Obama supporters?

[BradB08]

The government is already taking my money to support the Medicaid/Medicare health system so that others can go to the doctor and receive health care.

The fact of the matter is, everytime you go to the doctor and hand over your medical card, you can thank me for providing some of the funds to pay your bill.

That's true but he just doesn't seem to get it.

 

[Hwy99]

The government is already taking my money to support the Medicaid/Medicare health system so that others can go to the doctor and receive health care.

The fact of the matter is, everytime you go to the doctor and hand over your medical card, you can thank me for providing some of the funds to pay your bill.

I would love to thank you for paying the taxes, but I hope someday I will get off it and pay the taxes like you do.

However, as Jiro said, with the Universe Health Benefit, it will be worse.

 

[Hwy99]

That's true but he just doesn't seem to get it.

Read my reply to Jillio, so please don't jump and judge in the first place.

 

[jillio]

That's true but he just doesn't seem to get it.

Nor does it seem to be understood that because I work, and my taxes go to pay another's medical costs, my income is such that I can neither get free health care nor afford to be self insured. It's okay for me to support someone else at the expense of not being able to take care of my own needs.:roll:

And I have been paying taxes longer than many members of this forum have been alive.

 

[Hwy99]

This is a misleading information.

11% of healthcare insurance was being taken out of my monthly wage. It´s between 10% and 13% in different healthcare insurance companies in Germany.

I never heard that 50% tax out of monthly wage for healthcare.

Just my opinion, 10 to 13 percent off the paycheck just for health insurance is too much. Right now we only take like 10 percent off the paycheck for everything, not just the health insurance, but everything. If we do use the universe health benefit, it could be more higher than your percents.

 

[Hwy99]

Nor does it seem to be understood that because I work, and my taxes go to pay another's medical costs, my income is such that I can neither get free health care nor afford to be self insured. It's okay for me to support someone else at the expense of not being able to take care of my own needs.:roll:

And I have been paying taxes longer than many members of this forum have been alive.

Did you read my answer to your question last time?

 

[jillio]

Did you read my answer to your question last time?

Yes.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Folks, I advise you not to go for an universal health care system or a socialist health care system I call it for several reasons.

It doesn´t mean that an universal healthcare system or a socialist health care are the same in many countries what you experienced in Canada. I had been experienced the difference between UK, France & Germany healthcare (universal/socialist healthcare system). I prefer Germany to France and UK. My British friend experienced France and UK and prefer France over UK. Yes, they have universal/socialist healthcare system in many EU countries including France, Germany & UK but their system are different.

I notice some American ADers made misleading posts about waiting list, expensive taxes, etc... in many EU countries which is not true but I only know that there´re only UK who have the problem with healthcare... waiting list, etc... but not in France, Germany, and other EU countries... I don´t have any negative experience with universal/socialist healthcare system here in Germany... no once waiting list...

American´s positive healthcare experience in Germany to compare with US healthcare.

Most Patients Happy With German Health Care : NPR

1) It is eating a lot of your tax money.

To me, no.

2) Longer waiting lists for surgeries, chemotherapy, and so on.

My MIL was send to hospitail by gyn. straight way after discovered that she has breast cancer after check-up. Got surgery to remove her breast on next day and then chemotherapy..... It´s not just her but many people... I never heard about this here in Germany and many EU countries except UK.

My son had a head surgery after bicycle accident at 3 years ago. He was being transfered to head specialist clinic from clinic in my area straight way. He had head surgery and treatment... It cost a lot of money but my unlimited healthcare insurance cover it to 100%.

3) Longer waiting times for emergency services

No, we don´t have experience like that.

4) A lot of paperwork

We do not need a lot of paperwork but agreement contract for surgery preparation before surgery.

Don't get me wrong because I already experienced in using both Canada's socialist health care system and American health care system. I like American health care system better than Canada's universal health care system.

Yes I can understand that you experienced both Canada and America but it doesn´t mean that every univresal/socialist healthcare system are all the same because you have a bad experience. There´re many universal/socialist healthcare system in many EU countries but their system are different. It doesn´t mean that Obama would copy Canada´s or EU healthcare system when he plan for all Americans.

Two weeks ago, I badly sprained my ankle and I went to the emergency services. I had to wait for three and a half to see the doctor. When I was at Gally, I had a severe ankle sprain. I only waited for 1 1/2 hour to see the emergency doctor at one of hospitals in D.C. See the difference?

Well, I was in USA for holiday last year. I visited a friend at clinic with my good friend ADer. He had tumor and need it remove... It´s his first day in clinic... We met him and his interpreter at waiting room to prepare the bed for him... We were in waiting room for a long hours but it doesn´t bother me really because we chatted with him and his interpreter... to forget the time... it was around 4 hours to get a bed for him.

Canada has some private medical clinics and they are better and much faster services than universal health care services. I used their services and I was happy with their services. My health insurance from my work covered 80 percent of my medical bills. Don't think that the private medical clinics for rich people only. They are for people who do not want to be on the waiting lists for specific services like surgeries too long. The private medical clinics require my universal health care card because the provincial government needs to keep and follow records for the department of Health and regional health care boards. In addition, I use my health insurance to cover 80 percent of drug and medical costs and the nice thing about them is I can use them to fill in my annual income tax to get some refunds.

We do have private insurance here in Germany but it´s for the people who have over $4,000 monthly income. Healthcare insurance to be ogliate for all Germans with income limit up to $4,000. From $4,000, up to them to insure private insurances or join universal/socialist healthcare insurance. They have treatment at privately in the same clinic where we are..... but they have their own room... We (rich and poor people) get equal treatment by doctors and professor.

We have many different healthcare companies, we can look at cons/pros before join...

We universal/socialist healthcare insurers do have healthcare card... We do not need to know how much it cost, fill out, etc... all what they need is our healthcare card... that´s all.

Yes, me too. We collect the receipts of medical and drugs costs for annual income tax to get refunds.

I only try to explain you what I experience that it´s not all universal/socialist healthcare system are the same. It doesn´t mean that you might get waiting list because of that universal/socialist healthcare system...

Concordiensis - Guest Writer Abigail Pleeter compares U.S. to Europe

 

[Hwy99]

Yes.

Then you are the one who are confusing what I was trying to said.

We should fix our policy on our medicare because nobody deserve to be deny by it with a reason, like you. But we can't force them to have the medicare so we should just leave it at the counter opening to people if they want it or not.

Universe health benefit, too much change and nobody can turn it down. Like if I can't afford the universe health benefit then I will be arrested and be charged just because I didn't pay the universe health benefit? Sounds ridiculous?

Anyway, what I talked about fixing the medicare, that's why I told you I, personally, think it's wrong for them to deny you while you can't afford your own insurance and paying for other to have the insurance.

Now got it clear? I am not being ignorant here. I was just trying to respect the civil's rights, that's all.

 

[jillio]

Just my opinion, 10 to 13 percent off the paycheck just for health insurance is too much. Right now we only take like 10 percent off the paycheck for everything, not just the health insurance, but everything. If we do use the universe health benefit, it could be more higher than your percents.

Here is an example of tax deductions for someone making $8.00 an hour, based on 73.3 hours worked in a 14 day pay period with 1 exemption:

Gross wages: 588.00
City taxes -9.41
Federal WH tax -38.00
SS -36.46
Medicare tax -8.53
State tax -8.67
Net pay 486.93

That is a total deduction of 101.07, which is greater than 10%, and still does not provide insurance coverage for the individual.

BTW, these figures were taken from a pay stub from my son's summer job a couple of years ago. It would be even higher now.

 

[jillio]

Then you are the one who are confusing what I was trying to said.

We should fix our policy on our medicare because nobody deserve to be deny by it with a reason, like you. But we can't force them to have the medicare so we should just leave it at the counter opening to people if they want it or not.

Universe health benefit, too much change and nobody can turn it down. Like if I can't afford the universe health benefit then I will be arrested and be charged just because I didn't pay the universe health benefit? Sounds ridiculous?

Anyway, what I talked about fixing the medicare, that's why I told you I, personally, think it's wrong for them to deny you while you can't afford your own insurance and paying for other to have the insurance.

Now got it clear? I am not being ignorant here. I was just trying to respect the civil's rights, that's all.

And, I could be arrested and put in prison for refusing to pay the taxes that go toward paying for your medical costs. How do I have a choice?

 

[Hwy99]

Here is an example of tax deductions for someone making $8.00 an hour, based on 73.3 hours worked in a 14 day pay period with 1 exemption:

Gross wages: 588.00
City taxes -9.41
Federal WH tax -38.00
SS -36.46
Medicare tax -8.53
State tax -8.67
Net pay 486.93

That is a total deduction of 101.07, which is greater than 10%, and still does not provide insurance coverage for the individual.

BTW, these figures were taken from a pay stub from my son's summer job a couple of years ago. It would be even higher now.

And what if we have universe health benefit, it could be more higher!

 

[Hwy99]

And, I could be arrested and put in prison for refusing to pay the taxes that go toward paying for your medical costs. How do I have a choice?

I think you need to re-read my post. You are missing something from this post.

 

[jillio]

And what if we have universe health benefit, it could be more higher!

But at least he would have health care available to him. As it stands, he was penalized for working.

 

[jillio]

I think you need to re-read my post. You are missing something from this post.

I don't think I am missing anything. You keep saying people should have a choice whether to participate in a health care plan or not. I don't have a choice about paying taxes that support the Medicaid/Medicare system, even though I do not receive benefit from it, and neither does any other working individual.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Just my opinion, 10 to 13 percent off the paycheck just for health insurance is too much. Right now we only take like 10 percent off the paycheck for everything, not just the health insurance, but everything. If we do use the universe health benefit, it could be more higher than your percents.

Sorry, I have to correct my previous post because I forget about my hubby. My hubby paid 5,5% and I paid 5,5% to same healthcare company total to 11%. To me, it´s not much because it´s unlimited healthcare insurance and also have family as well. We have everything what we need from healthcare, like spa, massage, etc. You pay less than 5,5% if you are a single with no children. There´re many different healthcare companies around Germany who offer different % from 10% to 13% for family... for a single less than 5,5%.....

Healthcare insurance, unemployment insurance, Nursing care insurance, tax, solidary tax, pension insurance are being taken out of my monthly wage but I still have no problem with that.

 

[Jiro]

But at least he would have health care available to him. As it stands, he was penalized for working.

I think it's better to say..... at least he should have MORE AFFORDABLE health care available to him. That is more realistic and doable to change our health care system. Universal Health Care will not going to work... not for A LONG TIME. Explain all the math you want... nobody wants to pay high tax. It's "un-American" and a political suicide for any candidate.

Your son was paying 1.5% (or $8.53) for medicaid tax. Assuming it's 5.5% for Medicaid Tax based on what Liebling paid for.... well that's not really gonna work well for Americans, right?

Abolish income taxes, increase Social Security Tax, adjust our federal tax to variation of progressive & flat taxes (this means rich people have to pay more than currently).... that should be good. I can live with that.

 

[Hwy99]

I don't think I am missing anything. You keep saying people should have a choice whether to participate in a health care plan or not. I don't have a choice about paying taxes that support the Medicaid/Medicare system, even though I do not receive benefit from it, and neither does any other working individual.

You have been kept rely on my politics POV, and missing that I was saying that the medicare shouldn't deny anyone with a reason. Re-read my post, please.

Sorry, I have to correct my previous post because I forget about my hubby. My hubby paid 5,5% and I paid 5,5% to same healthcare company total to 11%. To me, it´s not much because it´s unlimited healthcare insurance and also have family as well. We have everything what we need from healthcare, like spa, massage, etc. You pay less than 5,5% if you are a single with no children. There´re many different healthcare companies around Germany who offer different % from 10% to 13% for family... for a single less than 5,5%.....

Healthcare insurance, unemployment insurance, Nursing care insurance, tax, solidary tax, pension insurance are being taken out of my monthly wage but I still have no problem with that.

Ohh okay, I got it. Thank you for explanation, but if that add to our taxes in USA, then it would be higher.

 

[jillio]

I think it's better to say..... at least he should have MORE AFFORDABLE health care available to him. That is more realistic and doable to change our health care system. Universal Health Care will not going to work... not for A LONG TIME. Explain all the math you want... nobody wants to pay high tax. It's "un-American" and a political suicide for any candidate.

Your son was paying 1.5% (or $8.53) for medicaid tax. Assuming it's 5.5% for Medicaid Tax based on what Liebling paid for.... well that's not really gonna work well for Americans, right?

Abolish income taxes, increase Social Security Tax, adjust our federal tax to variation of progressive & flat taxes (this means rich people have to pay more than currently).... that should be good. I can live with that.

Liebling paid 5.5% for unlimited health care for herself and her family. My son paid 1.5% for someone else's health care, and had none of his own. That's the fact that you seem to be ignoring.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I know we agree mostly in several debate posts in the past but I disagree with your post here... It doesn´t mean that I hurt or upset you when I disagree with you.... What´s debate for...

Yes I am getting what you try to explain us about but Jillo is right that workers/employers work to pay tax for SSI, medicard, etc.

Universe health benefit, too much change and nobody can turn it down. Like if I can't afford the universe health benefit then I will be arrested and be charged just because I didn't pay the universe health benefit? Sounds ridiculous?

Anyway, what I talked about fixing the medicare, that's why I told you I, personally, think it's wrong for them to deny you while you can't afford your own insurance and paying for other to have the insurance.

Accord EU countries, you do not need to pay universe healthcare IF you are out of work but you need to focus US universe healthcare what Obama plan for all Americans... what if they are out of work?

Now got it clear? I am not being ignorant here. I was just trying to respect the civil's rights, that's all.

No, you are not ignorant but that´s just you beleive differently.