'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

jillio said:
You can't be certain that was all he WASN'T going to do.:cool2:

You don't try to reason with a robber. You give them the money and they go away. After all, any reasonable business owner is insured against losses coming from a robbery. The money can be replaced. Human life cannot.
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Yeah, I mean to rationalize the intent of the criminal after the incident has happened. You studied psychology, you already know that the human mind is complex and not meant to be easily understood, especially the mind of those who commit crimes with the intent to do so.

During the heat of the moment, it would take a seasoned person to think "Okay, he just wants the money, I'll give it to him and he will go away." But it's missing the second part; how do you know that he does not have the intent to shoot you or another witness out of other reasons? Law enforcement has to be especially careful when handling suspect criminals in these cases.

You know the deal with police having the universal rule "gun drawn = intent to shoot?" It's controversial when looking at the case after it has happened, but during the heat of the moment, it isn't easy, and in the end police actions can be justified on that reason alone.
 
jillio said:
Funny. I just clicked on it in my post and it worked just fine.

Then go to st.nj.us. Easy to find. Better yet, just google NJ self defense laws. That's where I got it.

Now, take the time to read the law and come back a bit more informed.

Here's a little text to get you started:

Use of Force in Self-Protection. a. Use of force
42 justifiable for protection of the person. Subject to the provisions of
43 this section and of section 2C:3-9, the use of force upon or toward
44 another person is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that
45 such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting
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yes. I have a law book regarding NJ Gun Laws on my hand written by renowned NJ lawyer who specializes in this case. It's actually very restrictive.
 
Jiro said:
yes. I have a law book regarding NJ Gun Laws on my hand written by renowned NJ lawyer who specializes in this case. It's actually very restrictive.
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It is not illegal to defend yourself in New Jersey, including the use of deadly force. So once again, you made a false statement when you said it was illegal to defend yourself in NJ.:lol:
 
jillio said:
It is not illegal to defend yourself in New Jersey, including the use of deadly force. So once again, you made a false statement when you said it was illegal to defend yourself in NJ.:lol:
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Please answer my question -

Can I do that at parking lot? or in my car?
 
Jiro said:
Please answer my question -

Can I do that at parking lot? or in my car?
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If you believe that you are in a situation of immediate danger, yes, Read the law, Jiro. And just admit it. You made a false statement. In effect, you jumped the gun, and that kind of reaction in a person who wants to walk around with a gun is a little suspect.:cool2:
 
jillio said:
Check again. It is a current events thread. Can't you guys get anything right tonight?

I think my work here is done.:laugh2:
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This section has always been approved for debate as opposed to say....general chat. Thus a debate thread.

If it's not , Boy have you been out of line. :lol:
 
jillio said:
If you believe that you are in a situation of immediate danger, yes, Read the law, Jiro. And just admit it. You made a false statement. In effect, you jumped the gun, and that kind of reaction in a person who wants to walk around with a gun is a little suspect.:cool2:
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really?

did you know that it's illegal to bring a gun OUTSIDE your house for ANY reason except to go to shooting range? so how is it legal for me to defend myself with a gun at parking lot or in my car when it is in fact illegal to bring a gun out of my house?

so with that - it's illegal for me to defend myself.
 
Jiro said:
really?

did you know that it's illegal to bring a gun OUTSIDE your house for ANY reason except to go to shooting range? so how is it legal for me to defend myself with a gun at parking lot or in my car when it is in fact illegal to bring a gun out of my house?

so with that - it's illegal for me to defend myself.
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Jiro, I posted a link to the law for you. It says that deadly force is not illegal. Stop trying to backpedal. Just read the danged law.
 
NUMBER 1 motion for understanding a case in criminal justice law is the appearance of a gun in any situation. The law equates to a drawn gun (does not matter if it is a criminal, civilian, or LEO) to the use of a deadly force.

It does not matter if they are aiming for the ground, looking like they are going to rob a quickie mart, or wherever. It's the same justification for being able to fire back from police or trained CCW civilians.

* Although there are exceptions to the rule, where a LEO CAN make a decision to use or not use their weapon.
 
jillio said:
Jiro, I posted a link to the law for you. It says that deadly force is not illegal. Stop trying to backpedal. Just read the danged law.
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Please answer my question - is it illegal for me to take gun outside my home and carry it on myself at parking lot?
 
Jiro said:
Please answer my question - is it illegal for me to take gun outside my home and carry it on myself at parking lot?
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I already answered it. And if you would bother to use the link you keep whining about wanting, you could read it in the law, too.
 
naisho said:
NUMBER 1 motion for understanding a case in criminal justice law is the appearance of a gun in any situation. The law equates to a drawn gun (does not matter if it is a criminal, civilian, or LEO) to the use of a deadly force.

It does not matter if they are aiming for the ground, looking like they are going to rob a quickie mart, or wherever. It's the same justification for being able to fire back from police or trained CCW civilians.

* Although there are exceptions to the rule, where a LEO CAN make a decision to use or not use their weapon.
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That's why we have LEO's.:cool2: They are trained to make those decisions, and d so often. Citizens aren't and don't.
 
jillio said:
I already answered it. And if you would bother to use the link you keep whining about wanting, you could read it in the law, too.
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it's illegal.

do you dispute that?
 
jillio said:
That's why we have LEO's.:cool2: They are trained to make those decisions, and d so often. Citizens aren't and don't.
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so you are in direct support of gun ban (or high gun restriction law)? and you believe LEO is citizen's Amendment 2?
 
Jiro said:
it's illegal.

do you dispute that?
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Read the law, Jiro. It will answer all of your questions. You stated that it was illegal to defend yourself in the state of New Jersey. It isn't. Period.
 
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