Man won't submit to security, TSA won't let him fly. Who's right?

methinks you're only interested in trolling :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
*shrug* Seems that you have no problem with bending over for government :dunno:
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In the past few years, I've met more people who think that allowing their rights as Americans to be taken away makes them "patriotic" and "against them there terrists" than I care to count. The TSA and thugs like them only continue to work because Americans are, largely, content to roll over and spread 'em when Uncle Sam says that it's "patriotic" and to save them from "the muslims!!!!!".
 
Jiro said:
then you are subjected to a civil suit and a $10,000 fine :cool2:
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No....because it wasn't required.


If you read the update it is actually an $11,000 fine. They raised it. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Sounds like this guy caused quite a scene.
 
TXgolfer said:
No....because it wasn't required.


If you read the update it is actually an $11,000 fine. They raised it. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Sounds like this guy caused quite a scene.
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But Tyner isn't the only one with concerns about the new security procedures.

Grass-roots groups are urging travelers either not to fly or to protest by opting out of the full-body scanners and undergoing time-consuming pat-downs instead.

Industry leaders are worried about the backlash. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano met with leaders of travel industry groups to discuss the concerns.

"We certainly understand the challenges that DHS confronts, but the question remains, where do we draw the line? Our country desperately needs a long-term vision for aviation security screening, rather than an endless reaction to yesterday's threat," the U.S. Travel Association said in a statement after the meeting. "At the same time, fundamental American values must be protected."

During a press conference in which Napolitano announced the expansion of a security awareness campaign, she also reiterated the need for hand searches should a passenger decline electronic screening.

"If you refuse the [Advanced Imaging Technology] altogether, then you can go to a separate area for a same-gender pat down," she told reporters on Monday. "If there are adjustments we need to make as we move forward, we have an open ear," she said. "We will listen."
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good!
 
...Even one of the nation's most celebrated pilots, Capt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger, has detected the growing unease.

"The fundamental reason is that airline pilots are already the last line of defense for anyone who poses a threat to the airplane," said the soft-spoken Sullenberger, who successfully ditched his US Airways plane in the Hudson River last year after it struck birds during takeoff. "We are -- and would like to be considered -- trusted partners in that important security mission."

...Many pilots say requiring them to go through security is ridiculous.

One 20-year airline pilot, Patrick Smith, recalled once being stopped and questioned because he had a butter knife in a bag.

"If a pilot like me is going to be up to no good, why would he need a butter knife?" he said. "I'm in control of the entire airplane!"

Walsh argued that it sends a disturbing message to passengers for them to see pilots being searched.

"They must think, `This is the guy flying the plane. If you can't trust the pilot who can you trust?"' he said.

Capt. John Prater, head of the Air Line Pilots Association, noted pilots are already subject to FBI background checks. Prater said that based on discussions with TSA officials Monday he was hopeful the agency will soon approve a "crew pass" system that would allow flight attendants and pilots to undergo less stringent screenings.

Some pilots also are concerned about possible health risks from low-level radiation emitted by the body machines.

Sullenberger, who recently retired, said pilots are exposed to more radiation because they fly at altitudes where the atmosphere doesn't fully block harmful rays.

"So, for those of us who are already exposed to many times more radiation than those who work on the ground, it is of concern to us that we are exposed even in small amounts to additional, what we consider unnecessary radiation exposure," he said.

Sullenberger said he hasn't heard of studies addressing those potential health risks, but he said, "Absent the data, I think we need to err on the side of caution."
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Pilots Dismayed at Airport Scanners, Pat-Downs - FoxNews.com
 
Here's the key:

"...Waiting to board a flight at Los Angeles International Airport on Monday, Mark Spritzler said he, for one, accepted that scanners were a necessary inconvenience.

"It makes me feel safer flying," Spritzler said...."

Pilots Dismayed at Airport Scanners, Pat-Downs - FoxNews.com

The scans and body checks make passengers FEEL more secure; that's not the same as actually BEING more secure.

The security is perception, not reality.
 
Reba said:
The scans and body checks make passengers FEEL more secure; that's not the same as actually BEING more secure.

The security is perception, not reality.
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False sense of security. Yep.
 
TXgolfer said:
:dunno:
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Outside of my town in Alamogordo, NM on two different highways going south and west there are two checkpoints where each and every vehicles get stopped, and if necessary ask drivers to get out so they can check the car, the drivers, passengers and anything that's being transported. Nobody seems to mind that....except those that get caught violating the law.
 
Reba said:
Here's the key:

"...Waiting to board a flight at Los Angeles International Airport on Monday, Mark Spritzler said he, for one, accepted that scanners were a necessary inconvenience.

"It makes me feel safer flying," Spritzler said...."

Pilots Dismayed at Airport Scanners, Pat-Downs - FoxNews.com

The scans and body checks make passengers FEEL more secure; that's not the same as actually BEING more secure.

The security is perception, not reality.
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Like I said before ... we can't have pilots taking complete control of the plane!

ummm .. wait ... :eek3:

:giggle:
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70P_UW5VwWY]YouTube - Airline Attack Highlights Israel's Security Success[/ame]
Click on main YouTube video to use the CC. The person talking in the background has a clear voice and the CC is pretty good. Except when two Israeli's were interviewed you might get the gist of what they're saying because of their thick Israeli accent.

Behavior profiling and technology are the best two weapons in their fight against terrorism at airports and on airplanes. It has a near perfect record for some time now.

In the past they tried physical profiling but when a bunch of Japanese terrorists succeeded at the airport the security people had to change their approach and that is through a layer of "check points" where behavior profiling is the first step.
 
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