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[Jiro]

It wouldn't matter since those who work for the govt have every right to express their displeasure on how their govt is run or managed. There is no conflict at all but a right afforded to each American when it comes to freedom of speech and expression. Working for the govt does not mean you lose your freedom of speech and expression.

no it doesn't but it makes you a silly funny hypocrite.... thus "biting the hand that feeds you"

 

[Jiro]

Right. Pretty sad that some people actually think you should lose your freedom of speech and expression just because you work for the govt. *smh*

you're a perfect example of "biting the hand that feeds you"

that's why I don't work for government.

 

[Reba]

USPS is part of government.

"The Postal Service has been self-supporting since 1982:

All income is generated from the sale of stamps and related services

No tax dollars (including from income or sales taxes) is used to pay for the operation of services."
USPS - Frequently Asked Questions - USPS® Facts and Information

However, it wouldn't matter anyway because even government employees have the right to criticize their government leaders. We have the First Amendment, not a dictatorship.

 

[Jiro]

"The Postal Service has been self-supporting since 1982:

All income is generated from the sale of stamps and related services

No tax dollars (including from income or sales taxes) is used to pay for the operation of services."
USPS - Frequently Asked Questions - USPS® Facts and Information

it's still part of government regardless of how it's funded.

However, it wouldn't matter anyway because even government employees have the right to criticize their government leaders. We have the First Amendment, not a dictatorship.

again - never said anything about censorship, First Amendment, or any such thing.

only pointing out hypocrisy and demonstrating an example of "biting the hand that feeds you" especially when one has a strong anti-government sentimentalism.

 

[Reba]

you're a perfect example of "biting the hand that feeds you"

that's why I don't work for government.

So, do you believe that the entire Civil Service should resign and start over every time there's a new administration?

Except for those the President picks for himself (such as VP, his personal staff and the Cabinet), none of the other civilian workers are working for him. So why can't they criticize what he does? He's not their boss.

 

[Jiro]

So, do you believe that the entire Civil Service should resign and start over every time there's a new administration?

Except for those the President picks for himself (such as VP, his personal staff and the Cabinet), none of the other civilian workers are working for him. So why can't they criticize what he does? He's not their boss.

I believe a person shouldn't be working for an organization with a historical record that does not align with one's belief.

I mean... it's like a staunch supporter of PETA working at slaughterhouse

 

[CrazyPaul]

Rolling worked for government.... paid by government....

You are correct that USPS is under the federal government but USPS employees are paid by USPS, not by the government. Reba said it all in post # 203. USPS doesn't get taxpayers' money, not even a cent. I hope you will edit this comment of yours above, "paid by government" which is false. Shame on you! (you fucked up again.)

 

[Jiro]

You are correct that USPS is under the federal government but USPS employees are paid by USPS, not by the government. Reba said it all in post # 203. USPS doesn't get taxpayers' money, not even a cent. I hope you will edit this comment of yours above, "paid by government" which is false. Shame on you! (you fucked up again.)

for proving my point.

USPS = government hence... worked for government. paid by government.

and USPS does receive some taxpayers' money.

The United States Postal Service (USPS). Is it government agency or a private business? It's both.

The USPS does get some taxpayer support. Around $96 million is budgeted annually by Congress for the "Postal Service Fund." These funds are used to compensate USPS for postage-free mailing for all legally blind persons and for mail-in election ballots sent from US citizens living overseas. A portion of the funds also pays USPS for providing address information to state and local child support enforcement agencies.

The U.S. Postal Service | Need to Know | PBS

2. The postal service doesn’t rely on taxpayer funds.

Until 1971, mail delivery was handled by the Post Office Department, a Cabinet department in the federal government. Postal worker strikes prompted President Nixon to pass the Postal Reorganization Act in 1971, transforming it into the semi-independent agency we now know as the United States Postal Service. The USPS in its current form runs like a business, relies on postage for revenue and, for the most part, has not used taxpayer money since 1982, when postage stamps became “products” instead of forms of taxation. Taxpayer money is only used in some cases to pay for mailing voter materials to disabled and overseas Americans.

USPS spokespersons have been adamant in emphasizing that they are not requesting taxpayer funds from the federal government to make this year’s payment. Rather, they say, the USPS is asking Congress to authorize access to an estimated $7 billion that they overpaid into the future retiree pension fund in previous years.

and didn't you know anything about USPS' crisis? it's getting to the point where taxpayers' money may be used to bail them out in order to pay for retirees' pension funds.

Saving the Postal Service

USPS has to save now, or it will not be able to afford retiree health care later. If they can’t, taxpayers will be on the hook for billions of dollars.

To protect taxpayers from covering USPS large unfunded liability on retiree health care benefits, Congress mandated that USPS make a series of catch-up payments, often called “prefunding,” starting in 2007 and going through 2017. These catch-up payments will ensure USPS has saved enough money now to meet these obligations later. Within the next few years, the annual costs of paying current benefits will dwarf current costs. Saving now is the only way to make this affordable later, and prevent a taxpayer funded bailout. Though the Postal Service was created to be a self-sustaining entity- taxpayers stand behind this large and growing liability. If the Postal Service were allowed to immediately cease making these catch-up payments, it would have an unfunded liability of nearly $100 billion by 2017. This would clearly be an unaffordable burden for an entity whose core business and revenue is steadily shrinking. It would likely result in a taxpayer funded bailout of postal workers’ retiree health care payments. The annual deficit of the Postal Service now easily exceeds its entire annual catch-up payment, illustrating its fiscal problems run much deeper.

 

[CrazyPaul]

USPS = government hence... worked for government. paid by government.

You fuck up again... I didn't prove your point at all. The government covers postages for those organizations/agencies, not for USPS. Mailing is not free, have you forgotten? If any of them is a business reply mail or has a postage due, it must be paid or it will not be delivered. That's how a business works.

As for retirement fund, USPS pays $5.5 billions into that fund every year for ten years. Not even a cent from taypayers.

The taxpayers don't pay employees/retirees. That's a fact.

Quote from one of your links:

"According to the laws under which it now operates, the U.S. Postal Service is a semi-independent federal agency, mandated to be revenue-neutral. That is, it is supposed to break even, not make a profit."

"The bulk of the cost of operating the postal system has been paid for by customers through the sale of "postal products" and services rather than taxes."



That quote you left below proved my point so thank you.

"2. The postal service doesn’t rely on taxpayer funds.

Until 1971, mail delivery was handled by the Post Office Department, a Cabinet department in the federal government. Postal worker strikes prompted President Nixon to pass the Postal Reorganization Act in 1971, transforming it into the semi-independent agency we now know as the United States Postal Service. The USPS in its current form runs like a business, relies on postage for revenue and, for the most part, has not used taxpayer money since 1982, when postage stamps became “products” instead of forms of taxation. Taxpayer money is ONLY used in some cases to pay for mailing voter materials to disabled and overseas Americans.
USPS spokespersons have been adamant in emphasizing that they are not requesting taxpayer funds from the federal government to make this year’s payment. Rather, they say, the USPS is asking Congress to authorize access to an estimated $7 billion that they overpaid into the future retiree pension fund in previous years."

In other word, so far the retirement fund has about $33 billions and if you think that we deliver them even when the taxpayers don't pay for mailing voter materials, you must be fucking nuts.

I can go on but I think I need to stop wasting my breath on you because you are hardheaded.

 

[Foxrac]

I thought rolling7 was retired.

Yup, he says so and I think he probably retired before Obama came in.

 

[Foxrac]

yes I'm referring to while he was employed. I would never work for an organization whom I would have a strong criticism and disagreement on daily basis for years.

Yup, I will not work for AFA, FRC, Boy Scouts, NOM and some organizations/companies that I disagree with them and it is against my wish.

 

[Foxrac]

I wonder how many times Obama lied so far? Anybody keeping track of it?

All presidents do lies at all time.

 

[Foxrac]

"The Postal Service has been self-supporting since 1982:

All income is generated from the sale of stamps and related services

No tax dollars (including from income or sales taxes) is used to pay for the operation of services."
USPS - Frequently Asked Questions - USPS® Facts and Information

However, it wouldn't matter anyway because even government employees have the right to criticize their government leaders. We have the First Amendment, not a dictatorship.

it's still part of government regardless of how it's funded.



again - never said anything about censorship, First Amendment, or any such thing.

only pointing out hypocrisy and demonstrating an example of "biting the hand that feeds you" especially when one has a strong anti-government sentimentalism.

I feel that USPS is part of government, not funds because if USPS wants change anything like increase the stamp or close the branches so they have goes to congress to approve.

 

[Foxrac]

Right. Pretty sad that some people actually think you should lose your freedom of speech and expression just because you work for the govt. *smh*

That's true for service members (military).

 

[Jiro]

You fuck up again... I didn't prove your point at all. The government covers postages for those organizations/agencies, not for USPS. Mailing is not free, have you forgotten? If any of them is a business reply mail or has a postage due, it must be paid or it will not be delivered. That's how a business works.

As for retirement fund, USPS pays $5.5 billions into that fund every year for ten years. Not even a cent from taypayers.

The taxpayers don't pay employees/retirees. That's a fact.

Quote from one of your links:

"According to the laws under which it now operates, the U.S. Postal Service is a semi-independent federal agency, mandated to be revenue-neutral. That is, it is supposed to break even, not make a profit."

"The bulk of the cost of operating the postal system has been paid for by customers through the sale of "postal products" and services rather than taxes."



That quote you left below proved my point so thank you.

"2. The postal service doesn’t rely on taxpayer funds.

Until 1971, mail delivery was handled by the Post Office Department, a Cabinet department in the federal government. Postal worker strikes prompted President Nixon to pass the Postal Reorganization Act in 1971, transforming it into the semi-independent agency we now know as the United States Postal Service. The USPS in its current form runs like a business, relies on postage for revenue and, for the most part, has not used taxpayer money since 1982, when postage stamps became “products” instead of forms of taxation. Taxpayer money is ONLY used in some cases to pay for mailing voter materials to disabled and overseas Americans.
USPS spokespersons have been adamant in emphasizing that they are not requesting taxpayer funds from the federal government to make this year’s payment. Rather, they say, the USPS is asking Congress to authorize access to an estimated $7 billion that they overpaid into the future retiree pension fund in previous years."

In other word, so far the retirement fund has about $33 billions and if you think that we deliver them even when the taxpayers don't pay for mailing voter materials, you must be fucking nuts.

I can go on but I think I need to stop wasting my breath on you because you are hardheaded.

what part of government do you not understand? as you said.... USPS = government regardless of how it's funded.

so rolling worked for GOVERNMENT. paid by GOVERNMENT.

are you really so hardheaded that you'd only consider it as "government" if its fund is from taxpayers? well guess what? where did USPS get the money from? taxpayers!

and I'm sorry I proved you wrong that USPS does receive some taxpayers' money.

 

[rolling7]

what part of government do you not understand? as you said.... USPS = government regardless of how it's funded.

so rolling worked for GOVERNMENT. paid by GOVERNMENT.

are you really so hardheaded that you'd only consider it as "government" if its fund is from taxpayers? well guess what? where did USPS get the money from? taxpayers!

and I'm sorry I proved you wrong that USPS does receive some taxpayers' money.

And you would be right. USPS gets taxpayers money through the sale of service and produces.

The government no longer directly supports the USPS. But indirectly it does, through
given

money to folks whom have not earn that money and they, in turn, make purchases from USPS. However, that is true for Wal-Mart, McD, etc.

The difference is the government can not "raid" the funds of profit nor pensions of Wal-Mart, McD, etc. while for years Congress has "raided" from the pension plan of the USPS workers.

 

[rolling7]

Rolling worked for government.... paid by government....

Thank you Jiro

Key word is: worked

as opposed to those whom you champion never having worked a minute, either with a government or non-government entry.

 

[rolling7]

Yup, he says so and I think he probably retired before Obama came in.

Nope, Oct 31, 2009.

 

[Jiro]

Thank you Jiro

Key word is: worked

as opposed to those whom you champion never having worked a minute, either with a government or non-government entry.

hence.... biting the hand that feeds you

 

[CrazyPaul]

what part of government do you not understand? as you said.... USPS = government regardless of how it's funded. so rolling worked for GOVERNMENT. paid by GOVERNMENT.

are you really so hardheaded that you'd only consider it as "government" if its fund is from taxpayers? well guess what? where did USPS get the money from? taxpayers!

and I'm sorry I proved you wrong that USPS does receive some taxpayers' money.

In red, you said that, not me. WTF?

If you talked about taxpayers buying stamps and services, they are CUSTOMERS. WTF?