Obama supporters?

[Foxrac]

I notice some of your posts over healthcare issues are misleading. Yes this is misleading information.

I´m on most of Jazzy´s, Brad´s and Jillo´s side over healthcare issues. I was like that some of posters made misleading posts over healthcare issues.

Health insurance is a luxury to me to save people's risk life than anything including big and fancy car, etc because I rather to help with my insurances to everyone who deserves to remain alive and want to see everyone treat equal.

Poor workers and employees who cannot afford to insure health insurance coverage when they desire to save their family life. A boy have to die because their parent´s insurance coverage is not limited enough.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Boy's death highlights US health debate

Did you know how much head surgery cost, my son had at almost 3 years ago? (I´m sure some of you remember my thread about my son at 3 years ago). I am realllllyyyyyy gllllaaaaddddd that I have health insurance for our family safety.... Why? Because my son´s life is my biggest concern than complaint about healthcare insurance. Do you want to face huge surgery bill? I bet you wouldn´t.

The heath insurance, I insured is unlimited which mean is everything except comestic surgery. With comestic surgery is very limited with very good reasons.

Anyway, not just low income people but million americans cannot afford to insure health for their family because it's too expensive. Check some threads.

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/47361-u-s-report-40-million-cant-afford-health-care.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-health/33913-us-health-care-system-gets-d.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/46824-us-isnt-ready-free-medical-like-canada.html

Obama´s healthcare plan. That´s why I support Obama´s healthcare for all Americans.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Health Care

I don't want to work to pay taxes to help low income people and plus extra insurance for myself. I would support if I work to pay taxes to help low income people including myself.

wow, I am total speechless over your comment here. I feel really bad for Americans because they deserves to be treat equal, no matter what... To insure healthcare is mainly important than car...

I find unfair for the people who live on SSI or whatever to get medicard which workers doesn´t... They work hard to pay tax for medicard, etc for SSI and then pay extra health insurance coverage for family.

LOL, that's not always, part/full time employees could get medicaid if they work on low paying job, such as retail and food service, it depends on income and other system, situation is different on individual, I'm full time employee and have medicaid.

Universal health benefits wouldn't going work out for USA, I'm favor into all companies should offers benefit at cheaper, reduce of medical cost to same level and change the medicare policies for people with health crisis at under 65 and unemployed. Many doctors in USA don't accept cheap labor, they have much far different views than in other countries. Many people who have insurance, medicaid or medicare aren't supposed go to emergency as doctor visit, that's very bad idea, except if you have real emergency like heart attack, cancer, or very serious situation.

Without doubt, Obama wouldn't able to set on universal health center or change the tax system without congress approval, congress is very hard to change the system, we need find other optional than just stupid universal health benefits, it did worked out for Canada, most EU and other countries but our country isn't.

Additional, I do understand about some health crisis in USA, that's part of life and we need work out that way on our own, especially on Americans and people who are resident of USA.

 

[Foxrac]

we should just abolish medicaid + income tax. simplify the tax system (perhaps a variation of progressive tax and flat tax), place the cap on malpractice compensation, emphasize on intervention program, ban high fructose sugar syrup (that'll mean removing embargo on Cuba), offer incentive to doctors to improve general health of population, make medical lawsuit more difficult and costly to sue, and offer incentive to companies (drug, medical equipment, etc.) to reduce the cost of medicines and medical equipments. Medicines should be subsidized as much as our gas.

that way - we can receive almost full amount of what we earn to be able to afford health care. Universal Healthcare will not work in USA - not for a long while. I work full-time and I have a very good 100% medical + dental coverage (with $2,000 deductible). I get pissed off to see hefty amount being removed from my paycheck - something that I can't use. I don't believe in paying largely for other people who need it. Sorry but it's my money. I live in capitalist country, not socialist country. There are countless of organizations like church and donations who can help out. That's why you have to work smart and hard in life. I hate freeloaders who can't help themselves.

Yup, got agreed with you, it won't work for USA.

 

[Foxrac]

Very interesting referral about universe health care
Universal health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only one biggest issue is... if we want adopt universal health center then taxes would going up, could be skyrocketing, we don't have enough funds to support universal health center at existing tax system, that reason because I want find other way to work out, if adopted with no change in tax would result into more debt, issue could be resolve if we have pull war out or something need be pull it out as well, war is in big pain ass right now and very difficult to pull it out.

I had noticed that several companies have expensive or bad benefits, that cause some Americans couldn't afford or reduce of savings in budget, also I couldn't trust my company's insurance due limitation and court time for employees who went above the limit and alot of claims. There's other option for employees who work at companies with bad, expensive or no benefit could opt for COBRA insurance but their cost is fairly expensive for some people's taste, it's more suit for people who earn good paying or high paying.

 

[Reba]

EDIT: Yeah, Obama do have some mitiarty experiences, I'd aware of that...

Sorry, Obama has no military experience.

 

[jillio]

It´s healthcare issues, she referring to.

She ask the question why Puyo get SSI benefit and also Medicard as well from Government and against healthcare for all Americans because of government control... ? Yes, all Americans deserve the assistance from government is healthcare as the same as the people get SSI and medicard as well. If they are against healthcare for all Americans then they should also against SSI and medicard as well.

Do you think it´s fair for the workers/employers get nothing from Government in return when they work to pay tax to help low income people to get SSI benefit and medicard for free?

Thank you, Liebling! That is exactly what I was saying.

 

[jillio]

Yup, got agreed with you, it won't work for USA.

Why won't it work?

 

[Jiro]

Why won't it work?

you can do the math. My friend interned at Congress last year and he worked on analyzing Hillary Clinton's health care plan. He was appalled at how flawed and impossible it is. Requiring everybody to have health insurance?? How can we afford that? In fact, how can government afford it?? The only people who will get rich from this are health sector greedy people and certain politicians..... like Hillary.

I think it makes sense to abolish medicaid and income tax. All the government's gotta do is watch how they spend and enforce the contractors to "make do" with the price agreed upon. That is McCain's way. We all have heard of horrors like the budget exceeding beyond the original expectation by a gross margin. Cut the defense budget too.

 

[jillio]

you can do the math. My friend interned at Congress last year and he worked on analyzing Hillary Clinton's health care plan. He was appalled at how flawed and impossible it is. Requiring everybody to have health insurance?? How can we afford that? In fact, how can government afford it?? The only people who will get rich from this are health sector greedy people and certain politicians..... like Hillary.

I think it makes sense to abolish medicaid and income tax. All the government's gotta do is watch how they spend and enforce the contractors to "make do" with the price agreed upon. That is McCain's way. We all have heard of horrors like the budget exceeding beyond the original expectation by a gross margin. Cut the defense budget too.

Again, why won't it work? You keep saying it won't work, yet you cannot explain why it won't work. If you are so certain that a universal health care system wil not work, you must have a valid reason for having determined that it won't work. What is that reason?

 

[Foxrac]

Again, why won't it work? You keep saying it won't work, yet you cannot explain why it won't work. If you are so certain that a universal health care system wil not work, you must have a valid reason for having determined that it won't work. What is that reason?

Read my previous post on above, USA hasn't start universal health center in long decade ago, also funds aren't enough for existing tax system, I don't want tax goes up so quickly after adopt, get deal with it and we need find other way to do.

 

[Jiro]

Again, why won't it work? You keep saying it won't work, yet you cannot explain why it won't work. If you are so certain that a universal health care system wil not work, you must have a valid reason for having determined that it won't work. What is that reason?

uh.... I just explained it. read again. letter by letter. You can do the homework yourself since you're puzzled by Pacman & my posts. I'll give you a hint - "$110 Billion Question"

 

[Byrdie714]

uh.... I just explained it. read again. letter by letter. You can do the homework yourself since you're puzzled by Pacman & my posts. I'll give you a hint - "$110 Billion Question"

And yet we can spend that kind of money on a unjustifiable war, why not healthcare? :roll:

 

[Tousi]

I guess some are saying a universal health care plan won't work because the idea would not reduce costs. Without having delved into it, I betcha there's a buncha more reasons why it wouldn't work.

 

[Jiro]

And yet we can spend that kind of money on a unjustifiable war, why not healthcare? :roll:

it's not largely our money we spent on war. we borrowed money. that's why we're in deep shit (the national debt). we're now China's bitch What I'd like is them to cut defense budget. It's far too excessive! We don't need F-22 for another couple decades since rest of the world is far behind USA in terms of military technology and superiority.

 

[Royale]

Folks, I advise you not to go for an universal health care system or a socialist health care system I call it for several reasons.

1) It is eating a lot of your tax money.

2) Longer waiting lists for surgeries, chemotherapy, and so on.

3) Longer waiting times for emergency services

4) A lot of paperwork

5) Not cost effective. Some regional health care budgets are often run into red.

6) and many more...

Don't get me wrong because I already experienced in using both Canada's socialist health care system and American health care system. I like American health care system better than Canada's universal health care system.

Two weeks ago, I badly sprained my ankle and I went to the emergency services. I had to wait for three and a half to see the doctor. When I was at Gally, I had a severe ankle sprain. I only waited for 1 1/2 hour to see the emergency doctor at one of hospitals in D.C. See the difference?

Canada has some private medical clinics and they are better and much faster services than universal health care services. I used their services and I was happy with their services. My health insurance from my work covered 80 percent of my medical bills. Don't think that the private medical clinics for rich people only. They are for people who do not want to be on the waiting lists for specific services like surgeries too long. The private medical clinics require my universal health care card because the provincial government needs to keep and follow records for the department of Health and regional health care boards. In addition, I use my health insurance to cover 80 percent of drug and medical costs and the nice thing about them is I can use them to fill in my annual income tax to get some refunds.

There is one thing that you should look at: the insurance companies. The regulations for covering health bills on whether they approve or not should be changed so the insurance companies must pay 75 to 80 percent of all the medical bills which are imposed on people.

 

[Jiro]

in other word, "You get what you pay for." You're not getting what you pay for as you'd think in universal health care. I completely agree with you, Royale. It's important to have privatized medical cares as we have right now in USA to compete with each other. It's what drives the innovation and keeps the cost down (well we'll have to work on that issue). All we have to do is fix what we have now - it's more cost-effective and doable that way.... and certainly will be much more affordable for many.

 

[Royale]

it means taxes will take around 50% out of payroll for good paying job, or other methods that contain so higher tax, depends on how could work out.

It is not 50 percent that is taking out of my paycheck, FYI. It would bankrupt me if it were true.

Some percentage out of the income taxes which come from our paychecks goes into the health care costs.

 

[BradB08]

And yet we can spend that kind of money on a unjustifiable war, why not healthcare? :roll:

Because people are stupid and their priorities are fucked up.

 

[BradB08]

None of these so-called "arguments" against universal health care make sense. They're all the same regurgitated shit that I've heard from right-wingers.

 

[Royale]

None of these so-called "arguments" against universal health care make sense. They're all the same regurgitated shit that I've heard from right-wingers.

I am sorry to tell you that they are correct in some parts based on my experience in using both Canada's universal health care and American health care systems.

Of course, all Americans especially poor, elderly and disabled deserve to be provided with full insurance.

The problem is insurance companies. The Congress need to act to force them cover all medical and drug costs for all Americans with reasonable rates.

 

[jillio]

Read my previous post on above, USA hasn't start universal health center in long decade ago, also funds aren't enough for existing tax system, I don't want tax goes up so quickly after adopt, get deal with it and we need find other way to do.

Just because you don't want taxes to go up does not mean that it won't work. It simply means that you do not approve it because you don't want to contribute to it.

Likewise, funds that are currently being used for other social programs will become available when those programs are no longer necessary as a result of universal health care.

What would be your suggestion for "another way"?