friends?
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that's not for me to decide for you. You should do whatever you think is safe and comfortable for you.

Daredevel7 said:
Funny that you see a gun as a way to have freedom, i.e. "don't let the bogeyman dictate what you should or should not do." You see the gun as some sort of a way to be free from "fear" of bad guys.

Me personally? The way I see it: you buying a gun and getting all these permits IS letting the bad guy dictate how you live.
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then why do you need to bring someone with you? isn't that you letting bad guy dictate how you live too?
 
jillio said:
I didn't ask if all gun owners have a permit. You are using circular logic.

Why would someone need a permit to carry a concealed weapon if they do not have a weapon to conceal.
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1. Because they want the training that goes along with getting the permit.

2. They want to be ready when and if they can later buy a gun.

3. They don't know which kind of gun they want yet, and want to try out several before purchasing.

4. They might live in a state where they can get another state's permit but they aren't allowed to purchase the guns locally.

5. Some have acquired the permit but later sell their guns, and the time of the permit extends beyond the time of the sale.

I know for a fact that they don't all have guns because the testing range rents out guns, eye/hearing protection, for those who want to take the course and test but aren't equipped.

My question was, "Are CCW's gun owners" Nothing about all in there. Simple yes or no question. Seems no one is interested in answering a simple yes or no question.:dunno2:
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The answer is SOME CCW permit holders are gun owners.

A CCW owner without a gun isn't going to be included in the statistics regarding shootings, now are they? The question was in reference to Jiro's incessant questioning regarding the statistics.
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They could be. They can borrow or rent guns, or own a gun during part of the time period that they have the permit. In some states, the permits are good for several years.
 
I can tell what we forgot to factor in the whole debate/conversation are where a person lives.. it makes all the difference.

I would not feel safe in Cleveland, Memphis, TN or even West Memphis, AR too. Same with being in El Paso, St. Louis, Inglewood CA, etc you get the idea. I've done several trips across the US to get the knowledge of what cities or areas are ones to avoid.

Having been or stayed in those areas I get an idea of which cities to stay out of day or night. I could have felt that a gun would have brought my sense of control over a situation would be higher, but if there were more than one person I figure I'd be a goner.

But I used to stay around Irvine/Lake Forest, CA for my college years - these areas are considered one of the top 10 safest cities in all of America. I would almost never feel a need to carry a gun outside with me.
 
Jiro said:
that's not for me to decide for you. You should do whatever you think is safe and comfortable for you.


then why do you need to bring someone with you? isn't that you letting bad guy dictate how you live too?
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Exactly! So what's this "omgz, don't let the bad guys dictate your life!" nonsense? As if gun owners are the only ones unaffected. Come on now....

By the way, I've been held up twice already. Once in Madrid and again in Atlanta. They didn't have guns. They used knives.

Do I wish I had a gun at those times? Not really. I'm okay with giving up 300 pesetas (=$2.50, before Euros were implemented) and... actually the one in ATL didn't even get anything from me because I literally did not carry money or anything at all at that time. Even showed him all of my pockets. But that's just me, personally. If you wanna pull out your gun when you get held up, you deal with it your way, and I'll deal with it in mine.
 
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